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Post by rjschess on Jul 29, 2020 22:29:38 GMT
Could this maybe be the new version? Just a little bit of EDi fun. Part of the #EDinBearFestival Hope you enjoy.
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2020 22:38:50 GMT
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Post by phantom4ever on Jul 30, 2020 6:28:41 GMT
I think we can all agree that the London Phantom is being replaced by the new international/UK tour, which one might call "the brilliant original--almost"
Pictures have been posted on various social media of the costumes and the chandelier being loaded out. Can anyone confirm (with pictures) other set pieces being loaded out? Because a lot of the old set pieces would still be used for the new international tour version. It makes sense to load the costumes out because they'll get dirty with all the painting and cleaning they're probably going to do. And of course the chandelier is being replaced with the cheaper tour version, so it makes sense for that to leave too.
Does anyone know if the same fate is coming to the New York Phantom?
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Post by 10642 on Jul 30, 2020 6:56:09 GMT
I think Broadway has much stronger unions and labour laws that make it very difficult to make changes to the production, eg if they wanted to use more automation to employ less crew members. Not sure of the specifics but I know productions in the past have had to hire more people/ use less automation in order to meet these laws. I think there’s also a requirement about a “house minimum” number of people in the orchestra for each theatre? May not be current but I’ve heard of shows having to re-orchestrate their music for a larger number of people when they move to Broadway
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jul 30, 2020 11:37:17 GMT
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Post by anthony on Jul 30, 2020 11:48:28 GMT
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Post by theatremadness on Jul 30, 2020 11:56:07 GMT
I cannot believe this would ever be part of a wider PR stunt. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing!
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Post by indis on Jul 30, 2020 11:58:29 GMT
reading it with the sentence "longest-running musical" , do they really want to deceive themselves?thats les Mis dream on phantom, good that the show stays, but this is just a lie!#
alsoooo.. why saying it ends, today not, what is tomorrow? what is this bullsh...
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 30, 2020 12:01:54 GMT
reading it with the sentence "longest-running musical" , do they really want to deceive themselves?thats les Mis Yeah Les Mis, that closed, then re-opened with a new set and new creative team. Someone is definitely deceiving themselves...
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Post by anthony on Jul 30, 2020 12:01:55 GMT
reading it with the sentence "longest-running musical" , do they really want to deceive themselves?thats les Mis dream on phantom, good that the show stays, but this is just a lie!# alsoooo.. why saying it ends, today not, what is tomorrow? what is this bullsh... Phantom technically became the longest running West End musical last month. Les Mis closed and reopened a new production. The lie is Mackintosh's les mis PR spin That's another discussion, though...
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Post by indis on Jul 30, 2020 12:04:43 GMT
and? Phantom is also closing and re-opening, so les mis is still longer running
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Post by anthony on Jul 30, 2020 12:05:57 GMT
and? Phantom is also closing and re-opening, so les mis is still longer running Not entirely the point, but I'll bite: Phantom is closing after it overtook Les Mis' record. Phantom closing and reopening doesn't discard that feat.
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 12:06:02 GMT
Wait, so is it closing or not? It's a very he said, she said situation.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 30, 2020 12:06:29 GMT
and? Phantom is also closing and re-opening, so les mis is still longer running If it re-opens after COVID in its original form then it remains the same production. Les Mis started from Day 1 when it reopened.
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Post by indis on Jul 30, 2020 12:07:48 GMT
why? its still les mis, just an other set - the show itself is the same
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Post by anthony on Jul 30, 2020 12:09:19 GMT
why? its still les mis, just an other set - the show itself is the same Because it closed and reopened a with an entirely new production. Not sure if you're being purposefully obtuse or not.................
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 30, 2020 12:09:49 GMT
why? its still les mis, just an other set - the show itself is the same It’s not though, but it’s clear you don’t understand the difference, so we’ll leave it at that.
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Post by indis on Jul 30, 2020 12:10:57 GMT
yes, we should leave it, its still the same music, so its still Les Mis
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Post by 10642 on Jul 30, 2020 12:12:23 GMT
In reality both the original runs of Phantom and Les Mis had gaps. Les mis changed theatres several times and Phantom has closed a least once for a week to install new sound. What counts as continuously running, how big a gap can you have? Covid obviously interrupted all runs and with productions starting up at different times how does that affect longest running comparisons? If mouse trap reopens in october and les mis not until at least 2021 and phantom later... Do you pick an arbitrary date to count as the west end reopening and if a production hasn’t reopened it loses its run? Ultimately the whole longest running thing is just a marketing ploy and can be manipulated eg Cammack with Les Mis. Would be interesting if the World record was changed
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 12:12:27 GMT
Does anyone have full access to the article from The Stage? What exactly have RUG said?
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Post by indis on Jul 30, 2020 12:12:39 GMT
why? its still les mis, just an other set - the show itself is the same Because it closed and reopened a with an entirely new production. Not sure if you're being purposefully obtuse or not................. no need to be that inpolite , you have your view and i have mine!
the last time i was in this forum it was discussed it continues counting , so i am still counting too!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 12:22:28 GMT
Yes, finally. This is all it required. A transparent, official statement. Does anyone have full access to the article from The Stage? What exactly have RUG said?
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 12:26:22 GMT
Yes, finally. This is all it required. A transparent, official statement. Does anyone have full access to the article from The Stage? What exactly have RUG said? Thank you very much!
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Post by richey on Jul 30, 2020 12:28:00 GMT
Well that pretty much clears it up... Unless Cam Mack now comes out with something different!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 30, 2020 12:29:45 GMT
Yes, finally. This is all it required. A transparent, official statement. Does anyone have full access to the article from The Stage? What exactly have RUG said? Hate to say I told you so but... 😌
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