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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 19:46:56 GMT
I thought that the dragon flight was tonally very odd and I am trying to work out what they are telling us. Jon nearly falling off turned what should have been a magnificent moment into a something a bit like the scene when Harry Potter first gets on a broom. Very confusing. Also, was it just book canon that only Targaryans could ride the dragons? Or did I make it up? Because Daraeys did not seem surprised that he could fly it. Unrelated, Jon Snow lives near me and I see him in the deli all the time. He is *minute* and watching him lift Arya made me realise that she must be the size of a pepper pot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:04:55 GMT
I liked it when Sansa met Daenerys. Not because of the side-eye, but because Sophie Turner is approximately twice the height of Emilia Clarke.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 16, 2019 22:04:39 GMT
tonally very odd and I am trying to work out what they are telling us. Jon nearly falling off turned what should have been a magnificent moment into a something a bit like the scene when Harry Potter first gets on a broom. Very confusing. Yes - it was out of character for her to be so flippant and casual about her lover possibly falling off and snuffing it (again), and (according to the Nerdist website,where they're very peed off about the scene) it doesn't fit with the series mythology where only Targaryens can ride dragons. He is one too, but neither of them know this at that point - so wouldn't his ability to ride a dragon and it tolerating him doing so be a giveaway, a Sword in the Stone moment?
I presume it's going to be their last happy moment together in the series, and that's the excuse for it being so cutesy - it reminded me of an old Mad Magazine cartoon on the laws of soap opera with a happy couple running hand in hand across a sand dune with a pit of toxic waste lurking below. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 16, 2019 22:18:37 GMT
I can only imagine that they are trying to allow Jon and Dany some happiness before the inevitable misery comes crashing down
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 12:23:53 GMT
No, Targaryens are not the only people that can fly dragons. The other families that could were killed off in the doom of Valeriya.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 17, 2019 12:57:53 GMT
Targaryens are not the only people that can fly dragons Ah, I haven't read the books, I was just quoting the Nerdist article. Either way though, Jon Snow shouldn't be able to if he is who she thinks he is, surely? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 13:01:43 GMT
Theoretically, but let's bear in mind that he's been dead and come back, and she survived being burned to death on her husband's funeral pyre, so we're not exactly in a world where rules have to apply, even the fantastic ones. Or maybe she suspects and that'll come out in a later episode. Who knows?
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Post by crowblack on Apr 17, 2019 13:21:07 GMT
we're not exactly in a world where rules have to apply We are, hence all that bloodlines and Bran stuff! She survived the fire because of her bloodline, he was brought back by the red witch lady and has now found out he's heir to the throne. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 15:13:04 GMT
No, Targaryens are not the only people that can fly dragons. The other families that could were killed off in the doom of Valeriya. Only on an internet forum. Thank you for sharing your deep knowledge. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 15:16:08 GMT
Targaryens are not the only people that can fly dragons Ah, I haven't read the books, I was just quoting the Nerdist article. Either way though, Jon Snow shouldn't be able to if he is who she thinks he is, surely? Exactly. It's a book technicality that there were other people who could fly dragons. I'm now trying to remember if the series ever said that only Targaryens could fly them, or if me knowing that is picked up from reading AV Club and the like. Thanks for the reminder about Nerdist BTW. I shall check out their coverage. Vanity Fair also constantly surprised me with the quality of their Thrones writing last series. Could be a good one to check out crowblack |
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Post by Jon on Apr 17, 2019 15:24:15 GMT
I'll be curious to see how soon we get one of the Game of Thrones spin-offs/prequels? I'm thinking 2021 because they're only casting for the pilot of The Long Night at the moment and HBO takes a while to decide on whether to greenlight a series.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 17, 2019 15:43:22 GMT
if the series ever said that only Targaryens could fly them I think thus far the implication in the (streamlined?) TV version is that it's something peculiar to her / her bloodline - I went back and watched the first episode last week where they sow a lot of the seeds and she gets into a boiling bathtub while maids go 'it's too hot!' or words to that effect. At the time I assumed she was self-harming. There was something going on in that scene last series where Jon is able to pet the dragons too. As for script consistency, Arya had a job getting into Winterfell last season but the arch-enemy Jaime just trotted in with his hood up this week. I know they've got an army camped outside but they've now got Westeros' equivalent of a global summit going on in there and security has gone to pot. |
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Post by crowblack on Apr 17, 2019 15:46:29 GMT
Game of Thrones spin-offs/prequels? I think Amazon are filming their LOTR series this summer too (prequel / Silmarillion suff?), and there are other fantasy series in the offing, though the Jack Thorne-scripted Sandman project has apparently been cancelled. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 17, 2019 17:41:50 GMT
we're not exactly in a world where rules have to apply We are, hence all that bloodlines and Bran stuff! She survived the fire because of her bloodline, he was brought back by the red witch lady and has now found out he's heir to the throne. What about her brothers bloodline? And the Night King is a Targaryan also as he can ride a dragon? |
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Post by crowblack on Apr 17, 2019 17:53:51 GMT
He was killed off before there were any dragons on the scene in the series - they were just eggs back then. I don't know if there's going to be a big reveal about the Nigh King's identity, but he seems to be the reanimating force behind the undead army or whatever so as their god/maker figure I presume that means he can also command the dragon he brought back to 'life' (gosh this conversation has got much more engaged than I was expecting!) |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 17, 2019 18:05:13 GMT
He was killed off before there were any dragons on the scene in the series - they were just eggs back then. I don't know if there's going to be a big reveal about the Nigh King's identity, but he seems to be the reanimating force behind the undead army or whatever so as their god/maker figure I presume that means he can also command the dragon he brought back to 'life' (gosh this conversation has got much more engaged than I was expecting!) Not the Dragons thing but the heat |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 19:54:23 GMT
It’s established in the show that Targaryens had dragon blood and that’s the reason Dany can survive the heat - in the TV show she was shown having a scalding bath before she had dragons. She also claims her brother wasn’t a dragon because he didn’t survive molten gold on his head.
The other dragon riders aren’t mentioned in the TV series (and barely in the books). In the TV show the only person to have ever shown any knowledge of dragons is Tyrion - fleetingly - as he liked to read books about them. He calls them intelligent creatures and drunkenly went for a chat with two of them and freed them of their chains. Flattery seems to work.
My personal guess is it’s entirely up to the dragon whether they let someone climb up on them. Frankly, no one has tried it except Dany and she only started in season 6. The only way Dany will ever believe Jon is Targaryen though is if she burns him and he survives.
So I suspect Jon Snow is going to be on the receiving end of ‘Dracarys’ at some point soon.
In terms of the Night King, I wouldn’t read too much into the fact he was riding them - he controls the dead, and the dragon died. Also, it’s highly unlikely he is Targaryen as he was created millennia before Targaryens stepped foot in Westeros - both established facts in the TV show.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 2:05:51 GMT
Well that was different.
Clearly a set-up episode to prepare us for The Battle of Winterfell - so not heavy on action but plenty of relationship development/exploration
Loved the Knights round the fire sequence - Brienne moment was wonderful
Didn't quite expect Arya and Gendry to do that at this point - but it sort of made sense
Dany's face when everything was explained together - again good
A little too much of making sure everyone got their moment - but that is understandable as many of them won't have moments to have shortly!
I suspect this season might be one best binge-watched - each episode flowing into the next
At least we didn't get a roller-coaster ride this week
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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 2:19:34 GMT
not heavy on action but plenty of relationship development/exploration I liked it, a Henry V night before Agincourt episode - felt a bit like fanfiction with favourite characters / relationships, and I mean that as a compliment. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 2:31:28 GMT
I can see what you mean - I just wonder whether we could have done with episode 2/3 being merged so we get 30 minutes of build up going straight into the battle.
As has just been pointed out on one of the YouTube discussions, we are 1/3 of the way through this final series and we are lacking in action.
I am not a huge fan of the battle episodes as they tend to be noisy (both in terms of sound and visuals) - but I think we need to move things on now. 2 hours of set-up is a bit too much. I know we need to be reminded of the characters and their relationships and that we have to get the key reveal out of the way - but 2 hours of it might be a bit too much for me.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 22, 2019 9:25:57 GMT
2 hours of it might be a bit too much for me. Yes, though I liked this episode. I thought last week's was a bit meh - managed to feel both slow and rushed - but agree, we could have had an episode and a half of build up and then an initial skirmish with a popular character death as an appetiser, or a feature length build up doing the fan service of meeting and tying up relationships then launch into battle with episode 2, though fansite rumour has it the battle took ages to film so might take up more than an episode, even at the longer length. The BBC Les Miserables did the barricades over two episodes, with Mabeuf and Eponine's deaths at the end of the first half and that worked well. |
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Post by peggs on Apr 22, 2019 9:40:23 GMT
With so many reunion/touching scenes between people there's a whole lot of scope for an awful lot of them to now die in the next episode.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 22, 2019 10:09:17 GMT
Continuing the HenryV comparisons, wonder what the reaction to a similar conclusion would be, we get a roll call of the dead which consists primarily of a list of insignificant supporting characters.
On reflection the build up has been overlong, could have been consolidated to one snappier episode, not sure how the next four episodes can be stretched out as likely to be made up of two major battles the dead next week and the final quest for the throne.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 13:54:12 GMT
Shall we start the death pool for next week? Grey Worm's not going to last long, not if he's dumb enough to tempt the narrative by making lovely future plans.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 14:04:36 GMT
I think we need someone bigger than Greyworm to die to have real emotional impact. The Unsullied have been trained to be ready for death - so losing him wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
It needs someone from one of the big families to die to really kick things off. Young Lady Mormont would be a start. I don't think Jorah has much longer to go. So bye bye to that family
I don't think we will lose a Stark. Can't see a Lannister going either. Sam/Gilly/Baby - safe for now. Varys - I don't think he will go at this stage (I suspect he needs to meet up with Melisandre at least one more time)
Someone is likely to die twice - that could be Greyworm. Killed, brought back as a Wight and then killed again. I think Ed and Beric might also be candidates for that role - given the conversation with Jon about the last one living burning the dead
Brienne dying in the arms of her beloved might be the real emotional punch
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