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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 23:30:12 GMT
Best Actor in partnership with Ambassador Theatre Group
Andrew Garfield Angels in America (National Theatre)
Natasha Richardson Award for Best Actress in partnership with Christian Louboutin
Glenda Jackson King Lear (Old Vic)
Best Musical Performance
Amber Riley Dreamgirls (Savoy Theatre)
Best Play in partnership with Hiscox, official arts partner of the Evening Standard
The Ferryman Jez Butterworth (Royal Court Theatre & Gielgud Theatre)
Milton Shulman Award for Best Director
Sam Mendes The Ferryman (Royal Court Theatre & Gielgud Theatre)
Best Design
Bunny Christie Heisenberg: The Uncertainty Principle (Wyndham’s Theatre), The Red Barn (National Theatre), Ink (Almeida Theatre and Duke of York’s Theatre)
Charles Wintour Award for Most Promising Playwright
Branden Jacobs-Jenkins An Octoroon (Orange Tree Theatre)
Emerging Talent Award
Tom Glynn-Carney The Ferryman (Royal Court Theatre & Gielgud Theatre)
Evening Standard Radio 2 Audience Award for Best Musical
Bat out of Hell - The Musical (Coliseum)
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Dec 4, 2017 1:18:55 GMT
V much enjoyed actors freely slagging off the Old Vic and even the Evening Standard itself.
And there's always a certain level of schadenfreudastic joy in seeing an actor you hate lose an award to someone you know they hate. (If there was an emoji for petty what would it be?)
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Post by lonlad on Dec 4, 2017 1:44:57 GMT
>>The Evening Standard is owned by a Russian Olegarth. I don't think he is short of cash.
Wow. No sense whatsoever of how contemporary journalism works. Your naivete is very touching.
OLIGARCH fyi.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 1:58:48 GMT
I'll be the one to say it, Janie Dee (in my opinion) should of won over Amber in the musical catagory.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 4, 2017 8:34:27 GMT
And there's always a certain level of schadenfreudastic joy in seeing an actor you hate lose an award to someone you know they hate. (If there was an emoji for petty what would it be?) Who and who? |
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Post by dani on Dec 4, 2017 9:37:56 GMT
This must mean either Bertie Carvel or Andrew Scott doesn't care for Andrew Garfield.
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Post by dani on Dec 4, 2017 9:39:28 GMT
I'll be the one to say it, Janie Dee (in my opinion) should of won over Amber in the musical catagory. For me, this only goes to show how subjective these things are, as I thought Janie Dee was far from being the best person in Follies and I was surprised to see her in the category at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 9:41:02 GMT
Not necessarily, a lot of people use "actor" as a gender neutral (in the same way no one says "doctress", for example). Perhaps Laura Donnelly has beef with Glenda Jackson, or Robert Fairchild doesn't get on with Amber Riley, or there's an unknown yet intense feud between Sheila Atim and Tom Glynn-Carney.  |
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Post by crowblack on Dec 4, 2017 9:56:17 GMT
The winners seem to be in or from continuing shows. Yes. I didn't watch but assumed An Octoroon would win over the fantastic Wish List (which I was rooting for) because the latter was way back last January and An Octoroon is transferring to the NT. |
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Post by jaqs on Dec 4, 2017 10:02:08 GMT
The beat actor award sponsored by ATG, best actress award sponsored by expensive shoes.
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Post by crowblack on Dec 4, 2017 10:04:35 GMT
a lot of people use "actor" as a gender neutral The thing is, though, it isn't. 'Actor' has centuries of male baggage attached, and I find something peculiarly self-hating about those women who feel the use of the traditionally female term "actress" is somehow inferior. Why? Because it's associated with women? I think - in an era when the language around race and sexuality is constantly shifting for political reasons, a gender-neutral term like performer or player should be used rather than women feeling the need to shed the female term. I dislike the terms Miss and Mrs and have always used Ms., but the 'actor' thing is a bit like women wanting to call themselves Mr and claiming it's progressive, when in fact it feels more like an erasure at a time when the treatment, specifically, of women by a still overwhelmingly male-dominated industry is still a major issue. |
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Post by dani on Dec 4, 2017 10:40:36 GMT
a lot of people use "actor" as a gender neutral The thing is, though, it isn't. 'Actor' has centuries of male baggage attached, and I find something peculiarly self-hating about those women who feel the use of the traditionally female term "actress" is somehow inferior. Why? Because it's associated with women? I think - in an era when the language around race and sexuality is constantly shifting for political reasons, a gender-neutral term like performer or player should be used rather than women feeling the need to shed the female term. I dislike the terms Miss and Mrs and have always used Ms., but the 'actor' thing is a bit like women wanting to call themselves Mr and claiming it's progressive, when in fact it feels more like an erasure at a time when the treatment, specifically, of women by a still overwhelmingly male-dominated industry is still a major issue. Denise Gough has been trying to reclaim the word "actress" from its current position in the journalistic sin bin. Personally I'm more interested in not being abused or patronised than whether I am called an actress or an actor. I accept that many people use the word "actor" neutrally, but where someone's talking about an awards ceremony where the acting categories are denominated Best Actor and Best Actress it's not very surprising to make the inference I did. Maybe Robert Fairchild really doesn't like Amber Riley, or whatever, but somehow I suspect this is about Garfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 10:46:19 GMT
Ooooh, who hates Andrew Garfield? Are they jealous about his lovely hair? I know I am.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 10:54:15 GMT
Ooooh, who hates Andrew Garfield? Are they jealous about his lovely hair? I know I am. We all are darling, we all are. (Though mine in it's current state of needing the chop resembles his quiff somewhat) Anyway I'm proud of my baby Prophet, who also had some lovely words to say in his speech. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 11:48:01 GMT
I found Garfield's speech horribly toe-curling. Earnest luvvie overload!
He was, however, in my mind anyway, a worthy winner of the award.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:19:59 GMT
I found Garfield's speech horribly toe-curling. Earnest luvvie overload! He was, however, in my mind anyway, a worthy winner of the award. Perhaps. Lovely hair though. How does he get that quiff so pouffy?  Nice that Glenda turned up to pick up her award too. She didn't bother for either Oscar so she must have fancied a night out to show off her lovely Labour red coat.  |
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Post by kathryn on Dec 4, 2017 12:19:59 GMT
a lot of people use "actor" as a gender neutral The thing is, though, it isn't. 'Actor' has centuries of male baggage attached, and I find something peculiarly self-hating about those women who feel the use of the traditionally female term "actress" is somehow inferior. Why? Because it's associated with women? Uhm, I think it's because it was associated with prostitution, especially when placed within quotation marks. Not that I'm suggesting that is what you were doing there, it's just the reason that I've seen given for women preferring to use actor. It all goes back to the centuries of baggage attached to women on the stage... |
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Post by crowblack on Dec 4, 2017 12:59:55 GMT
It all goes back to the centuries of baggage attached to women on the stage... I suspect that in those days male actors were probably considered sexually available too, but that wasn't spoken of so publicly. And even so - which really hasn't been a mental association for at least a century - all the more reason to reclaim it, as words like 'queer' have been reclaimed from derogatory use into something empowering. Regarding the usage in places like the Guardian and BBC, I think they should respect what a woman chooses to call herself and/or adopt a gender neutral term like performer, but the Guardian even went so far as to change a quotation from Maggie Smith in a headline which was very specifically about the bad treatment of women in the industry, not women and men. |
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Post by kathryn on Dec 4, 2017 13:08:59 GMT
Well, yes, the Gruan is a law unto itself, and rarely sensible. I don't think the association is quite as dead as you think, or there wouldn't be women citing it as a reason for preferring 'actor'. Perhaps that is connected to the attitudes that have come to light from the likes of Weinstein et al. And as we've seen, the idea that actors are in some way sexually 'available' - at least to those in positions of power - has not been limited to women actors. But these perceptions/attitudes are often not entirely reality-based.... Anyway, this is a tangent - I still want to know who samuelwhiskers dislikes so much! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 13:12:17 GMT
so far as to change a quotation from Maggie Smith in a headline I think you mean a bannerline. Headline discriminates against people without heads. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 21:18:59 GMT
I am not happy with the Brandon Fraser Jacobs win. I would have preferred that award to go to Inua Williams for Barbershop Chronicles, supporting emerging British talent.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 4, 2017 21:44:02 GMT
I was there, guest of a friend. Garfield’s speech was insincere and pompous. I didn’t realise we had a mind reader on the board! You may think he is pompous, but you can’t possibly know how sincere his speech was unless you have some special power. |
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Post by lynette on Dec 4, 2017 22:16:37 GMT
Can I see the Hare tribute to Peter Hall anywhere?
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Post by tributary on Dec 4, 2017 23:00:53 GMT
I was there, guest of a friend. Garfield’s speech was insincere and pompous. I didn’t realise we had a mind reader on the board! You may think he is pompous, but you can’t possibly know how sincere his speech was unless you have some special power. No, you’re quite right. Particularly when posting on a theatre message board, I should have remembered that tone, facial expression, commitment, conviction and words chosen mean nothing, and can’t ever be used to judge sincerity. |
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Post by kathryn on Dec 4, 2017 23:37:22 GMT
Sincerity is entirely an experience of the individual - only Andrew knows if he believes what he was saying or not.
Particularly on a theatre messageboard, you should understand that your interpretation of what an actor is conveying is as much about how you read their presentation as about what they are actually feeling.
It is ridiculous to criticise an actor as insincere. The most you can do is criticise their presentation of sincerity as unconvincing. Sincerity isn’t always necessarily convincing, because there’s a difference between knowing something is how you truly feel and making an effort to convince people that it is how you truly feel.
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