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Post by Boob on Dec 24, 2017 14:09:00 GMT
This seems to have divided opinions, hadn't it? Did anyone else get the irony that the main adult characters were portrayed by puppets and the puppets were played by real people? It’s difficult to miss, but sadly it doesn’t work dramatically.
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Post by dippy on Dec 24, 2017 14:28:08 GMT
Did anyone else get the irony that the main adult characters were portrayed by puppets and the puppets were played by real people? Of course, I just don't think it works as well as they were hoping it would and I'd have much preferred it the other way round.
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Post by argon on Dec 24, 2017 14:59:08 GMT
Does anybody know why the puppets didn't have articulating mouths ( high artistic skill required?).
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Post by crabtree on Dec 24, 2017 15:21:40 GMT
yep, the irony of course, but isn't it also about the story being told from Pinocchio's point of view and we, the audience, are down with his scale. the adults are of course bigger to him, and us.
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Post by Boob on Dec 24, 2017 19:48:10 GMT
The problem is that Pinocchio is essentially Gepetto’s story, but told through the puppet that he wishes was his son. The payoff, therefore, is tricky whichever way you play it. Inherent problems in dramatising the story that this version doesn’t resolve.
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Post by musicalmarge on Dec 24, 2017 21:07:09 GMT
imagine Avenue Q if the puppets mouths didn’t open. What an odd choice!!! It brings them alive.
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Post by crabtree on Dec 25, 2017 11:28:13 GMT
but if the puppet starts becoming to literal, with moving mouths and all that, it stops becoming a puppet, a metaphor, a catalyst, a conduit. I remember Handspring drew the line at blinking eyes on Joey the horse.
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Post by foxa on Dec 29, 2017 10:40:45 GMT
This had some very good things about it - we liked the huge puppets, particularly the Coachman and Stromboli - their huge size emphasizing their huge awfulness - and the tricks. We were in Row A and still couldn't figure out how they did some of them. There were good performances from Audrey Brisson as Jemininy (though oddly the cricket has been turned into an self-proclaimed OCD-sufferer and nag, instead of offering the homespun wisdom of the Disney version - with some flat jokes about gluten and such thrown in); as well as the performers (sorry can't find my cast list) who played the Fox (very good opening from him) and the Blue Fairy. I agree with those above who say that the actor playing Pinocchio didn't work - a grown man, half-naked, and not convincingly innocent. I also agree that the sparse songs made it feel more like a play with a few songs than a musical. But I certainly wouldn't put this down as a flop and my companion loved the Pleasure Island sequence. However, the reaction from the audience throughout was subdued - very few laughs or other reactions - so in terms of a family show it may have missed it mark.
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Post by dippy on Dec 29, 2017 11:00:57 GMT
I agree with those above who say that the actor playing Pinocchio didn't work - a grown man, half-naked, and not convincingly innocent. The only way I will go back and see this again is if Jack Wolfe is on as Pinocchio, he played Louis Braille very well in the Braille Legacy and I have a feeling I'd possibly enjoy the show more if he's on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 11:58:44 GMT
I agree with those above who say that the actor playing Pinocchio didn't work - a grown man, half-naked, and not convincingly innocent. You make that sound like it's a bad thing.
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Post by foxa on Dec 29, 2017 12:28:05 GMT
I agree with those above who say that the actor playing Pinocchio didn't work - a grown man, half-naked, and not convincingly innocent. You make that sound like it's a bad thing. Ha - I realised after I posted it that I made it sound like he was a member of the Chippendales. I hadn't realised that Jack Wolfe was the understudy - I bet he would be good in the part - but still give him a little short-sleeved shirt.
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Post by appoul on Dec 29, 2017 14:22:03 GMT
I managed to get a rush ticket at 20 pounds. Circle, row G. Is the view good from there for this show?
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Post by ptwest on Dec 30, 2017 15:02:23 GMT
I’m going to this tonight - it has to be said with a little bit of trepidation... but hopefully we will enjoy ourselves!
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Post by Dr Tom on Dec 30, 2017 23:36:39 GMT
I managed to get a rush ticket at 20 pounds. Circle, row G. Is the view good from there for this show? You'll be able to report back by now, but having watched the show from the Slip seats, I'd say that the upper level is the best place to take this in. Circle Row G should be a good view.
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Post by ptwest on Dec 31, 2017 18:25:14 GMT
I enjoyed this overall but it was by no means flawless - not sure who it was aimed at really, a bit dark and abstract for children but not really pitched for adults either. Good performances but would need a lot of reworking if it were to have a life beyond this run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 12:59:39 GMT
I rather liked this and thought it was one of the better NT Xmas offerings of the past few years. Having read the comments, I wonder if the people who didn't like it were expecting a big WE/Broadway version and were disappointed to not get it? I really liked the staging and thought it was beautifully lit throughout; I much prefer the NT approach over big budget Lion King type productions that leave no room for you to fill in the dots with your own imagination, but if that's what you were looking for you probably would think this looked 'cheap'.
Agree that the puppets were a bit of a problem - puppets can definitely convey emotion but these didn't (Gepetto just looked constipated throughout). I thought the same about the Barbican Midsummer Night's Dream a few years ago - the puppets didn't convey any emotion or thoughts and the production really suffered as a result.
The biggest problem for me was the fact that the relationship between Pinocchio and Gepetto was never established; P just got created and then buggered off. So the basic premise that he wanted to get home to his 'father' who was missing him never took off and as a result it just meandered from one scene to another; I didn't care whether he made it home or not and I didn't feel like he did either. In fact, none of the relationships really took off - the Cricket was was clearly supposed to be humorous but wasn't particularly and again there was no sense of any believable emotion between her and Pinocchio.
But it all went past perfectly entertainingly and I didn't resent spending my time and money on it. I would imagine that it would be a nice outing for kids and a good intro to the theatre. Though I doubt theatregoing was a rarity for many of the spoilt demanding brats I had the joy of sharing the evening with.
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Post by andrew on Jan 2, 2018 22:09:25 GMT
I’ve caught this a bit late in the game, but I think the overall criticisms that have been borne out several times on here stand to be true, in particular for me the lack of appropriately positioned songs. I did notice too as Abby says the lack of emotional depth that you can achieve from large, unmoving faces, and this caused me for a lot of the show to look down to the actors below to try and maintain and emotional connection with the character.
Overall though I went in not expecting the earth (despite having high aspirations when the show was announced) and I was pleasantly surprised. There’s a lot of heart, a lot of fun and I got a bit teary at the end, which is a relatively big achievement for a show. With a lot of work I wouldn’t mind this returning some day, it’s a little bit different to the average musical, and I had a good night.
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Post by raiseitup on Jan 6, 2018 22:50:26 GMT
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Post by Dr Tom on Jan 7, 2018 1:07:54 GMT
Can't read back all 22 pages, but a reminder / re-post, that if you have an Amex card, you get your programme free, either from the book shop or any usher. Thanks, that's new to me (although not sure if I'd go back). Had enough last time with one of the merchandise workers staring at me trying to take one of the "free" cast lists.
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Post by musicalmarge on Jan 12, 2018 9:22:09 GMT
Finally saw this last night -
It needed more songs and didn’t know if it was a play or a musical (imagine Stiles and Drew attached to the project).
The set either looked amazing or too sparse and a big black stage (random ladders for no reason?).
The puppets worked mostly but not having their mouths move was a big mistake. They looked frozen.
Jiminey Cricket was wrong in everyway, not funny, too much talking, no top hat, miscast and why was he played by a woman?
The pleasure-island section in Act 2 was a mess. What was the Scottish girl Krankie doing punching everyone in the face? (The donkey transformation was cool).
Some of the effects and cast were amazing, some wonderful ideas but overall despite the good ending of humans needing pain and the puppet/human reversal - the production was kinda a mess (I can see the similarities to Harry Potter too).
If it had been more Disney/Mackintosh production, maybe in American accents, ten minutes less dialogue in both acts, and generally more of a musical - it might have worked better. 6/10.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 20:30:33 GMT
Jiminey Cricket was wrong in everyway, not funny, too much talking, no top hat, miscast and why was he played by a woman? And why not played by a cricket either?! Honestly... can they get nothing right?
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Post by musicalmarge on Jan 13, 2018 0:29:22 GMT
Jiminey Cricket was wrong in everyway, not funny, too much talking, no top hat, miscast and why was he played by a woman? And why not played by a cricket either?! Honestly... can they get nothing right? Ha ha zzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 0:51:14 GMT
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 2:00:16 GMT
If it had been more Disney/Mackintosh production, maybe in American accents, ten minutes less dialogue in both acts, and generally more of a musical - it might have worked better. 6/10. American accents for an Italian set show created in the UK? That doesn't make sense on any level. Yes, Disney have done it before but it always grates, Use the actor’s natural accent, that me that makes much more sense than pretending they are American. Do they perform them in, say Germany or Japan, with American accents, anyone know?
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jan 13, 2018 7:30:05 GMT
If it had been more Disney/Mackintosh production, maybe in American accents, ten minutes less dialogue in both acts, and generally more of a musical - it might have worked better. 6/10. American accents for an Italian set show created in the UK? That doesn't make sense on any level. Yes, Disney have done it before but it always grates, Use the actor’s natural accent, that me that makes much more sense than pretending they are American. Do they perform them in, say Germany or Japan, with American accents, anyone know? So essentially musicalmarge would like the Disney movie on stage? Maybe they should have just done a Singalonga Pinocchio in the Olivier instead?
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