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Post by nick on Aug 9, 2018 13:37:52 GMT
June's story can only sustain 3 maybe 4 series. They could open it out but it would become a different series.
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Post by nick on Aug 9, 2018 17:41:58 GMT
That's one way of putting it.
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Post by sf on Aug 9, 2018 19:03:07 GMT
It is set in Maine where there can be a lot of winter. Massachusetts. The book takes place in and around what used to be Boston and Cambridge, and so does the TV series. This season we've seen the offices of the Boston Globe - with Boston Globe logos clearly visible - and what we were told was Fenway Park. I think it's filmed in Toronto. Toronto, Hamilton, and Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge. There are occasional glimpses of downtown Toronto (City Hall and Bay subway station in the first season episode where June escapes from the Red Center), the Waterford house is in Hamilton, and the bridge and the walkway along the river are in Cambridge. They've also used the conservatories in Allan Gardens in downtown Toronto, the block of Wellington Street where the CBC building is located, the lobby, the ballroom, and various other rooms in the Royal York Hotel, a couple of buildings on the UTM (University of Toronto at Mississauga) campus, and a rather nice coffee shop on Queen East called Bonjour Brioche that I used to go to quite often when I lived in Toronto (that's where the barista calls Moira and June sluts for wearing form-fitting sportswear when they were out for a run). "Little America" is the Esplanade, an area on the fringe of downtown Toronto close to the St. Lawrence Market.
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Post by nick on Aug 10, 2018 8:38:15 GMT
It is set in Maine where there can be a lot of winter. Massachusetts. The book takes place in and around what used to be Boston and Cambridge, and so does the TV series. This season we've seen the offices of the Boston Globe - with Boston Globe logos clearly visible - and what we were told was Fenway Park. I think it's filmed in Toronto. Toronto, Hamilton, and Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge. There are occasional glimpses of downtown Toronto (City Hall and Bay subway station in the first season episode where June escapes from the Red Center), the Waterford house is in Hamilton, and the bridge and the walkway along the river are in Cambridge. They've also used the conservatories in Allan Gardens in downtown Toronto, the block of Wellington Street where the CBC building is located, the lobby, the ballroom, and various other rooms in the Royal York Hotel, a couple of buildings on the UTM (University of Toronto at Mississauga) campus, and a rather nice coffee shop on Queen East called Bonjour Brioche that I used to go to quite often when I lived in Toronto (that's where the barista calls Moira and June sluts for wearing form-fitting sportswear when they were out for a run). "Little America" is the Esplanade, an area on the fringe of downtown Toronto close to the St. Lawrence Market.
I stand corrected. I've never been to the US but have cousins in Maine. They talk about visiting Boston and, for some reason, I had assumed Boston was in Maine. And you know way too much about the locations ;-) I'm tempted to riposte with the Catford locations used in the TV play Babs but it's much less exotic.
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Post by nick on Aug 10, 2018 11:33:46 GMT
I'm tempted to riposte with the Catford locations used in the TV play Babs but it's much less exotic. Go on, don't leave us in suspense... OK actually there is a relevance for a theatre board. The theatre scenes (her auditions and Oh What a Lovely War) used the Broadway theatre in Catford that is virtually unused these days but has a working theatre organ that is quite marvellous. The Krays no so nice night club used the Catford Constituitional Club that is a bar behind the theatre that is pure shabby chic - it uses the old Catford Conservative club (CCC gettit) and they haven't bothered replastering etc. And the posher nightclubs used the good old Rivoli Ballroom that is up the road in Crofton Park. It's been used for hundreds of TV and films.
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Post by nick on Aug 10, 2018 14:51:43 GMT
Oh, I did wonder which theatre it was - it was way too huge for an end-of-pier. Lovely that it has a working organ... we all appreciate those. Love the nightclub stuff too. It's still working but is rarely played. They had a session last year where they got an organist in and put cameras in the loft so we could see all the instruments up above. So when he pressed "cymbal" we could see the cymbal being hit. They also operated the baffles above the stage so we could see the 'volume control' - closed = quiet, open = loud. Then he played along to an Elsa Lanchester silent film - she's a local girl apparently.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 13, 2018 10:07:44 GMT
And someone should have told Emily that it requires garlic and a crucifix, not a knife. But do we really want an Ann Dowd-less Handmaid's Tale? The character is vile, but she is soooo good at portraying her. I am intrigued to see what happens next season - how the hell is June going to get Hannah back from that position? She can't go back to the Waterford's! I have been wondering for a while why the Marthas haven't conspired to bring the commanders down - they're in charge of the food and the household, after all, and there's all manner of household cleaning agents that are poisonous. A bit of co-ordination and they could take the high command down on a single night, and probably a lot of the military too - I don't suppose the soldier-boys cook their own food, that's women's work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 10:27:02 GMT
I think that, after the darkness of this season, the chinks of light are going to get bigger and the resistance will become more organised. Also we will probably get more of a sense of what happened with the setting up of Gilead and its first days, What happened in the colonies is currently very opaque, for example. Now we know what has been going on beneath the surface, it makes more sense of the surface. The filming in the snow was also absolutely beautifully done, I thought (I say this as someone who pines for Winter in the Summer!)
To watch it, I realised I had to stop thinking as me here and now and to to try and figure out how such a situation might affect me there and then, We are in a world which is teetering, which is one thing, but what if we were in a world that had already gone too far?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 10:34:40 GMT
Who said that Lydia was dead?
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Post by sf on Aug 13, 2018 18:19:35 GMT
Who said that Lydia was dead?
Ann Dowd has confirmed in an interview somewhere that Lydia will be back for the third season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 20:06:49 GMT
Rule of thumb for a TV series - unless I see a body being sliced open on a slab or six foot under then the character is likely to come back from even the worst injuries or illness. Lydia’s as tough as old boot leather, being knifed in the back is a mere inconvenience.
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Post by alece10 on Jun 10, 2019 16:35:04 GMT
I just hope this series moves a bit quicker than the last one. They could have put the whole series into a 1 hour episode. Lots of staring at the camera close up.
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Post by peggs on Jun 10, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
Mixed views about this being back, feel have to watch but have to be in a resilient place or can be too grim. There are rather a lot of things at the mo that I've started and not even made through whole episode, years and years is like this, can just about to half an episode. Perhaps what I mean is there is a lack of light hearted but then I guess it's not really light hearted times.
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Post by justfran on Jun 10, 2019 22:02:49 GMT
I agree with you peggs - I really enjoyed the book from studying it at college and thought series one was excellent (series two less so) but it is quite dark/grim so I make sure to watch it then follow it with something a bit more lighthearted. This first episode was very slow, hope the rest of the series picks up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 23:45:35 GMT
Have to agree now that the plot has slowed to snail's pace. On the other hand, the psychodramatic sadism has reached a new height with Aunt Lydia tazering June with the cattle prod, and the Commander looking at June's writhing and musing "I wonder how much voltage is in that" . You have to admire once again the minimalism in the way it presents such subject matter. I like the pace of it, it’s insidious and very much focused on character. I thought the same for Summer of Rockets which someone else thought was slow. I thought the same of Three Sisters which others thought was slow. I’m sensing a pattern here (I like heavily plotted shows as well but like a mixture).
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Post by justfran on Jul 15, 2019 20:03:59 GMT
This series has been so slow and I wasn’t sure it was going to pick up in terms of quality but last night’s episode has given me some hope, it was very good. Lots of seeds dropped to develop over the next few episodes.
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Post by justfran on Jul 16, 2019 18:35:49 GMT
Serena-Joy is now a ticking bomb for a start. Indeed. What do we all think about the Nick revelations?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 10:08:06 GMT
I don't think he's trusted by either side, but there are so many contradictions. If he was a distinguished soldier, why didn't he get elevated to "Commander" immediately the revolution ended? Why, when we first met him, was he a known "eye"? Now, the tape saying it is his and June's is public knowledge in the higher ranks, yet he has had no sanctions for it. Wondering if he is in fact a "honey trap" for June and will turn out to be the son of the highest ranking Church commander, explaining why he is untouchable. They don’t need a honeytrap, they can convict and execute without anything resembling a fair trial. On who gets to do what or who knows what, it’s a fascist state, it is only relevant if those in charge decide it is so. The cracks in the dam are there but, as we can see from a part of a world that has elected a racist president who would be quite happy in fomenting a race war, all that matters is if they retain their usefulness in maintaining power.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 17, 2019 11:32:34 GMT
I’m not sure this series is actually that well-plotted - I rather suspect Nick’s status as war-hero/terrorist is a ret-con designer to throw up a road-block to resolving the baby story, which is already stretching credulity.
In a world where babies are so precious and rare that people stop and stare at one in a hospital, and six children in a room together is breathtaking, there is no way that Canada would contemplate handing the baby back. They actively want as many babies as they can get their hands on! Gilead can talk and threaten until blue in the face. If they’ve got the military capabilities to invade they will do so anyway, there’s no appeasing religious fundamentalists - giving the baby back or not will make no difference at all.
I am growing a bit tired of the way the series has inflated Gilead’s Military capabilities - the original book made it quite clear that all the religious propaganda was required precisely because it didn’t have the strength it was trying to project. Like most isolationist fundamentalist states it can’t adequately feed its population and is on the brink of collapse - they find the Handmaid’s tale after the regime has already collapsed, and there’s the strong sense that you should know much of what she is told by the regime was lies.
I don’t know where this series will ultimately end up - they seem to be building Gilead up too much as a power at the moment to actually play through its collapse.
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Post by spendleb on Jul 17, 2019 13:01:57 GMT
Is this the last season or is there another one?
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Post by sf on Jul 17, 2019 14:03:30 GMT
Is this the last season or is there another one?
It's (very) likely to be renewed for a fourth season, but nothing has been announced yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 14:22:08 GMT
I’m not sure this series is actually that well-plotted - I rather suspect Nick’s status as war-hero/terrorist is a ret-con designer to throw up a road-block to resolving the baby story, which is already stretching credulity. In a world where babies are so precious and rare that people stop and stare at one in a hospital, and six children in a room together is breathtaking, there is no way that Canada would contemplate handing the baby back. They actively want as many babies as they can get their hands on! Gilead can talk and threaten until blue in the face. If they’ve got the military capabilities to invade they will do so anyway, there’s no appeasing religious fundamentalists - giving the baby back or not will make no difference at all. I am growing a bit tired of the way the series has inflated Gilead’s Military capabilities - the original book made it quite clear that all the religious propaganda was required precisely because it didn’t have the strength it was trying to project. Like most isolationist fundamentalist states it can’t adequately feed its population and is on the brink of collapse - they find the Handmaid’s tale after the regime has already collapsed, and there’s the strong sense that you should know much of what she is told by the regime was lies. I don’t know where this series will ultimately end up - they seem to be building Gilead up too much as a power at the moment to actually play through its collapse. Nick's background has always been very grey, we know next to nothing about him (I can't recall seeing if there have been any flashbacks for him). That has most definitely been on purpose and planned for. As far as how other countries treat Gilead then we only have to see how our governments treat powerful states that have shocking human rights records (Saudi, for example, whose treatment of women is appalling). Of course, they'd negotiate handing the baby back if they thought it would make Canada safer, that's how governments work. I'm not sure looking to the book is much use at this point, given how it has diverted already, the map seen earlier shows that it has already exploded a handful of nuclear weapons on its own territory (mostly California, which presumably was seen as a prime place to bring under control quickly) and, given how many nuclear weapons the USA has, they will have a lot left to threaten others with. The 'colonies' and their toxic environment look as though they were caused by these explosions (they appear to be mostly the 'flyover' states). They have nuclear weapons and are happy to use them, and that's as much military capability as they need. How did the iron curtain fall? By the revolt of its own people, backed by regime members who saw which way the wind was blowing. That looks like the most likely way for Gilead to fall. Other countries may have their spies embedded in the regime but only when they sense a popular revolt will they make decisive moves.
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Post by sf on Jul 17, 2019 14:53:04 GMT
There was talk of a 7 season arc, but my guess is that 4 would be enough at most, unless her new book provides amazing new material. The new book is apparently set very firmly outside the TV series's timeline, and it's not the kind of TV series that could easily sustain a 15-year time jump.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 17, 2019 17:42:52 GMT
Good points all kathryn. My guess is that only Gilead really has the fertility issue, but they are made to think it is global. The military thing, well, as you say, we know it collapses. We also know military states like Russia and North Korea put on a good show to hide the truths, and that's what's going on here, perhaps? There was talk of a 7 season arc, but my guess is that 4 would be enough at most, unless her new book provides amazing new material. The first season made it absolutely clear that the fertility issue is global - remember Mexico sending a delegation and considering taking Handmaids? Now, in the book - which i agree is an unreliable guide to the show’s trajectory - I would say that it was debatable whether the fertility issue was global.
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Post by alece10 on Jul 22, 2019 19:25:04 GMT
Well this series is as slow as the previous ones and I'm still confused. But I thinking back to the last series and there were scenes of women in a kind of concentration camp digging the earth. But it never really explained what that was all about and it didn't seem to tie in with anything else. Can anyone explain what that was about please?
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