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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 14:11:35 GMT
tempt the narrative by making lovely future plans. Yep, toast - unless it's a twist. Tyrion talked so much about his impending death he might make it, unless that's also a twist. Sadly, I think Ser Brienne won't make it after that bit of happiness. Jon and Dany to survive this battle, but Dany kills Jon later in the series, leaving Arya and blacksmith chap last toffs standing on Iron Throne. Arya and Alfie Allen buy Bran enough time to destroy Night King, Bran and Alfie Allen also dying (or whatever Obi Wan Kenobi variant on dying Bran will undergo). I thought Sam Tarly would make it to the end, Sam Gamgee style, but his story's got darker and he has a baby son called Sam so maybe he too is toast (ooh, maybe he could kill Dany if she kills Jon!). I think Jaime will make it long enough to have showdown with sister. |
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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 14:12:53 GMT
I don't think we will lose a Stark. Sansa? And Bran maybe...he and Night King cancelling each other out somehow. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 14:24:40 GMT
I think Sansa has earned the right to survive a bit longer. Bran - again I think he will survive this battle. His seer powers probably still have a role to play.
We still have one more big battle after this one - so there is still time to off a few more
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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 14:39:46 GMT
Yes, she doesn't yet know about Jon's true parentage and could be another spanner in the works of that 'couple'. I think Bran might go though, if this is the defeat of the white walkers, because I don't really see what role he/ the red tree magicky fairy first people type stuff would have in the more human-world business of the Iron Throne fight which will probably (?) take up the last episodes. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 22, 2019 14:43:29 GMT
Re: Dragonriding - Targaryen blood definitely required, established in the books. Can be half-bloods/bastards though. The books haven’t got as far as the Night King getting a dragon yet but numerous hints have been dropped through various tales/legends that he is a Targ.
Jon being able to climb on board a dragon without ending up crispy should be a really startling revelation for Dany, but the show has for some reason ignored that. Oh, and Targs are not fireproof generally - The show has exaggerated that for Dany because it looks cool to have fires shooting up around her on screen, book Dany would definitely burn. It was the magic of the first dragons being born in centuries that protected her from their birth pyre, not her Targ blood. Historically Targaryens have died from fire, including from dragon fire.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 15:17:32 GMT
A neat suggestion in a Twitter thread - can the Night King raise the dead in the crypt?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 15:44:09 GMT
The crypt has been WAY too talked about as a safe place for that *not* to be the case.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 15:49:40 GMT
the people in the crypt are all long time dead - there is nothing other the bones and whilst we have seen just skeletons outside the tree of the Three Eyed Raven, they came from under the earth. The wights tend to be recently dead and still have some flesh
I am not sure whether the NK can raise just bones - we don't know enough of the lore.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 22, 2019 15:52:42 GMT
Don’t know if the crypt-dead will rise, but the crypt certainly is not going to be a safe place. Maybe we will finally find out what that line about ‘there must always be a Stark in Winterfell’ means.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 16:28:21 GMT
Brienne dying in the arms of her beloved might be the real emotional punch Who was the guy Brienne was running about with in yesterday’s episode? I didn’t remember him but he was clearly meant to be ‘somebody’? |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 22, 2019 16:46:52 GMT
Brienne dying in the arms of her beloved might be the real emotional punch Who was the guy Brienne was running about with in yesterday’s episode? I didn’t remember him but he was clearly meant to be ‘somebody’? Her squire Podrick? |
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Post by peggs on Apr 22, 2019 17:41:26 GMT
Did wonder if Brienne had got her happy moment and therefore that's probably it and yes how can the crypts be safe, something of a deadend trap is it not? There's been theories about dead Starks being raised and fighting the living for ages but I don't really see the impact, after all the only Starks we actually know aren't buried there are they so don't you lose the impact if it's just some dead stranger?
I do fear for little Lady Mormont if not only that she may be the coolest character in it.
And surely Pod is gonna go, too nice to live.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 22, 2019 17:46:05 GMT
I think we need someone bigger than Greyworm to die to have real emotional impact. The Unsullied have been trained to be ready for death - so losing him wouldn't bother me in the slightest. It needs someone from one of the big families to die to really kick things off. Young Lady Mormont would be a start. I don't think Jorah has much longer to go. So bye bye to that family I don't think we will lose a Stark. Can't see a Lannister going either. Sam/Gilly/Baby - safe for now. Varys - I don't think he will go at this stage (I suspect he needs to meet up with Melisandre at least one more time) Someone is likely to die twice - that could be Greyworm. Killed, brought back as a Wight and then killed again. I think Ed and Beric might also be candidates for that role - given the conversation with Jon about the last one living burning the dead Brienne dying in the arms of her beloved might be the real emotional punch Last week meh, this week my favourite ever episode. Better than Hardhome, Red Wedding and Battle on the Wall and Bastards. Even better than the Winds of Winter. If we are playing dead pool I am going for Theon, Brienne, Greyworm, Jorah, Davos, Beric Dondarion and … (wipes tear) Tormund. Could be Arya, Gendry but definitely Brann. Lots of the army of the dead, a few whites and maybe the Night King. Think Ghost survives and the remaining premier league superstars. Got a sneaky feeling Bronn is in next weeks episode |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 22, 2019 17:48:10 GMT
I think we need someone bigger than Greyworm to die to have real emotional impact. The Unsullied have been trained to be ready for death - so losing him wouldn't bother me in the slightest. It needs someone from one of the big families to die to really kick things off. Young Lady Mormont would be a start. I don't think Jorah has much longer to go. So bye bye to that family I don't think we will lose a Stark. Can't see a Lannister going either. Sam/Gilly/Baby - safe for now. Varys - I don't think he will go at this stage (I suspect he needs to meet up with Melisandre at least one more time) Someone is likely to die twice - that could be Greyworm. Killed, brought back as a Wight and then killed again. I think Ed and Beric might also be candidates for that role - given the conversation with Jon about the last one living burning the dead Brienne dying in the arms of her beloved might be the real emotional punch Last week meh, this week my favourite ever episode. Better than Hardhome, Red Wedding and Battle on the Wall and Bastards. Even better than the Winds of Winter. If we are playing dead pool I am going for Theon, Brienne, Greyworm, Jorah, Davos, Beric Dondarion and … (wipes tear) Tormund. Could be Arya, Gendry but definitely Brann. Lots of the army of the dead, a few whites and maybe the Night King. Think Ghost survives and the remaining premier league superstars. Got a sneaky feeling Bronn is in next weeks episode For the killed twice... I'm going for Hodor |
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Post by peggs on Apr 22, 2019 18:03:47 GMT
oh yes Theon must be a deaden now he's all redeemed though it then sucks to be Sansa but then it always really has. And yes i'd prob go with the suggested above, they've got to lose lots so think the second strings will go with maybe a surprise first string in there.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 18:17:26 GMT
For the killed twice... I'm going for Hodor Oh gosh yes, that would be horrible...though was there was much of him left to resurrect? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:41:05 GMT
Who was the guy Brienne was running about with in yesterday’s episode? I didn’t remember him but he was clearly meant to be ‘somebody’? Her squire Podrick? Gosh was that Pod?! I really didn’t recognise him. A few of the blokes seem to have changed their hairstyles and it’s proving a bit confusing. Took me a minute to recognise Gendry last week too. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 22, 2019 19:12:08 GMT
Gosh was that Pod?! I really didn’t recognise him. A few of the blokes seem to have changed their hairstyles and it’s proving a bit confusing. Took me a minute to recognise Gendry last week too. Odds on Pod went single figures in week leading up to S8 E1 for being on iron throne |
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Post by orchidman on Apr 23, 2019 21:56:38 GMT
The writing has gone to pot since they went beyond the books. The plan to capture the wight and whatever was happening with Littlefinger in the last series got close to shark-jumping territory, and everyone basically ignoring Bran is not far off either. The show was at one point absolutely first-rate, with one of the best depictions of politics ever, now it's just another TV show, albeit one with a dizzying budget and a residue of good characters.
It will be very disappointing if it all ends predictably with the heroes on top when what captured people's imaginations in the first place was the way it subverted genre cliches. But that's the way it's going, so much lately has been to give the audience what they want.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 28, 2019 17:11:09 GMT
The crypt has been WAY too talked about GoT's trailer Tweet doesn't give much away (obvs!), but ends with the line "the dead are already here". I think most fans on Twitter are now expecting undead Starks (I'm also hoping for a dragon fight to the death). |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 29, 2019 4:19:37 GMT
F*cking hell. That was intense.
Not sure I kept up with who is dead and who isn't. But that will go down in history as a major piece of television - whether you like the show or not, that was, if nothing else, a huge technical achievement.
Very sparse in terms of dialogue - but the storytelling was, on the whole, clear
Some very big moments - and a few tears.
Bravo GoT Team. Bravo
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Post by kathryn on Apr 29, 2019 7:21:53 GMT
If that’s really it for the Night King and the prophecies, and the next 3 episodes are all about the politics of who gets the ruddy throne, then that’s a huge anticlimax as far as I’m concerned. And probably a sign that GRRM was making it up as he went along and is stuck because he doesn’t have a satisfactory ending for all of the prophecy and foreshadowing he has been playing with.
What happened to the mystery and the magic?
And those are the worst battle tactics I’ve ever seen!
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Post by peggs on Apr 29, 2019 8:21:07 GMT
Oh some of those were sad. Is anyone left to fight the mad blond one even without elephants?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 29, 2019 8:34:56 GMT
If that’s really it for the Night King and the prophecies, and the next 3 episodes are all about the politics of who gets the ruddy throne, then that’s a huge anticlimax as far as I’m concerned. And probably a sign that GRRM was making it up as he went along and is stuck because he doesn’t have a satisfactory ending for all of the prophecy and foreshadowing he has been playing with.
What happened to the mystery and the magic?
And those are the worst battle tactics I’ve ever seen!
{Spoiler - click to view}
I couldn't disagree more. It has been the politics that has always been at the heart of my enjoyment of the show. Far more interested in the human rather than the fantasy. It was a spectacular piece of television - whether or not you agree with the decision to kill the Night King. I can't wait to see how the Plantagenet storyline pans out - it is still very much a War of the Roses show in my mind. And that is one of my favourite periods of history. Cersei is a far more dangerous villain compared to the Night King. She is unpredictable and capricious. Seeing her defeat will be very satisfying.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 29, 2019 12:48:45 GMT
oxfordsimon that seems entirely contrary to the ambition of the books, to me.
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