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Post by peggs on May 7, 2019 19:31:52 GMT
Heck I felt a bit bad for Dany, though of course it isn't her whose paid with her life yet. She certainly looks like she's going to go full mad dragon queen but there she is sat at a wake/party at Winterfell and no one wanted to hang out with her, Sansa points out reasonable things but does so it the most 'you are very stupid, I will speak to you like you're a child' way and everyone's looking at her lover like he's way more the host of the party.
I think Varys is going to get burnt, i'd want those conversations they keep having somewhere you def can't be overheard. And Cersei gosh I love to hate her but is she going to be allowed to do anything, she's been looking out of walls looking smug what seems like ages now?!
Really can't see how they're going to wrap this all up but ohhh the anticipation is exciting.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 7, 2019 19:47:15 GMT
It's almost unbelievable how quickly the show has jumped off a cliff. There were 4 great series, up there with the best ever. Then series 5 and 6 stupid stuff started happening more and more but it was still very good TV. Series 7 was worse again, undoubtedly trash TV, but entertaining trash and you could forgive them if they were focusing on setting things up for the last series. Then this series opens with 2 pointless setup episodes, at least they weren't actively terrible, just not a good sign when it's a six episode series. Episode 3 ridiculously bad, Episode 4 somehow even worse, stupidity absolutely off the scale, characters acting out of character and having dropped about half their IQ, complete discontinuity with established norms. One of the show runners said of the dragon getting ambushed: "While Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron's forces, they certainly haven't forgotten about her." Unreal. Behave softlad |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 21:14:04 GMT
If I set myself to run the London Marathon, for instance, although my feet would be bleeding and I would be nine hours behind the leaders, I would FINISH the damn race. I am, however, a whiner, and would be visibly and audibly sad the entire way round. Anyone else prepared to risk the whining to see the proof? If we set up a "Just Giving" page now and apply for the forms for @baemax... The key phrase there, of course, is "if I set myself". Let's respect a woman's sovereignty over her own body, and we won't have to have an awkward conversation about consent.  |
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Post by kathryn on May 8, 2019 10:43:47 GMT
Cersei's pregnancy is the longest in medical history (and she should be huge by now - considering how long it has been since she told ber brother that he would be a father again) No way Cersei is actually pregnant. She is using the suggestion that she is to manipulate people the men around her. Finally someone uttered the obvious solution to the Jon and Dany problem - the one that would have immediately sprung to mind in the middle ages - just marry them! You don't even need them to actually like each other - which they weirdly still seem to - a political marriage to make the alliance with the North binding would be enough. That *is* how the actual Wars of the Roses ended. There's even examples of historical avuncular marriages among European royalty, so their degree of relationship shouldn't really be considered a barrier - particularly with sister-brother incest a royal custom in recent memory. This absolutely standard solution to the 'problem' was waved away far too easily by everyone - it should be the first thing springing to everyone's mind, even if they didn't know that Jon has a claim to the throne in his own right. . |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 10:48:01 GMT
Several characters have been talking about a Jon/Dany marriage since at least the second episode of this season, if not the first. The problem isn't so much "who's going to rule" though, as it is that Jon currently has the greatest right to the throne and Dany actually *wants* the throne. We've seen enough fragility in monarch consorts in real life cases that merely being "queen who is married to the king and is also ruling" probably isn't going to be sufficient to Dany's need to be The Queen. She has latent tyranny issues.
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Post by viserys on May 8, 2019 10:57:56 GMT
Several characters have been talking about a Jon/Dany marriage since at least the second episode of this season, if not the first. The problem isn't so much "who's going to rule" though, as it is that Jon currently has the greatest right to the throne and Dany actually *wants* the throne. We've seen enough fragility in monarch consorts in real life cases that merely being "queen who is married to the king and is also ruling" probably isn't going to be sufficient to Dany's need to be The Queen. She has latent tyranny issues.That's putting it mildly  Personally I've decided that Dany and Cersei will tear each other to shreds in the next episode, then Sansa will saunter through the smouldering ruins of King's Landing to put herself on the throne with Tyrion at her side, while Jon, who doesn't want to rule, will be installed as Warden of the North. Sadly it's such a neat happy ending that I'm sure it won't happen. |
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Post by sparky5000 on May 8, 2019 11:07:34 GMT
Just anyone but Jon Snow on the iron throne please! He’s the most useless ineffective character ever, and has only ever made terrible decisions that have gotten lots of people killed. It’s all very well being honourable, but that doesn’t make you someone who’s capable of ruling! Sorry, I just think he’s the worst 😄
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Post by crowblack on May 8, 2019 11:09:11 GMT
Sansa will saunter through the smouldering ruins of King's Landing to put herself on the throne with Tyrion at her side I'd like that, but she seems quite Brexity and not interested in the Seven Kingdoms either. I saw Kit Harrington's comments about it getting Shakespearian and the remaining lead characters are getting increasingly isolated and lost in their own bubbles of ambition, vengeance, paranoia etc. |
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Post by MrsCondomine on May 8, 2019 11:53:45 GMT
Crown Brienne! Crown her now!
#KingBrienne
#yasgirl
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Post by MrsCondomine on May 8, 2019 11:56:39 GMT
Stuff that is not going to happen:
- A marriage between Jon and Dany. Incest kicked the entire show off in the first place, and it's been said SEVERAL times that everyone except the Targaryens find it to be an abomination
- King Jon. He's useless.
- Queen Dany. She's clearly not stable and should probably be dispatched to join Hot Eyeliner Husband in the Nightlands.
- Arya surviving (she is definitely going to take out Cersei though)
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Post by crowblack on May 8, 2019 12:20:14 GMT
We might get Queen Dany, but not for long. Arya surviving (she is definitely going to take out Cersei though) I thought she might, maybe even using Jaime's face, but to have her kill both major baddies in this series is plotwise a bit unlikely now. I think Jaime will do it, or die trying. I do think she might put an injured Hound out of his misery, if we get the Hound vs Mountain showdown. |
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Post by kathryn on May 8, 2019 12:51:26 GMT
Several characters have been talking about a Jon/Dany marriage since at least the second episode of this season, if not the first. The problem isn't so much "who's going to rule" though, as it is that Jon currently has the greatest right to the throne and Dany actually *wants* the throne. We've seen enough fragility in monarch consorts in real life cases that merely being "queen who is married to the king and is also ruling" probably isn't going to be sufficient to Dany's need to be The Queen. She has latent tyranny issues. Well of course it wouldn’t *work* - this is Game of Thrones we’re talking about - but it should be something that a hell of a lot more characters in-show are pushing for. Sansa and the other Northern Lords should be pushing for it. It’s how dynastic politics have worked in the Seven Kingdoms since forever. It appeals to the sexism of the society in general. And it should be fairly tempting to a pair of characters who have been smitten with each other. Particularly before Rhaegal died when the pair of them were riding dragons together - the romantic symbolism of it should have been irresistible. The reality of it can be all sorts of conflict and power struggle, and particular Dany becoming more tyrannous and unbalanced as people default to obeying Jon’s authority rather than her. But it should *seem* like the perfect, neat solution to the political situation in-show. |
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Post by crowblack on May 8, 2019 13:05:58 GMT
Dany becoming more tyrannous and unbalanced as people default to obeying Jon’s authority rather than her. If that's the way it's going, they haven't left much time for it. Maybe that would give something for the books - if they ever happen - to explore. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 9, 2019 19:02:28 GMT
We might get Queen Dany, but not for long. Arya surviving (she is definitely going to take out Cersei though) I thought she might, maybe even using Jaime's face, but to have her kill both major baddies in this series is plotwise a bit unlikely now. I think Jaime will do it, or die trying. I do think she might put an injured Hound out of his misery, if we get the Hound vs Mountain showdown. Yep Jaime's got Cersei. Great character, Cersei not Jaime obviously |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 9, 2019 19:04:13 GMT
Dany becoming more tyrannous and unbalanced as people default to obeying Jon’s authority rather than her. If that's the way it's going, they haven't left much time for it. Maybe that would give something for the books - if they ever happen - to explore. Varys scheming again the only redeeming thing about s8 ep4 |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 9, 2019 21:53:06 GMT
Lots of speculation about possible new dragons appearing - born during Drogon's long absence and so now well on the way to being grown up...
Something in the titles looks like one big dragon with three smaller ones around it.
It would be a bit convenient - but also help turn a rather hopeless situation around.
Who knows!
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Post by crowblack on May 9, 2019 22:14:49 GMT
possible new dragons appearing The have been a few nods to the film Dragonslayer over the course of GoT, a namecheck for Vermithrax and a visual quote in the recent Winterfell battle scene. It's one of GRR Martin's favourite films, with "the best dragon ever put on film". In Dragonslayer Vermithrax is discovered to have baby dragons in its cave... |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 9, 2019 22:25:21 GMT
I know it is possible within the dragon lore - but it feels a bit of a cheat to bring out 3 more dragons - a bit too Deus Ex Machina for my liking
But at the moment, everything seems stacked against Dany and the Northern forces - so balance is needed from somewhere
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Post by crowblack on May 9, 2019 23:05:55 GMT
feels a bit of a cheat to bring out 3 more dragons Shame to have them go extinct again too, though. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 9, 2019 23:37:50 GMT
I expected the discovery of some dragon eggs to be the final shot of the show - so I never expected them to go completely
Just as I don't believe all White Walkers are gone
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 13, 2019 8:09:28 GMT
Well that was a breathless watch.
I had to keep pausing to let things sink in.
Whether or not you like the direction the story is taking, that was a very intense piece of directing and editing. The handling of tension was great.
Some gasp moments - Qyburn
Some teary moments - Hound
It was operatic at times in terms of the heightened drama (Aida in particular comes to mind)
Interesting to see how they shifted focus away from certain characters as the episode progressed - lots to wrap up next week!
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Post by crowblack on May 13, 2019 10:32:46 GMT
Yes, that's the word! And more unlikely coincidences than Les Miserables, but it was entertaining all the same. I don't know why fans are complaining about it so much - I thought a 'sack of Rome' scenario might be on the cards given the players in the game, but the showrunners are getting 'blamed' for a character people like turning nasty, rather than Martin. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 10:38:54 GMT
I wonder how the hundred odd couples who have called their daughters Khaleesi or Danaerys are feeling today.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 13, 2019 10:40:44 GMT
Part of the problem is that many 'fans' have essentially written their own endings to the story (because GRRM hasn't) and so anything that doesn't conform to their view of what ABSOLUTELY SHOULD happen is seen as a massive betrayal.
I just take it as it comes and have been entertained throughout. I am aware of the fact there are flaws - but this is true of most dramas. But other than some issues with a few storylines over the years (I was bored with Braavos and quite a lot of Essos), it has been good watching.
The rabid fanbase making lots of noise online have had too long to work out exactly what they wanted to happen. They were always going to be disappointed. And they are making a lot of noise trying to tell others how wrong it all is.
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Post by crowblack on May 13, 2019 10:54:09 GMT
called their daughters Khaleesi or Danaerys I was thinking that (there are some Theons around too, I think!). Weirdly, there are evidently some fans out there who think what she's done is cool. I was bored with Braavos and quite a lot of Essos I agree - I watched most of this series binge-style because I don't have Sky so just waited for cheap DVDs, and even so, those parts dragged - reminded me of those cartoons in Molesworth of a Gaul marching to Rome and a Roman marching to Gaul. |
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Personally I've decided that Dany and Cersei will tear each other to shreds in the next episode, then Sansa will saunter through the smouldering ruins of King's Landing to put herself on the throne with Tyrion at her side, while Jon, who doesn't want to rule, will be installed as Warden of the North. Sadly it's such a neat happy ending that I'm sure it won't happen.
