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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 13:33:23 GMT
Who on earth had the stupid idea to put Nigella in the Only Connect slot?!
I won't be home in time to watch it live and join the family live text if it starts at 7.30pm!
Nigella has no place in the middle of Monday night quiz night.
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Post by sfsusan on Nov 9, 2020 21:10:50 GMT
get yourself an off-the-shelf, any variety you fancy, parliamentary democracy like the rest of the world. What would be the advantage? (I'm not being snarky, I'm asking...)
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 9, 2020 23:24:35 GMT
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Post by sfsusan on Nov 10, 2020 23:10:55 GMT
aim for a vaguely representative democracy: Yes, the COVID-19 pandemic has changed American views on a national health care plan. I think with Biden we may actually get a good one. But I don't see the relevance of your link to our discussion. I only have a basic academic understanding of various forms of government and have only lived under the US system. If I understand the differences, I don't see the advantages of having Parliament controlling the chief executive, compared to our 3-part structure. Although I can see an advantage in a system that would allow an incompetent chief executive to be turfed out earlier than waiting for the next election cycle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 19:54:19 GMT
I had my first ever LED bulb fail on me today. The packaging claims they last 25 years. They do not last 25 years.
(To be fair, it's a light that I switch on and off a lot, and that's not good for any bulb.)
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Post by Forrest on Nov 12, 2020 20:20:10 GMT
@thematthew , I'm sorry about your LED bulb disappointment, but if it makes you feel any better I love reading your little anecdotes. You have a special way of telling them (in writing) that always makes me smile. (I can almost imagine you saying: "They do not last 25 years." in a serious, flat voice with a hint of cynical disappointment, which I know is absurd, since I have no idea what you sound like, but in my head is kind of awesome...)
I've taken the first half of the day off sick from work, and then managed to barely muddle through the remainder of it up to this point. Now I am stressed when I think about the pile of things I have to do tomorrow, and still feel so miserable that I'm considering watching Emilia online in the hope that it can save the day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 21:30:04 GMT
I can almost imagine you saying: "They do not last 25 years." in a serious, flat voice with a hint of cynical disappointment That's exactly the tone I had in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 10:04:23 GMT
Dominic Cummings is to step down, Biden takes Arizona, US election officials reject Trump's claims of fraud. This Friday the 13th is starting well.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 13, 2020 19:01:42 GMT
Feeling very guilty after inadvertantly breaking one of the lockdown rules. My mother & I were out for a walk today and bumped into my aunt & uncle doing likewise, so we stopped for a short, socially-distanced conversation. It was only as we were parting that it suddenly occurred to me that you are only allowed to meet one person from outside your household outdoors. I want to report myself to the police for breaking the rules but my mother won't let me.
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Post by alece10 on Nov 13, 2020 20:22:16 GMT
Feeling very guilty after inadvertantly breaking one of the lockdown rules. My mother & I were out for a walk today and bumped into my aunt & uncle doing likewise, so we stopped for a short, socially-distanced conversation. It was only as we were parting that it suddenly occurred to me that you are only allowed to meet one person from outside your household outdoors. I want to report myself to the police for breaking the rules but my mother won't let me. But isn't it daft that you can meet with 50 other people with no social distancing on a tube train or bus and work in an office with other people and have difficulty socially distancing all day or shop in Tresco and not be distanced but you can't meet and socially distance with more than 1 person in the street if you know them. Someone please explain the logic to me.
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Post by Forrest on Nov 13, 2020 20:27:52 GMT
Dawnstar, I don't think the police would know what to do with you if you did turn yourself in. Also, I think your mother is right: there was no intent to meet on either side, so technically you haven't done anything wrong. You just accidentally bumped into someone, exchanged a few words as it would have been rude not to, and moved on. :) My work day ended on such a positive note, and I made pancakes for dinner to make the overall day even better, because why not?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 20:52:34 GMT
But isn't it daft that you can meet with 50 other people with no social distancing on a tube train or bus and work in an office with other people and have difficulty socially distancing all day or shop in Tresco and not be distanced but you can't meet and socially distance with more than 1 person in the street if you know them. Someone please explain the logic to me. OK. I'll bite.
There is no such thing as a safe contact with another person. There is always a risk. The only way we could be perfectly safe is if nobody ever came close to anyone else. But that's obviously not practical: every business would come to a complete halt and everyone would starve to death, and that would generally be considered to be somewhat undesirable. Some contact has to be permitted, but a balance has to be drawn between safety and economic benefit.
Going shopping has a low risk and a high economic benefit, so it's allowed. Commuting to work has a higher risk but a higher economic benefit, so it's also allowed. Meeting your friends and having a chat has an extremely high risk and zero economic benefit, so it isn't allowed. We must get the reproduction rate of this disease below 1 and the restrictions are trying to do that with the lowest possible damage to the economy. Anything that increases the risk pointlessly has to go. Meeting even one person is already a concession that we'd be better off without.
Why does meeting friends carry an extremely high risk? Because humans are absolutely abysmal at judging risk. If people feel safe they assume they are safe and they don't bother with precautions, and when people are with familiar faces in familiar places they feel safe. But the virus doesn't care whether you're with a friend or a stranger, and with the former you're likely to be closer for longer and not bother with a mask so you're actually at far greater risk than standing near a mask-wearing stranger in a shop for a minute or two.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 13, 2020 21:06:50 GMT
@dawnster as @forrest says you didn't meet anyone, by chance you bumped into people.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 13, 2020 22:00:13 GMT
But isn't it daft that you can meet with 50 other people with no social distancing on a tube train or bus and work in an office with other people and have difficulty socially distancing all day or shop in Tresco and not be distanced but you can't meet and socially distance with more than 1 person in the street if you know them. Someone please explain the logic to me. OK. I'll bite.
There is no such thing as a safe contact with another person. There is always a risk. The only way we could be perfectly safe is if nobody ever came close to anyone else. But that's obviously not practical: every business would come to a complete halt and everyone would starve to death, and that would generally be considered to be somewhat undesirable. Some contact has to be permitted, but a balance has to be drawn between safety and economic benefit.
Going shopping has a low risk and a high economic benefit, so it's allowed. Commuting to work has a higher risk but a higher economic benefit, so it's also allowed. Meeting your friends and having a chat has an extremely high risk and zero economic benefit, so it isn't allowed. We must get the reproduction rate of this disease below 1 and the restrictions are trying to do that with the lowest possible damage to the economy. Anything that increases the risk pointlessly has to go. Meeting even one person is already a concession that we'd be better off without.
Why does meeting friends carry an extremely high risk? Because humans are absolutely abysmal at judging risk. If people feel safe they assume they are safe and they don't bother with precautions, and when people are with familiar faces in familiar places they feel safe. But the virus doesn't care whether you're with a friend or a stranger, and with the former you're likely to be closer for longer and not bother with a mask so you're actually at far greater risk than standing near a mask-wearing stranger in a shop for a minute or two.
I should perhaps say that my aunt & uncle were both wearing masks, my mother had her scarf over her face, & I made sure I kept well away. I haven't been to work or into any shops since mid-March. In fact before today the only person outside my household I have had a (brief) face-to-face conversation with in about 2 months was a Sainsbury's delivery driver last week when there was a problem with leaking fabric conditioner. I don't even like walking past people when out walking. I spend a lot of time on walks dashing off paths into undergrowth to keep 2m away from people. I am really trying.
The meeting one person from another household is also confusing depending on which way you look at it. On Monday my mother is meeting a friend to walk round a local National Trust garden. I can't work out if I'm allowed to join her or not. From our point of view we would be meeting one person from another household, which is allowed. But from my mother's friend's point of view she'd be meeting 2 people from another household, which isn't allowed. So the same meeting could be both legal & illegal depending on which way you look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 0:03:36 GMT
But isn't it daft that you can meet with 50 other people with no social distancing on a tube train or bus and work in an office with other people and have difficulty socially distancing all day or shop in Tresco and not be distanced but you can't meet and socially distance with more than 1 person in the street if you know them. Someone please explain the logic to me. OK. I'll bite.
There is no such thing as a safe contact with another person. There is always a risk. The only way we could be perfectly safe is if nobody ever came close to anyone else. But that's obviously not practical: every business would come to a complete halt and everyone would starve to death, and that would generally be considered to be somewhat undesirable. Some contact has to be permitted, but a balance has to be drawn between safety and economic benefit.
Going shopping has a low risk and a high economic benefit, so it's allowed. Commuting to work has a higher risk but a higher economic benefit, so it's also allowed. Meeting your friends and having a chat has an extremely high risk and zero economic benefit, so it isn't allowed. We must get the reproduction rate of this disease below 1 and the restrictions are trying to do that with the lowest possible damage to the economy. Anything that increases the risk pointlessly has to go. Meeting even one person is already a concession that we'd be better off without.
Why does meeting friends carry an extremely high risk? Because humans are absolutely abysmal at judging risk. If people feel safe they assume they are safe and they don't bother with precautions, and when people are with familiar faces in familiar places they feel safe. But the virus doesn't care whether you're with a friend or a stranger, and with the former you're likely to be closer for longer and not bother with a mask so you're actually at far greater risk than standing near a mask-wearing stranger in a shop for a minute or two.
But you haven't answered the question about why it is illegal to have a socially distanced conversation between two groups of two people but not a group of two and a single person. There is no difference if the two groups are each a household and keeping their distance, yet one is allowed but the other is not. There is no different economic benefit there. It is arbitrary and unnecessary if social distancing is being practised.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 6:14:17 GMT
OK. I'll bite.
There is no such thing as a safe contact with another person. There is always a risk. The only way we could be perfectly safe is if nobody ever came close to anyone else. But that's obviously not practical: every business would come to a complete halt and everyone would starve to death, and that would generally be considered to be somewhat undesirable. Some contact has to be permitted, but a balance has to be drawn between safety and economic benefit.
Going shopping has a low risk and a high economic benefit, so it's allowed. Commuting to work has a higher risk but a higher economic benefit, so it's also allowed. Meeting your friends and having a chat has an extremely high risk and zero economic benefit, so it isn't allowed. We must get the reproduction rate of this disease below 1 and the restrictions are trying to do that with the lowest possible damage to the economy. Anything that increases the risk pointlessly has to go. Meeting even one person is already a concession that we'd be better off without.
Why does meeting friends carry an extremely high risk? Because humans are absolutely abysmal at judging risk. If people feel safe they assume they are safe and they don't bother with precautions, and when people are with familiar faces in familiar places they feel safe. But the virus doesn't care whether you're with a friend or a stranger, and with the former you're likely to be closer for longer and not bother with a mask so you're actually at far greater risk than standing near a mask-wearing stranger in a shop for a minute or two.
But you haven't answered the question about why it is illegal to have a socially distanced conversation between two groups of two people but not a group of two and a single person. There is no difference if the two groups are each a household and keeping their distance, yet one is allowed but the other is not. There is no different economic benefit there. It is arbitrary and unnecessary if social distancing is being practised. I don't know why the government chose that particular limit, but there has to be a limit somewhere and that's the one they've chosen. I presume it's because they think it would be ridiculous if people can't talk to anyone and a simple "Hi" or "How do I get to...?" in passing would be illegal, but you'd have to ask the government themselves why they went for that exact situation. All I'm trying to do is explain the flaw in reasoning "If I'm allowed to encounter other people when I'm shopping that must mean there's no danger to meeting other people so I should be able to meet as many as I choose". It's never been a matter of "this is safe", and anyone thinking that way needs to stop.
You're right that it's arbitrary, but all laws are arbitrary. That doesn't make them stupid or wrong. You might as well ask why it's legal to have sex when you're 5844 days old but not 5843, or why an English road with street lights 183m apart is a restricted road and subject to a 30 mph limit while one with lights further apart isn't, or why in Scotland that boundary is 185m. Whenever you have a restriction that restriction is always going to have a boundary between when it applies and when it doesn't apply, and whenever you have a boundary you are going to have people claiming it's stupid because what they want to do is slightly on the wrong side of the boundary. Why was that particular boundary chosen? Who knows? The people who chose it, that's who. They had their reasons, and the fact that other people don't know those reasons doesn't invalidate the choice.
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Post by olliebean on Nov 14, 2020 8:20:07 GMT
But you haven't answered the question about why it is illegal to have a socially distanced conversation between two groups of two people but not a group of two and a single person. There is no difference if the two groups are each a household and keeping their distance, yet one is allowed but the other is not. There is no different economic benefit there. It is arbitrary and unnecessary if social distancing is being practised. As far as I am aware, the only situation in which it is legal for two or more people from one household to meet a single person from another household in the way you describe is if the two households are in a social bubble. This is only allowed if one of the households has only one person in it, and the reason for this concession is not arbitrary - it's so that people who live on their own don't end up completely socially isolated during the lockdown.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 14, 2020 12:42:16 GMT
This morning on the lidl app I got a stonking 25p off my next shop. Then I did two pilates classes on YouTube, free obviously. I now wonder how much more money this Yorkshireman will save this afternoon...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:34:45 GMT
I want to buy a new torch so I've been looking around for places that sell the model I want. Every single one of them seems to be out of stock. I don't know whether it's Covid-19 affecting international freight but it seems remarkable that nobody in Europe has a supply. I could order directly from the US manufacturer, but if there are shipping problems that just means I'll still have the same problem.
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Post by CG on the loose on Nov 15, 2020 0:25:04 GMT
OK. I'll bite.
There is no such thing as a safe contact with another person. There is always a risk. The only way we could be perfectly safe is if nobody ever came close to anyone else. But that's obviously not practical: every business would come to a complete halt and everyone would starve to death, and that would generally be considered to be somewhat undesirable. Some contact has to be permitted, but a balance has to be drawn between safety and economic benefit.
Going shopping has a low risk and a high economic benefit, so it's allowed. Commuting to work has a higher risk but a higher economic benefit, so it's also allowed. Meeting your friends and having a chat has an extremely high risk and zero economic benefit, so it isn't allowed. We must get the reproduction rate of this disease below 1 and the restrictions are trying to do that with the lowest possible damage to the economy. Anything that increases the risk pointlessly has to go. Meeting even one person is already a concession that we'd be better off without.
Why does meeting friends carry an extremely high risk? Because humans are absolutely abysmal at judging risk. If people feel safe they assume they are safe and they don't bother with precautions, and when people are with familiar faces in familiar places they feel safe. But the virus doesn't care whether you're with a friend or a stranger, and with the former you're likely to be closer for longer and not bother with a mask so you're actually at far greater risk than standing near a mask-wearing stranger in a shop for a minute or two.
But you haven't answered the question about why it is illegal to have a socially distanced conversation between two groups of two people but not a group of two and a single person. There is no difference if the two groups are each a household and keeping their distance, yet one is allowed but the other is not. There is no different economic benefit there. It is arbitrary and unnecessary if social distancing is being practised. The relevant rule is that you can exercise or visit a public outdoor space: - by yourself - with the people you live with - with your support bubble - or, when on your own, 1 person from another household So it's as illegal to have a socially distanced conversation between a group of two people and a single person as it is between two groups of two people. I won't go into whether that makes any sense, but there it is.
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Post by peggs on Nov 15, 2020 15:05:45 GMT
So my wellies definitely have a hole in them! Had rained much more over night than I'd realised, flooded streams and mud just begging me to fall over flat in it. The upside being that once you have wet feet you can just stomp through all the water as there's a limit to how much water you can get.
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Post by Forrest on Nov 15, 2020 18:22:01 GMT
peggs , I do not have wellies (yet!) but I can give you a virtual high five on the wet feet front. Well, not today, since I've basically spent the day in bed (I know...), but I went for a walk with a friend yesterday and not only did it rain on us the whole way from Russel Square to Borough Market and back, but I managed to step into a gigantic puddle on the Southbank in my Adidas Stan Smith trainers, which meant my feet were wet for the rest of the walk and the rest of the afternoon. I am possibly the world's clumsiest person, yes.
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Post by peggs on Nov 15, 2020 21:39:23 GMT
I am possibly the world's clumsiest person, yes. I'm the sort of person who always manages to park in the parking space that means you get out into a large puddle. It's a skill.
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Post by sfsusan on Nov 16, 2020 12:22:40 GMT
I'm the sort of person who always manages to park in the parking space that means you get out into a large puddle. It's a skill. I think it's a design feature of parking lots, to have a little dip by the driver's side door. Maybe the UK should hire US architects, as at least that way, the puddle will be on the passenger side.
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 17, 2020 11:04:13 GMT
Did you catch the news headlines this morning, peggs? Seems you owe your mother an apology...kinda. Not toothpaste, but researchers at Cardiff University have established that, under laboratory conditions, mouthwash kills CV in 30 seconds. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54971650Perhaps you should stock up on lightbulbs after all! 🙂
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