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Post by crowblack on May 2, 2019 22:23:28 GMT
Cersei won't need an elephant a mouse ought to do it. A sea battle, with added dragons? Or dragon, not sure if both survived. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 3, 2019 6:43:57 GMT
Both dragons (and Ghost) survived the battle (and are featured in the episode 4 trailer)
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Post by peggs on May 3, 2019 8:13:47 GMT
We're thinking at least one is going to get shot though aren't we or is all that focus on giant bow in opener a red herring. One at least appears to have large hole in wing.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 3, 2019 8:53:45 GMT
Other than hoping Cersei dies in a painful and slow way, I have no real clue as to how all of this will wrap up.
Which is exciting - I will just take it as it comes and hope for some decent twists
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Post by crowblack on May 3, 2019 9:26:34 GMT
at least one is going to get shot Maybe takes out Cersei in wounded Kamikaze dive on palace (or the incredibly annoying Urine in dive on battleship) |
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Post by peggs on May 3, 2019 9:32:08 GMT
Yes Cersei can't go quickly surely. And she'd totally want to do a dying spitting fury speech.
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Post by crowblack on May 3, 2019 17:21:14 GMT
She might go like Ned Stark (not as quietly though) . |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 6, 2019 6:11:20 GMT
That was a slow build (with some very fast travel times for some people) but a couple of big pay off moments.
Still can't see how it is going to play out - which is how I like things
Felt genuine emotion a couple of times - Gendry, Brienne and Ghost
The events at Dragonstone - did not see that coming
Cersei deserves to suffer - long, drawn out pain. Let's hope it happens soon.
Trailer for episode 5 doesn't give much away... next week looks like it will have more action
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Post by peggs on May 6, 2019 8:36:43 GMT
So Dragon fall out as expected and we knew happy couples were never going to be allowed to last. That's twice their ships have been ambushed, luck, skill or is their a mole?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 6, 2019 16:22:08 GMT
That was a slow build (with some very fast travel times for some people) but a couple of big pay off moments. Still can't see how it is going to play out - which is how I like things Felt genuine emotion a couple of times - Gendry, Brienne and Ghost The events at Dragonstone - did not see that coming Cersei deserves to suffer - long, drawn out pain. Let's hope it happens soon. Trailer for episode 5 doesn't give much away... next week looks like it will have more action Cersei's going to win the game of thrones |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 6, 2019 16:29:51 GMT
That wouldn't be bittersweet...
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Post by 49thand8th on May 6, 2019 20:03:54 GMT
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Post by crowblack on May 6, 2019 21:33:08 GMT
Will Sansa end up with a 7 Kingdoms Brexit for the North?
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Post by jadnoop on May 6, 2019 21:34:24 GMT
Sadly, it feels like Game of Thrones is ending in a similar way to another recent HBO powerhouse; The Wire. By no means bad -this might be a great season in another show- but as the culmination of a fantastic decade-long story this feels a bit rushed and ultimately a little unsatisfying. For most of the previous series it's felt like characters' actions were the result of their acting on their own motivations and self interest which has made the story feel so unpredictable and exciting; this season the primary driver for many seems to be to serve the mechanics of the overall plot. Still, I'm still largely enjoying it and holding out hope that this all comes together.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:47:12 GMT
The best thing about season 5 of The Wire is I got to a point where I was thinking "hmm, we haven't seen Prez for a while, I wonder what he's been up to", and then he popped up at the end and it turned out he'd been spending the entire season just growing a beard.
I honestly think the writers are losing their grip on this season. Like, they know what needs to happen, but it's coming over more like a child breathlessly recounting his day at school - "and then we did this and then it was playtime and then I ate an apple but then a bigger boy hit me but then Miss told the bigger boy off and then we went to the library and then" - than a cohesive narrative at this point. Also, they are giving the fans a LOT of what they want, and it's not that I'm not enjoying the fanservice, but it's really very much not the same show it was back in the beginning.
Also, can we talk about Jon telling Sam that he's his best friend he ever had, while Ghost was standing RIGHT THERE? And then he didn't even say goodbye to Ghost? Dogs may be man's best friend, but I guess direwolves are just man's disposal plaything...
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Post by peggs on May 7, 2019 8:54:35 GMT
Shouldn't have dumped him for a dragon.
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Post by crowblack on May 7, 2019 9:04:45 GMT
There were some vey daft scenes - Bronn able to get into Winterfell with his crossbow (no guards at all now?), and Daenerys and co standing in front of KIng's Landing's gates where Cersei could have just killed the lot of them, job done. And Dragontone - why did the pirates shoot them, then disappear rather than finish the job?
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 7, 2019 9:19:30 GMT
I am just letting all this wash over me. It will be what it will be - never having got beyond the first few chapters of book one, I am not concerned about it being faithful to the source material.
Yes, people are moving round Westeros with enormous speed, Cersei's pregnancy is the longest in medical history (and she should be huge by now - considering how long it has been since she told ber brother that he would be a father again)
But it is still well made television - massive scale, great production values, entertaining.
There are inconsistencies - but that is true of pretty much every show to some extent. Take it for what it is and just enjoy it!
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Post by viserys on May 7, 2019 9:25:22 GMT
There were some vey daft scenes - Bronn able to get into Winterfell with his crossbow (no guards at all now?), and Daenerys and co standing in front of KIng's Landing's gates where Cersei could have just killed the lot of them, job done. And Dragontone - why did the pirates shoot them, then disappear rather than finish the job? I think they were out of range of Cersei's archers, so there was nothing she could have done. Given how little love Cersei has shown for Tyrion over the years, it was just monumentally stupid of him to walk INTO the archers' range to try and appeal to her better senses (yea right). I think the pirates' aim was to take the dragons out with the big crossbows mounted on the ships. The dragons being Dany's by far most dangerous and effective weapon. Again, monumental stupidity, this time by Dany - why didn't she torch the pirates' fleet with her dragon from above? Poor Rhaegal. First Ghost is sent off with one ear missing and not as much as a hug, then Rhaegal is shot down. Jon Snow is the worst pet owner in Westeros, can't trust him with as much as a hamster. |
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Post by asfound on May 7, 2019 9:32:35 GMT
It's getting harder and harder to defend the writing that's for sure. The showrunners really should have agreed to HBO's request for two ten episode seasons to finish the story off. Then maybe we wouldn't have to keep cutting away to disguise the lacking writing (Tyrion and Bran discussion, Jon revealing his heritage, Tyrion get hit by the mast, Euron just abandoning the sea battle and teleporting to King's Landing, new prince of Dorne, Bronn and others acting out of character etc).
But the biggest issue for me is how many pointless characters were kept alive seemingly for no reason whatsoever. I defended episode 3 and it's magical main characters all surviving trope because I thought they might play an important role. But Tormund, Ghost, Davos, Pod, Missandei (sure she was captured but that could have been anyone) and Bronn seem to have no real part to play anymore.
Still, two to go, keep expectations low and even if it doesn't go out with the bang I hoped for it should still be a fun spectacle if nothing else. Hopefully GRRM has given them something good to work with.
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Post by orchidman on May 7, 2019 12:34:02 GMT
It's almost unbelievable how quickly the show has jumped off a cliff. There were 4 great series, up there with the best ever. Then series 5 and 6 stupid stuff started happening more and more but it was still very good TV. Series 7 was worse again, undoubtedly trash TV, but entertaining trash and you could forgive them if they were focusing on setting things up for the last series.
Then this series opens with 2 pointless setup episodes, at least they weren't actively terrible, just not a good sign when it's a six episode series. Episode 3 ridiculously bad, Episode 4 somehow even worse, stupidity absolutely off the scale, characters acting out of character and having dropped about half their IQ, complete discontinuity with established norms.
One of the show runners said of the dragon getting ambushed: "While Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron's forces, they certainly haven't forgotten about her."
Unreal.
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Post by crowblack on May 7, 2019 13:44:10 GMT
complete discontinuity with established norms. But they've lost most of their guiding figures and we're down to a core of increasingly isolated, mostly young characters whose extreme and uncompromising drives aren't tempered by wisdom. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 7, 2019 13:45:49 GMT
It's almost unbelievable how quickly the show has jumped off a cliff. There were 4 great series, up there with the best ever. Then series 5 and 6 stupid stuff started happening more and more but it was still very good TV. Series 7 was worse again, undoubtedly trash TV, but entertaining trash and you could forgive them if they were focusing on setting things up for the last series. Then this series opens with 2 pointless setup episodes, at least they weren't actively terrible, just not a good sign when it's a six episode series. Episode 3 ridiculously bad, Episode 4 somehow even worse, stupidity absolutely off the scale, characters acting out of character and having dropped about half their IQ, complete discontinuity with established norms. One of the show runners said of the dragon getting ambushed: "While Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron's forces, they certainly haven't forgotten about her." Unreal. I wonder why you are still watching - as you don't seem to be deriving any pleasure from it. Yes, there are flaws - but I can look beyond that and just enjoy it for what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 13:54:40 GMT
One of my defining personality traits is that I am not a quitter. If I set myself to run the London Marathon, for instance, although my feet would be bleeding and I would be nine hours behind the leaders, I would FINISH the damn race. I am, however, a whiner, and would be visibly and audibly sad the entire way round. So I completely understand why someone would choose to finish a TV show, having invested this much time in it so far and with the end so close you can taste it, even while being disappointed that said show has gone off the boil.
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Post by orchidman on May 7, 2019 14:11:30 GMT
I could still enjoy the previous series, it's the last two episodes which have totally killed it. And now after 71 episodes there are only 2 episodes left so of course I am going to see it out. And I have quite a few friends who watch it, none of whom think it's good any more, so it makes for entertaining conversation.
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