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Post by peggs on Jul 22, 2019 20:39:13 GMT
Wasn't that the colonies? Or did I get that wrong? You basically get sent there and die under the work/decamination?
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Post by lynette on Jul 24, 2019 11:33:01 GMT
She keeps 'em doing. Apparently the latest novel by Attwood and put up for the Booker prize, continues the saga.
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Post by peggs on Jul 26, 2019 19:44:56 GMT
So if handmaids are those woman who have proven fertility and/or haven't proved infertile but have done something wrong, an affair, being gay etc. martha's are what non fertile have done something wrong? the real 'sinners' get sent to the colonies, the dutiful but unimportant are allowed to stay as families and do prescribed jobs (until they break a rule and get executed and their kids taken), the powerful are the commanders and their wifes. so who are the aunts? Not powerful but not sinners but have suggested support for the system?
And the super commander in DC, is he hitting on fred?
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Post by justfran on Jul 27, 2019 11:31:37 GMT
And the super commander in DC, is he hitting on fred? I thought this a couple of episodes ago when they were playing pool. Maybe this will be part of his downfall. . . Surely something has to conclude soon?! I did read yesterday it has been confirmed for a fourth series so probably not. |
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Post by peggs on Jul 27, 2019 12:37:16 GMT
I found this compelling but not sure I want to watch loads more series of June inadvertently dispatching people in her bid for her child.
Do love Moira and Emily's wife.
DC power couples on whole new level of disturbing.
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Post by sf on Jul 27, 2019 19:09:10 GMT
Maybe this will be part of his downfall What worries me is that they cut off fingers for reading, arms for sacrilege, what for homosexuality?....
Execution, usually by hanging. Gilead's term is "gender traitor", and the punishment is death - unless you are a woman with viable ovaries.
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Post by justfran on Jul 27, 2019 21:51:58 GMT
In which case, might we see Fred on The Wall?
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Post by peggs on Aug 12, 2019 19:36:00 GMT
You have such deeper thoughts than me monkey, I just thought can we now tell Fred's a wrong un as he's wearing that terrible checked suit. And I'd quite like some scones and muffins.
I think I'm tiring of it, I'd like the systems broken down and everyone out but not sure I'll last many more series.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Aug 13, 2019 10:04:38 GMT
I'm still watching, hanging on in there, but it's been hard going. I want to engage with the characters, I want to see just how awful Gilead can be (the sewn up mouths was a shocker). I think it's just a bit too slow right now. Lots of intense looks to camera.
Best moment was June's throw away line to Fred when he asked if she was OK "after ....". Had me cheering.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 13, 2019 10:10:31 GMT
A real dilemma this week. Commander Lawrence forced to commit the rape he was the architect of. The debate I have is whether showing his distaste for it was actually undermining the point of the entire show? The whole thing is about out-of-control dominant patriarchy, from a feminist viewpoint. If they now show that the patriarchy in fact have second thoughts, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to feel "oh good, come to his senses" or "then why the hell did you set this up in the first place and it makes you even worse that you do know right from wrong and do it anyway." Difficult. Basic feminist tenet is that patriarchy hurts everyone - even those it is set up to supposedly benefit. It's getting people who are invested in it to admit it that is hard. I thought this week's story was a good way of pointing that out - it may have sounded appealing/logical in abstract, but the reality is that The Ceremony is not designed to be a pleasant experience for anyone, male or female. Making sex purely about procreation is utterly dehumanising and joyless. |
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Post by londonmzfitz on Aug 13, 2019 12:00:48 GMT
A real dilemma this week. Commander Lawrence forced to commit the rape he was the architect of. The debate I have is whether showing his distaste for it was actually undermining the point of the entire show? The whole thing is about out-of-control dominant patriarchy, from a feminist viewpoint. If they now show that the patriarchy in fact have second thoughts, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to feel "oh good, come to his senses" or "then why the hell did you set this up in the first place and it makes you even worse that you do know right from wrong and do it anyway." Difficult. Basic feminist tenet is that patriarchy hurts everyone - even those it is set up to supposedly benefit. It's getting people who are invested in it to admit it that is hard.
I thought this week's story was a good way of pointing that out - it may have sounded appealing/logical in abstract, but the reality is that The Ceremony is not designed to be a pleasant experience for anyone, male or female. Making sex purely about procreation is utterly dehumanising and joyless.There was reference in this series - short and so quick I almost missed it - about female genital mutilation (on a quick google and I hope no-one in the office checks my internet history cos that'll have them wondering) in which Emily is being checked over by a doctor who says they can try and reconstruct some of the damage from the fgm. I think that's the sort of thing that could bear with a little more coverage, further evidence of the awfulness of Gilead; these handmaids are regarded as incubators for the ultimate goal of children and nothing else. Sew their mouths shut. On a lighter note, as a huge fan of West Wing, seeing Josh Lyman and Zoey Bartlet together makes me wish for more TV of that class. |
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Post by sf on Aug 13, 2019 14:53:51 GMT
Wasn't Emily punished by FGM in season 1 - she was pictured in surgical underwear and we assumed she had been? Yes, that was Gilead's punishment for Emily having conducted an illicit same-sex relationship. Her lover (a Martha, I think) was executed (very brutally, in front of Emily); since she is fertile, Emily was sentenced to circumcision, although I don't think the word was ever used. |
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Post by londonmzfitz on Aug 20, 2019 10:58:11 GMT
My groan about it being a bit slow going is forgotten. I loved the last episode, loads of good stuff! Pens and laundry trolleys and awesome Martha's!
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Post by peggs on Aug 27, 2019 22:56:40 GMT
Probably for the first time this series that episode made me want to immediately watch the next one. And totally had to hide behind hands for pen incident. But yeah loved that bit too monkey, most satisfying.
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Post by d'James on Aug 28, 2019 5:40:59 GMT
I’ve only just started watching the show. I finished Series Three the other day. I have a lot of thoughts and will write them down when everyone’s caught up.
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Post by dontdreamit on Aug 28, 2019 8:07:28 GMT
One more episode to go... with the advent of box set watching, it’s really good to have to wait between episodes, especially as there an generally very thought provoking.
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Post by peggs on Aug 28, 2019 21:16:38 GMT
Isn't the Canadian detention centre rather nice! I mean, I've stayed in hotels which have less attractive views from the windows. I thought that too, most lovely even if you do need to get your pizza as take out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 11:23:57 GMT
The thing is that such regimes seem rock solid, yet small cracks start to appear and, when these reach critical mass, their destruction is unstoppable. When they fall it can result in terrible loss of life yet at other times it is done almost peacefully. I think we can guess which one this will be.
As well as the inexorable appearance of those cracks this season, slowly and step by step, I think what it has also done well is to not create heroes and villains, there are so many shades in between for these characters, even June. Commander Lawrence has been a great catalyst, I think there's a lot more to come from him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:42:58 GMT
] As well as the inexorable appearance of those cracks this season, slowly and step by step, I think what it has also done well is to not create heroes and villains, there are so many shades in between for these characters, even June. Commander Lawrence has been a great catalyst, I think there's a lot more to come from him. I do hope so, because I’ve really enjoyed Whitford’s performance, but it’s not looking good for him. Mind you, I don’t see how Gilead can punish anyone involved in the escape without decimating the existing, popular cast. So he may yet find away out of it... |
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Post by d'James on Sept 2, 2019 13:13:08 GMT
I really don’t think the show should go on too much longer. The fact June is still alive is unbelievable. One, maybe two more season(s) would be enough.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 2, 2019 15:04:08 GMT
I agree one more season should wrap it up, unless they really can move away from the current core. There is indeed only so many times everybody can avoid the wall. And how many more close ups of June's face the viewer can endure. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 16:57:55 GMT
I agree one more season should wrap it up, unless they really can move away from the current core. There is indeed only so many times everybody can avoid the wall. I was thinking that next season is going to be the underground guerilla war and one more after that to cover the regime collapsing. |
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Post by alece10 on Sept 2, 2019 17:09:42 GMT
Reminded me of The Inn of the 6th happiness (for those old enough to remember it). I was expecting them to start singing "This old man" at any minute.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Sept 3, 2019 12:16:28 GMT
Loved this episode, the chummy Serena and the Canadian guy that got very frosty when she got chucked under the bus .... Interesting to see the scenes from what would have been the capture of June. A feisty Janine!
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Post by peggs on Sept 4, 2019 20:34:13 GMT
I found watching this episode a bit like watching certain plays when you know it isn't all going to end well but really hope it will anyway. Love Commander Lawrence character, this season has for me but much better than the previous one and I shed no tears at the current fate of the Waterfords.
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