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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 13:16:12 GMT
When Kevin first came in I jokingly referred to it as the Kevin Clifton show with a lot seeming to be about him - his Mrs and Sister on the show.
He does seem to have got better the last couple of years though and maybe since the split from Karen.
Karen and Jeanette still think it is all about them and they have to hog the camera in the Interview Area.
I could understand Faye and Giovanni being a potentially more popular couple than Stacey and Kevin but the bookies don't seem to think that.
I wonder when Stacey receives her MBE she'll say "Alriggghtt your Madge, did you watch me and Kev and Striclyyy"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 14:09:05 GMT
I wonder when Stacey receives her MBE she'll say "Alriggghtt your Madge, did you watch me and Kev and Striclyyy" Oh I do hope so and good for her. She's never made any secret about her ordinary background. I think that's why she's so popular on the show, she seems completely and utterly genuine whether one likes her or not (which is where I think some other contestants struggle with). She's obviously having an absolute blast on the show and it's infectious. I agree with Tibidabo, I think she adores Kevin. She had always said he was her favourite and it was obvious that's who she wanted to be paired with. I think people like that she's come from a completely different background than the normal pop or acting route and is actually good and clearly enjoying it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 15:45:11 GMT
It is all a matter of taste and he is very much not mine. I don't doubt he can dance and train others. But I just seem to dread each of his routines because of the very Kevin-ness of it all. That is why some people like him - but it is also why I cannot stand him! I agree with you completely, and I find him and Stacey together almost unbearably irritating. I don't think she's anywhere near as good as her marks suggest, and as I fully believe she'll win by miles, we will therefore have another year where the best dancer doesn't win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:01:58 GMT
The show is about learning to dance. Ashley made her name as dancer/singer. The Pussycat Dolls were a dance group before they were pop stars. People want to see the celebs learn a dance and perform it well in a week, Ashley had all those skills before she started and that's not exciting, because you already know she can do it.
Stacey to win!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:33:39 GMT
The show is about learning to dance. Ashley made her name as dancer/singer. The Pussycat Dolls were a dance group before they were pop stars. People want to see the celebs learn a dance and perform it well in a week, Ashley had all those skills before she started and that's not exciting, because you already know she can do it. Stacey to win!! The show is about people learning to do ballroom and Latin American dancing, not dancing full stop.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 17:08:37 GMT
Dance style is irrelevant. She has already spent years in dance classes and studios. She knows how to pick up choreography and how to perform to huge crowds. And that contemporary dance was hardly brand new for her.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 2, 2018 18:17:22 GMT
Personally, I don't normally mind if they can dance a bit beforehand. It all adds to the mix. But Ashley (much as I love watching her) is maybe taking things a teeny step too far. And talking of Steps...I don't get the indifference for Faye. She's been one of my favourites since the beginning and I adore her partnership with Giovanni. (ThankYOU! ThankYOOOOOUUUU!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 18:37:24 GMT
Personally, I don't normally mind if they can dance a bit beforehand. It all adds to the mix. But Ashley (much as I love watching her) is maybe taking things a teeny step too far. And talking of Steps...I don't get the indifference for Faye. She's been one of my favourites since the beginning and I adore her partnership with Giovanni. (ThankYOU! ThankYOOOOOUUUU!) I think it's because I've never quite forgiven Faye for those awful blonde dreadlocks back in the old Steps days. And singing with Russell Watson. #CulturalAppropriation #WhatWasSheThinking? #SeriouslyFayeRussellWatson??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 19:01:46 GMT
It is all a matter of taste and he is very much not mine. I don't doubt he can dance and train others. But I just seem to dread each of his routines because of the very Kevin-ness of it all. That is why some people like him - but it is also why I cannot stand him! I agree with you completely, and I find him and Stacey together almost unbearably irritating. I don't think she's anywhere near as good as her marks suggest, and as I fully believe she'll win by miles, we will therefore have another year where the best dancer doesn't win. Kevin has said he looks at a dance and finds out which steps his partner can and cannot do and really pushes the ones they can to and maybe doesn't make them continue to try to learn ones they might struggle with. His reasoning being if judges see steps done well they have to mark those up and he may put filler around this so some of his routines may not have the content say Pasha has but he feels this way gets him and his partner the best marks they can.
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Post by talkstageytome on Dec 2, 2018 19:54:47 GMT
Literally watched the results show because of Adam Lambert... what talented man!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 20:07:25 GMT
Dance style is irrelevant. She has already spent years in dance classes and studios. She knows how to pick up choreography and how to perform to huge crowds. And that contemporary dance was hardly brand new for her. It isn't irrelevant - yes, no matter what the dance there is maybe an advantage in terms of picking up choreography (though some people's brains are just wired better to do that anyway), but dance styles are vastly different, so not all experience is good experience. For example, Debbie McGee's ballet experience helped in some ways (core strength) but hindered in others (she seemed incapable of doing a heel lead in any ballroom dance). And it's simply untrue to say that people with dance experience have an advantage in terms of performing in front of a crowd - anyone who has ever done live TV or theatre has that. People seem to blindly assume that dance experience is a good thing and is the only relevant experience, when in reality it is much more complex than that. The only purely advantageous experience is previous ballroom and Latin.
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Post by ptwest on Dec 2, 2018 20:21:28 GMT
People do like the "journey" which I think accounts for a lot of the lack of support for Ashley. I like good dancing which I why I continue to vote for her. One of the joys of strictly is seeing those celebrities who have never danced before continuously improve, but in my opinion by the time you get to the semi final stage it should be the best dancers that are left. This year there is a good mix of those who have danced before, and those who haven't who have reached that stage.
Previous dance experience didn't help Lee Ryan!
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 2, 2018 20:21:52 GMT
And singing with Russell Watson. Nope. That one has totally passed me by. No idea what you're talking about. (Presumably @ryan's scuttling down to the basement and dusting off his copy of this as I type...)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 20:36:25 GMT
And singing with Russell Watson. Nope. That one has totally passed me by. No idea what you're talking about. (Presumably @ryan 's scuttling down to the basement and dusting off his copy of this as I type...) You asked for it. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 2, 2018 20:48:29 GMT
You asked for it. Don't say I didn't warn you. Yeah, I kind of did! Could have been worse you know - she could have been singing in the same indeterminate language as Russell. Took me two listens to determine that it's a kind of Northern Italian....I think...? (And I'm not talking northern Italy here! ) Makes me look on Giovanni's yodelling in a whole different light.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 21:54:56 GMT
Personally, I don't normally mind if they can dance a bit beforehand. It all adds to the mix. But Ashley (much as I love watching her) is maybe taking things a teeny step too far. And talking of Steps...I don't get the indifference for Faye. She's been one of my favourites since the beginning and I adore her partnership with Giovanni. (ThankYOU! ThankYOOOOOUUUU!) I think it's because I've never quite forgiven Faye for those awful blonde dreadlocks back in the old Steps days. And singing with Russell Watson. #CulturalAppropriation #WhatWasSheThinking? #SeriouslyFayeRussellWatson?? The blonde dreadlocks were tragic although I think any white person with dreadlocks does look right, nothing to do with culture just don't think they look right. Faye has certainly aged well over the last 20 years.
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 3, 2018 10:46:57 GMT
Literally watched the results show because of Adam Lambert... what talented man! But it once again just showed how disrespectful it is to the guest singers on the Strictly results show to make then share the stage with a pair of professional dancers. I know it is the format of the show but I found it particularly annoying last night when so much prominence was given to the dancers while I wanted to concentrate on enjoying Adam Lambert's performance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 12:16:30 GMT
Literally watched the results show because of Adam Lambert... what talented man! But it once again just showed how disrespectful it is to the guest singers on the Strictly results show to make then share the stage with a pair of professional dancers. I know it is the format of the show but I found it particularly annoying last night when so much prominence was given to the dancers while I wanted to concentrate on enjoying Adam Lambert's performance. And I would much rather watch the dancers and get annoyed when they cut back to the guest singer!
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Post by daisy24601 on Dec 3, 2018 13:09:23 GMT
Who was singing I Dreamed A Dream?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 15:54:59 GMT
Who was singing I Dreamed A Dream? Sounded like Hayley to me, Andrea does the more soulful numbers although they had that younger girl with the short blonde hair on a few weeks. Hayley and Tommy seem to be the only two permanent singers on every week.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 3, 2018 16:44:05 GMT
Literally watched the results show because of Adam Lambert... what talented man! But it once again just showed how disrespectful it is to the guest singers on the Strictly results show to make then share the stage with a pair of professional dancers. I know it is the format of the show but I found it particularly annoying last night when so much prominence was given to the dancers while I wanted to concentrate on enjoying Adam Lambert's performance. I don't mind the occasional cut-away to the dancers, but the audience being made to whoop over Adam Lambert every time Neil lifted Katya 2 inches off the floor was taking the biscuit somewhat. I wish both the BBC and ITV would stop insisting on that - everyone in the audiences I've been in has hated having to do it...and hated it even more during the re-takes when forced to do it again because we hadn't whooped loudly enough the first time. Leave it to the Xcraptster where it's necessary to drown out the caterwauling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 16:45:01 GMT
Previous dance experience didn't help Lee Ryan! I think simply being Lee Ryan didn't help Lee Ryan.
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Post by karloscar on Dec 3, 2018 21:28:21 GMT
I thought they were more respectful to Adam Lambert than they've been to other singers this season. He got the opening verse and a whole chorus just before the finale with no dance interruption or stupid whooping. More than most people get.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:11:11 GMT
I thought they were more respectful to Adam Lambert than they've been to other singers this season. He got the opening verse and a whole chorus just before the finale with no dance interruption or stupid whooping. More than most people get. I wonder if any musical guests have refused to have dancers on accompanying them. As said above far bigger names than Adam Lambert have been whopped over when a couple of pro dancers come on. I see they didn't risk Nadiya dancing to Rod Stewart number given his record with blondes. I wonder if the musical guest is asked to applaud the dancers back or not as I can remember even the legendary Neil Diamond applauding the dancers back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 8:13:22 GMT
I thought they were more respectful to Adam Lambert than they've been to other singers this season. He got the opening verse and a whole chorus just before the finale with no dance interruption or stupid whooping. More than most people get. I wonder if any musical guests have refused to have dancers on accompanying them. As said above far bigger names than Adam Lambert have been whopped over when a couple of pro dancers come on. I see they didn't risk Nadiya dancing to Rod Stewart number given his record with blondes. I wonder if the musical guest is asked to applaud the dancers back or not as I can remember even the legendary Neil Diamond applauding the dancers back. I'd guess not. They will know the deal by agreeing to appear on the show. I'd imagine the majority of guest don't need to be asked, it's a respectful thing to do and most of the acts appearing on the show probably appreciate the dancers enough to want to applaud instinctively. They don't tend to get many really cool contemporary acts on the show.
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