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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 20:51:38 GMT
Yes of course replace her with someone with the necessary qualifications but who knows something about tv presentation, or who takes to it better than Shirley has. She is terrible. But from the rest of your comment are you suggesting that the other three judges don’t? I’m not arguing with that suggestion, I’ve long wondered how Bruno, Craig and Darcy are held up as experts to judge people. Yes they were experts in their own field but why would a ballerina know enough about a cha cha cha to be judgemental about a routine that pro latin dancer has produced! Or how it’s been danced. Darcey is good on posture - her comments about top line in ballroom are usually spot on, but she knows nothing about footwork. Bruno generally talks a load of nonsense and ignores technique. Craig has gained more technical knowledge over the years but still talks utter rubbish sometimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 20:56:07 GMT
I know people are complaining about contestants with previous dance experience, but I would watch the hell out of a season where it’s just the likes of Faye and Ashley doing amazing dances each week. I don’t want to see Susanna stomping around like your aunt at a wedding.
I want SPECTACULAR and I think Faye delivered that, week after week. We deserve a Strictly:The Professionals spin off.
(Random thoughts; I was glad to see Danny in the group dance, Charles was robbed and Joe just gives me the willies. And not in a good way.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 20:59:11 GMT
Get rid of Shirley Get rid of whoever has been in charge No. Not unless she is replaced by another ballroom/Latin professional. She is the only judge who actually knows what the technique should be (even if she then sometimes ignores it). As a woman in her 40’s, I love seeing Shirley each week. Her styling, her grace. She really does it for me. Big thank you to whoever shared the video of her and Corky btw. Young Shirley gave me all the feelings. I have no idea how she bears sitting next to Bruno though. He’s like a little yappy dog on heat. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 16, 2018 21:19:47 GMT
No. Not unless she is replaced by another ballroom/Latin professional. She is the only judge who actually knows what the technique should be (even if she then sometimes ignores it). As a woman in her 40’s, I love seeing Shirley each week. Her styling, her grace. She really does it for me. Big thank you to whoever shared the video of her and Corky btw. Young Shirley gave me all the feelings. I have no idea how she bears sitting next to Bruno though. He’s like a little yappy dog on heat. It was me who shared the Shirley/Corky vid. I still don’t like her though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 21:33:39 GMT
As a woman in her 40’s, I love seeing Shirley each week. Her styling, her grace. She really does it for me. Big thank you to whoever shared the video of her and Corky btw. Young Shirley gave me all the feelings. I have no idea how she bears sitting next to Bruno though. He’s like a little yappy dog on heat. It was me who shared the Shirley/Corky vid. I still don’t like her though. Well I still like you for sharing it! |
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Post by sophie92 on Dec 16, 2018 22:42:44 GMT
There’s the possibility of some changes happening next year, as there’ll be a new producer, but I’m not holding my breath!
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Post by wickedgrin on Dec 16, 2018 23:52:01 GMT
I suppose the issue is that with 12 million viewers (or whatever it is) there must be a feeling if it aint broke don't fix it! But I think without constant re-evaluation it's popularity will wane.
I always consider myself ahead of the curve (ahem) and felt this year that the format was looking tired. Casting is everything with the "celebs" - I felt this year that they lacked personality - possibly apart from Stacey which is why she probably won - she was by no means the best dancer!
There are only so many props, flying, pyros, revolving stages (which I thought was a dreadful idea - it nearly became a circus act!) they can throw at it before it becomes ridiculous - that all needs to be cut back.
Plus I really feel the presenters and the judges need changing. Bruno's antics and Craig's panto put downs are getting tiresome now!
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Post by lynette on Dec 17, 2018 0:20:20 GMT
What about different venues? So maybe less techie but closer to people, in hospitals or army camps or such like? And please better singers if we have to have them. I would rather have guest dancers from different areas of dance. And maybe the odd extra judge? How about they pick out the following week’s dance from a hat at the end of the programme?
Obviously not all at once but this time they introduced the choice dance which was silly because not everyone got to do it. So they are looking for a few new ideas.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 17, 2018 0:29:08 GMT
I would certainly welcome a back to basics approach. A real focus on technique and clear penalties for breaking the rules no matter who is dancing.
Cut back on the props. No more backing dancers. No dry ice/smoke on the floor to hide inaccurate footwork
Perhaps go for a twin-track scoring system - like in the good old days of Ice Dance - technical merit and artistic impression. That way you can reward those who excel in both - as well as acknowledging those who are entertaining but not yet technically adept.
It was a shame we got so few Argentine Tangos this year - would like to see that feature more prominently.
Cut back on the training videos and that sort of guff.
Make it properly about dance - the personalities will still shine through.
And find more celebs who have a limited dance background. No-one who has ever worked as a professional dancer (in any genre) should be a contestant ever again.
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Post by vdcni on Dec 17, 2018 8:50:57 GMT
To me this felt like a bit of a perfect storm of all the series ongoing problems; over theming of dances along with props and flying in, the move away from the classic ballroom and latin dances and dancers who can teach them, the comedy VT's and the score inflation (Stacey and Joe got more 10's than Jay McGuiness, Mark Ramprakash, Zoe Ball, Colin Jackson and Tom Chambers but could anyone honestly say they were any better) allied with a weak cast and lots of other controversies - Seann/Katya, the Danny bullying accusations, Vick suggesting dodgy goings on with her exit and the second year in a row a female contestant with past experience was singled out for abuse by the press and social media.
However for the first time in a while ratings wobbled this year and with a new producer next year we might see changes.
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Post by LaLuPone on Dec 17, 2018 10:15:06 GMT
Anyone else seen Joe’s post on instagram - “I may not have won the glitter ball, but I’ve won something a million times more special” - a picture of him and Dianne. It sounds awfully cynical of me but part of me wonders if it’s all to get back some of the limelight and exposure that he didn’t get from not winning. The whole caption is worded in a way that would cause so much speculation and attention.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 10:36:07 GMT
I thought the opposite about Joe - it seemed a far classier move to 'announce' they're dating or whatever (which I assume that means) post the show rather than during. And good luck to them, they seem sweet and ahem, they were both single going into it....
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 17, 2018 10:40:41 GMT
It has been clear for some time that Joe and Dianne became very close as a result of their time together. You only had to watch his vlogs to see this.
As far as I am aware, neither of them were in relationships at the start of this process - and so if they have found happiness with one another, that is great.
The timing doesn't strike me as cynical. They consistently avoided talking about their friendship/relationship in media interviews - their focus being on dance and the show. That seems the right way to play it. It isn't Love Island!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 11:17:31 GMT
The show can only be as good as the contestants and this year's crop wasn't vintage.
If Shirley and say Tess were ditched it could cause an outcry especially if they were for younger replacements. Shirley may know her stuff but doesn't have the TV experience that the other judges have and this shows. Anton should have been made Head Judge when Len retired, it kept the judging panel dynamic the same and he'd have been funny with Bruno and Craig.
Shirley might have been better being used as an expert on It Takes Two in hindsight.
Dropping Craig or Bruno or Darcy would be hard. Craig especially might speak out and Bruno everyone would feel sorry for. Darcy is hugely respected too so would be hard to justify replacing.
From the Dancers I think Anton needs to be given another role as in the group dances he looked out of place - one week the judges were in the routine and he was next to them and looked more their age than the other dancers.
I think sadly Kevin msy leave, Neil with the Seanngate thing might also go mutually plus he never had a pro partner, Johannes can move up. The rest I'd assume would be resigned.
With the girls after the Seann incident might Katya be in jeopardy, I hope not. Karen can be irritating but I think they'd want her to stay another year at least, Jeanette would only go if she wanted to start a family. Oti is doing the new BBC dancing show but I'd figure she'll be back. Luba can take a partner next year if one girl leaves or they have an extra male celeb and they the add another girl pro.
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Post by LaLuPone on Dec 17, 2018 12:20:42 GMT
Being honest I haven’t even been watching Strictly this year so probably if I actually had I would see the closeness and chemistry between Joe and Dianne. Really I was just thinking would it take away Stacey’s “moment” but I guess you’re both right that by announcing it the following day they did let Stacey have her moment.
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Post by duncan on Dec 17, 2018 12:37:47 GMT
They "announced" it as the tabloids had photos of them all over each other on Saturday night.
....and again, its NOT a dance contest, its an entertainment show that has dancing as the central focus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 12:55:27 GMT
Also it doesn't strike me as if Stacey is bothered either way about having her 'moment' or indeed even winning that much...just the exposure on the show and the 'for a laugh' element seemed to be why she was there.
And yes, I think Joe's putting it on Instagram, without being too blatant was a nice way to counter whatever the tabloids had planned.
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Post by foxa on Dec 17, 2018 16:58:18 GMT
I enjoyed this series. It wasn't, it's true, a vintage series where there was a well-known celebrity who made you look at them in an entirely new light (Ed Balls, for example) or new potential heart throbs (Harry Judd, Danny Mac, et al) but there were some lovely dances (Joe's first dance, his jive, was a really pleasant surprise; pretty much everything Faye did, Charles' street dance and his Samba.) When Stacey did her Minion dance, she said she hoped children at home would like it and I thought, yeah, they'd love it. It is the sort of show where generations can all sit around watching and discussing it - and there aren't tonnes of those out there. The values of the show are largely very positive: whatever level you are, if you put in the time and work hard, you can improve, etc. One reason why I couldn't begrudge Stacey her win is that I think she is a really positive role model for young girls.
Interesting to hear who other people want to go and who to stay - and it shows you how individual these things are, as my choices would be very different. I think Anton should gracefully retire and not be on the judging panel or It Takes Two. I really admire the other pros who try to show their celebrities off in the best possible light whereas he turns them into jokes and makes it all about him (making very clear they have messed up and trying to be funny, etc.) - he is by far my least favourite pro and has been so for a long time. I don't mind Shirley - and her styling is so much better this year than last. I like Claudia and have a soft spot for Tess, despite her awkwardness. I really like Karen, Oti and Katya and would be sad for any of them to go.
I think the idea of dancing in more locations could be fun. There must be some other famous ballrooms and other cities in Britain that could do with a little tourist bump.
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Post by lookingatthestars on Dec 18, 2018 21:41:32 GMT
I really like that idea of showcasing other ballrooms/cities. Strictly has done a lot to encourage interest in Ballroom and Latin dancing and there is a real opportunity to showcase dancing communities around the country.
I do love the showbiz/theatrical element to the show, but sometimes I feel that it over takes proceeding. Those pro numbers from the first few seasons had no props or major narratives, just 100% amazing dancing, and you couldn't take your eyes off it.
My hopes were high for Shirley but after 2 years I'm not warming to her. I feel like I dismiss her comments, despite her obvious expertise, as she comes across to me as a little frustrated or bitter and seems to judge a little too subjectivity, I never feel she is as impartial as she should be, being head judge.
But I'm looking forward to the Irish Dancing with the Stars in a few weeks, it's a lot of fun, and there never seems to be drama ( as of yet, its only series 3 ) and during 'Irish week ' the pros get together with Riverdance and do a fantastic group number. It's a highlight!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 18, 2018 23:10:25 GMT
I don't think Strictly would have the budget to do a whole series of extended outside broadcasts along the lines being suggested. You could run a separate series that was Dancing in the Regions - but I don't think it would be a live event.
Blackpool only exists as an element in the current format because of the need for studio space for Children in Need.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 18, 2018 23:37:44 GMT
My friend was asking m3 who Tess Daly actually was the other day so I took the trouble to do a bit of judicious googling. Here are some fun facts about Tess. Firstly, the woman is 49.  Seriously I would not have out her past 40. Secondly, she was a close friend of Quentin Crisp. Thirdly she is a germ phobic, which is rather at odds with her friendship with Quentin considering his views on cleaning. You live, you learn. |
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Post by TallPaul on Dec 20, 2018 14:46:38 GMT
Do we think Chris Evans was being serious when he announced himself as one of the 2019 celebrities? Perhaps he thought if he announced it first, then the BBC, despite him being a rival by that stage, would have no choice.
I know he's raised millions for Children in Need over the years, but he's never really been my cup of tea. At least I know who he is!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 15:13:14 GMT
My friend was asking m3 who Tess Daly actually was the other day so I took the trouble to do a bit of judicious googling. Here are some fun facts about Tess. Firstly, the woman is 49. Seriously I would not have out her past 40. Secondly, she was a close friend of Quentin Crisp. Thirdly she is a germ phobic, which is rather at odds with her friendship with Quentin considering his views on cleaning. You live, you learn. I believe her age was the subject of many a Popbitch mailout. Or rather, her lies about it. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 20, 2018 15:37:48 GMT
Has everyone seen the news that Chris Evans has announced that he has pretty much agreed to do the show next year??
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Post by theatreian on Dec 20, 2018 15:43:12 GMT
Yes it seems likely , also Alan Carr has been approached.
I cannot believe she is 49! I want what she's on.
Claudia will be 47 in January.
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