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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 2:01:59 GMT
Surely it's a bit too early to start a 2018 thread, isn't it?... ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 7:32:16 GMT
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Post by Michael on Mar 1, 2017 7:40:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 16:23:12 GMT
So now that the Oliviers are over, will the theatre scrooges let us discuss next year?  At least for the sake of lazy people like me that try but fail to keep up with eligibility and new shows coming in. Any updates on the eligibility list? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 16:30:24 GMT
Y'all did this just to confuse my (sleep deprived) brain when looking for THIS year's winners didn't you?
'what? Hamilton? Frankenstein? what year is this? who am I?'
Anyway see you back on this year's thread.
(Except to say now, that if that Goat wins over 'my' Angels this time next year I'm retiring, as you all were)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 16:58:17 GMT
This is potentially gonna be another dull year at the Oliviers if Hamilton is gonna sweep like Harry Potter did this year. Though I could see it being like Book of Mormon, where it only got six nominations and won four of them. Though just throwing it out there, Rachel John for Best Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical please and thank you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 17:36:25 GMT
Barring a major surprise, Hamilton surely has the following locked in:
Outstanding Achievement in Music
Best New Musical
Given that it could easily win lighting, sound, costumes, director and any of the acting awards, I think it's destined to win more Oliviers than BOM did. Especially as it won less Tonys than Hamilton and that's despite them winning the sound design award that didn't exist when it came round to Hamilton's turn (and they would have surely won it). Hamilton is just the more hyped and well-rounded show, so I'm not sure how comparable they are. As I said in another thread, I think Hamilton will miss out on choreography over here considering the amount of dance-heavy musicals we'll have. Although many people thought Shuffle Along would win the Tony so who knows?
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Post by alece10 on Apr 10, 2017 17:54:34 GMT
Barring a major surprise, Hamilton surely has the following locked in: Outstanding Achievement in Music Best New Musical Given that it could easily win lighting, sound, costumes, director and any of the acting awards, I think it's destined to win more Oliviers than BOM did. Especially as it won less Tonys than Hamilton and that's despite them winning the sound design award that didn't exist when it came round to Hamilton's turn (and they would have surely won it). Hamilton is just the more hyped and well-rounded show, so I'm not sure how comparable they are. As I said in another thread, I think Hamilton will miss out on choreography over here considering the amount of dance-heavy musicals we'll have. Although many people thought Shuffle Along would win the Tony so who knows? Surely 42nd Street has to win costume purely due to the fact that there are hundreds of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:06:38 GMT
Maybe! It depends how much they buy into Hamilton hype. I thought Shuffle Along would have won the Tony for costumes and they didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:13:19 GMT
I kind of feel 42nd Street had it in the bag the moment it opened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:18:34 GMT
I haven't seen it yet so I can't really comment!
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 11, 2017 0:42:01 GMT
Yes I agree that 42nd Street will get costume and choreography and thats it, none of the acting categories are knock out, I think Follies will win revival and winning the acting awards along with Hamilton.
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Post by Mark on Apr 11, 2017 4:18:21 GMT
I think the only one that's pretty certain in the acting awards for Hamilton is Rachel John for Angelica. It's such a great supporting role and Rachel is always a knockout.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 4:51:49 GMT
I think the only one that's pretty certain in the acting awards for Hamilton is Rachel John for Angelica. It's such a great supporting role and Rachel is always a knockout. Would also be a great "congratulations from escaping Beverley Knight's shadow!!" moment... keep up with that! |
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Post by raiseitup on Apr 12, 2017 14:59:51 GMT
Pretty sure Andrew Scott will be a shoo in for a Best Actor nom for Hamlet
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 15:26:06 GMT
I think the only one that's pretty certain in the acting awards for Hamilton is Rachel John for Angelica. It's such a great supporting role and Rachel is always a knockout. I think Burr is the best role for an actor in the show. He gets subdued moments and a big showstopper. He gets to be the narrator and the antihero. He gets to be the sympathetic villain. So if Giles Terara can pull it out of the bag, I don't see anyone else taking that from him. I actually think Angelica is a pretty weak part outside of Satisfied (she basically disappears halfway through and doesn't go on much of a journey), but Satisfied is such an excellently written song that as long as the person playing her can sing and rap, they'll be acclaimed in the role. (Not the biggest fan of Renee's Tony win for the part and think Karen Olivo plays her more effectively). |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 15, 2017 18:13:58 GMT
Stick my neck out early here and say next year will be all about: Angels In America, The Ferryman, Follies and Hamilton.
I can see Paddy Considine giving Nathan Lane a run for his money and Brid Brennan getting best featured actress.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 18:19:13 GMT
Yes, the performances in Follies and Hamilton are outstanding.
Oh, I've just woken up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
Yes, the performances in Follies and Hamilton are outstanding. Oh, I've just woken up. An illustration, however, as to the Oliviers not being about quality now but about the best known shows. We had the unaccountable Harry Potter sweep this year, for example, if you didn't know you could have sworn you were watching the Evening Standard awards. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 15, 2017 22:39:50 GMT
Yes, the performances in Follies and Hamilton are outstanding. Oh, I've just woken up. I don't remember mentioning the performances for Follies and Hamilton. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 15, 2017 22:40:40 GMT
Interesting. On the plays thread there is some discussion as to whether 'Girl from the North Country' is a play or a musical. This might chuck the cat among the pigeons.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Jul 17, 2017 14:34:38 GMT
I totally get the basis for discussing the plays / musicals that will be nominated, but the *performances*? Some of these productions haven't been cast yet! Hell, we only found out the lead for Hamilton two weeks ago, and he's a virtual unknown at that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 14:39:02 GMT
Nothing wrong with it!
Check sites like awardswatch.com/forums. They discuss which performances are going to win Oscars before they even know what the films are about.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Jul 17, 2017 14:57:29 GMT
Nothing wrong with it! Check sites like awardswatch.com/forums. They discuss which performances are going to win Oscars before they even know what the films are about. See, I think that just reinforces my skepticism  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:02:12 GMT
Nothing wrong with it! Check sites like awardswatch.com/forums. They discuss which performances are going to win Oscars before they even know what the films are about. See, I think that just reinforces my skepticism Most of the time they're surprisingly accurate. I just think it's harmless fun and those that want to do it can and those that don't don't have to. |
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At least for the sake of lazy people like me that try but fail to keep up with eligibility and new shows coming in.
