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Post by Jan on Jul 19, 2024 12:44:33 GMT
For those interested The Norwegian Ibsen Company are making their annual visit to the Coronet 18th October to 2nd November with The Wild Duck. This will be surtitled. Their productions are always interesting but possibly best if you are already somewhat familiar with the play.
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Post by bee on Jul 19, 2024 16:53:34 GMT
I thought the last production they did at the Coronet, When We Dead Awaken, was very good so looking forward to this.
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Post by Jan on Jul 19, 2024 17:23:46 GMT
I thought the last production they did at the Coronet, When We Dead Awaken, was very good so looking forward to this. Agree. I think their last was Dance of Death though ? Their very best was Lady From The Sea which brilliantly combined English and Norwegian actors but they have all been worthwhile for Ibsen/Strindberg enthusiasts.
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Post by aspieandy on Jul 19, 2024 17:29:20 GMT
Last saw The Dance of Death at the Arcola (with Lindsay Duncan and husband) .. That was 2-years ago last week.
Not sure if I missed an Ibsen production at the Coronet.
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Post by Jan on Jul 19, 2024 17:38:19 GMT
Last saw The Dance of Death at the Arcola (with Lindsay Duncan and husband) .. That was 2-years ago last week. Not sure if I missed an Ibsen production at the Coronet. Yes I saw that one. An interesting version of that was at The Gate with Michael Pennington directed by Tom Littler which included the sequel in a single adaptation. I think the only Coronet/Norwegian Ibsen I missed was Little Eyolf.
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Post by bee on Jul 19, 2024 17:44:48 GMT
I've just googled some of these past productions. Turns out some were by the Ibsen company and some (Dance of Death Little Eyolf) were by the National Theatre of Norway. I'm a bit annoyed with myself that I missed them all but WWDA.
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Post by Jan on Jul 19, 2024 19:13:58 GMT
I've just googled some of these past productions. Turns out some were by the Ibsen company and some (Dance of Death Little Eyolf) were by the National Theatre of Norway. I'm a bit annoyed with myself that I missed them all but WWDA. I think somehow they were all the same company - the same actors appeared in several of them.
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Post by jake on Oct 5, 2024 13:05:00 GMT
I've just booked for this on the strength of the same theatre's interesting production of When We Dead Awaken a couple of years ago. In more ways than one it should be an antidote to the last The Wild Duck I saw - Robert Icke's extraordinarily self-indulgent effort at the Almeida. One of the more painful memories of that was Icke's making one of the characters lecture the audience on how unreasonable it was to expect an authentic production. One of his sophomoric arguments was that an 'authentic' production would have to be in Norwegian Danish (the idea that there could be anything like an accurate translation didn't seem to have occurred to him). Anyway, Robert: this is me going to a production in the original language (I hope you don't think surtitles is cheating too much). www.thecoronettheatre.com/whats-on/the-wild-duck/
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 5, 2024 13:11:10 GMT
I'm going. Can't wait. The Coronet is such a great venue.
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Post by Jan on Oct 5, 2024 17:39:29 GMT
I've just booked for this on the strength of the same theatre's interesting production of When We Dead Awaken a couple of years ago. In more ways than one it should be an antidote to the last The Wild Duck I saw - Robert Icke's extraordinarily self-indulgent effort at the Almeida. One of the more painful memories of that was Icke's making one of the characters lecture the audience on how unreasonable it was to expect an authentic production. One of his sophomoric arguments was that an 'authentic' production would have to be in Norwegian Danish (the idea that there could be anything like an accurate translation didn't seem to have occurred to him). Anyway, Robert: this is me going to a production in the original language (I hope you don't think surtitles is cheating too much). www.thecoronettheatre.com/whats-on/the-wild-duck/Yes that’s all true but even so I thought that the final key scenes in that production were brilliantly directed. They made his recent very pedestrian and very conservative direction of Henry IV all the more disappointing.
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Post by Dave B on Oct 19, 2024 23:26:41 GMT
Really enjoyed this.
The seats have had a bit of a refresh, much more cushioned and new upholstery (possibly even new seats, not quite sure) and there is a tiny bit more leg room. Not enough, I cannot physically fit into them so am reliant on picking my usual aisle seat but the most comfortable visit I have had there.
The production is slow and deliberate running pretty much bang on 3 hours. Slight issues with surtitles with a couple of obvious pauses and then speeding through some lines too fast to be read.
Minimal staging so all focus is on the cast and they are uniformly excellent. Short run but suspect will be a big hit for Coronet.
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Post by jake on Oct 20, 2024 7:54:20 GMT
Really enjoyed this. The seats have had a bit of a refresh, much more cushioned and new upholstery (possibly even new seats, not quite sure) and there is a tiny bit more leg room. Not enough, I cannot physically fit into them so am reliant on picking my usual aisle seat but the most comfortable visit I have had there. The production is slow and deliberate running pretty much bang on 3 hours. Slight issues with surtitles with a couple of obvious pauses and then speeding through some lines too fast to be read. Minimal staging so all focus is on the cast and they are uniformly excellent. Short run but suspect will be a big hit for Coronet. Thanks for this. It's an ideal write-up for my purposes - eloquently expressed opinion and very useful information while avoiding spoilers. I wonder if you could expand on the surtitles. The big problem at When We Dead Awaken wasn't speed or synchronisation but positioning. I'd expected something like the ROH with the translation displayed high above the action. Instead, we got a screen that seemed barely shoulder height and not even visible, let alone legible, if one of the characters was in your eyeline. How is it now? Is it better situated? How easy do you think it will be to read from the front row? It's not that big a deal for me; but if it's anything like the last time I probably need to advise my companion to read the play (or at least a synopsis) beforehand.
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Post by Dave B on Oct 20, 2024 9:04:36 GMT
I wonder if you could expand on the surtitles. Sure, there are three positions for them. All are at maybe seven, seven and a half foot above the stage so quite comfortable above the cast. There is a set straight on above centre stage and then a set on either side, the small set has been built at an angle so the side surtitles are easily read - at least on the one side the curve you are sitting on slants you towards. Behold my amazing image editing powers to give you a very rough idea, the red lines are where they will appear {Spoiler - click to view} I suspect no issue with them from any seat in the house and I assume they will have been working on the slight pacing issues
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Post by jake on Oct 20, 2024 12:25:12 GMT
I wonder if you could expand on the surtitles. Sure, there are three positions for them. All are at maybe seven, seven and a half foot above the stage so quite comfortable above the cast. There is a set straight on above centre stage and then a set on either side, the small set has been built at an angle so the side surtitles are easily read - at least on the one side the curve you are sitting on slants you towards. Behold my amazing image editing powers to give you a very rough idea, the red lines are where they will appear {Spoiler - click to view} I suspect no issue with them from any seat in the house and I assume they will have been working on the slight pacing issues Thanks. That looks much more practical than the arrangement for WWDA.
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Post by Jan on Oct 24, 2024 21:33:57 GMT
This is very good. Very straightforward but well acted and directed. Reminded me of the superlative Michael Grandage Donnar production. 4*
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Post by bordeaux on Oct 25, 2024 13:27:26 GMT
I'm surprised this doesn't have better publicity or backing or a more prestigious venue - if it's a major European theatre producing a classic play. Anyone know why that is? Sounds great, by the way, I'd love to see them.
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Post by Jan on Oct 25, 2024 19:46:32 GMT
I'm surprised this doesn't have better publicity or backing or a more prestigious venue - if it's a major European theatre producing a classic play. Anyone know why that is? Sounds great, by the way, I'd love to see them. The only theatres with any commitment to hosting foreign language productions are the Coronet and Barbican. I’ve always thought the NT should have developed links with European “national” theatres like the Comedie Francaise and hosted reciprocal short seasons of each other’s productions. But the simple fact is that the NT is not in the slightest bit interested in Europe, they’re too in thrall to the USA. I can think of two foreign language productions they’ve hosted in the past 40 years.
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Post by bee on Oct 30, 2024 7:38:17 GMT
I saw this last night. I struggled with the surtitles at first, the text was moving quite quickly so for the first half hour or so I was having to read those continually and wasn't really paying much attention to the actors. Eventually I managed to adapt, or possibly they just started speaking more slowly.
Anyway, this was excellent, a pretty straightforward rendition of the play by an excellent cast. I was especially impressed by Hermine Svortevik Oen (who apparently is still at school) as Hedvig.
I was worried by the 3 hour running time but it never felt like it was dragging. A really good production.
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Post by jake on Oct 31, 2024 20:25:59 GMT
This is very impressive. As always, of course, I can only speak for myself but, at the same time, I can point out that there didn’t seem to be any empty seats in the auditorium* and the audience genuinely seemed rapt throughout. I don’t usually like much messing about with a playwright’s creation and there’s no getting away from the fact that there are cuts here but they are reasonably – what’s the word – judicious. It must be said, though, that the cuts are hardly minor and occasionally I thought the narrative was slightly impeded** The performances we saw, though were top notch in my opinion. Of course, I don’t speak Norwegian so I suppose it’s possible the actors were fluffing their lines all over the place; but I don’t think so. And the body language and intonation were both gripping and, often, revelatory** The stripped back set worked very well. I usually like my period props but such an approach might have been impractical here – especially as most of us needed clear sight lines to the surtitles- which I found rather easier to see than I had for When We Dead Awaken. A period feel, anyway, is adequately conveyed by the largely homespun costumes. I’m quite surprised to see quite a few seats still available for Saturday’s last two performances. All I can do is recommend it and say it really deserves to sell out. In my comments on the Almeida’s Roots I made a bet with myself that the three hours at the Coronet would seem shorter than the hundred minutes at the Almeida. I think I won! *though I suspect there was at least one as, just before the start, someone complained rather audibly that he wouldn’t be able to last three hours in the Coronet’s seating and apologised, presumably for brushing past people on the way out. {Spoiler - click to view} It’s not just a matter of trimming the odd line or dispensing with minor silent characters from the ‘thirteen at table’ opening. Speaking characters like Molvik, Pettersen and Graberg do not appear. I couldn’t tell whether the production re-assigned some of their lines but the absence of Graberg does rather make old Ekdal’s first appearance a bit mysterious for people like my companion who have never seen or read the original.
The presentation, though, gave me deeper insights into a piece I thought I already knew quite well. To take two examples:
The presentation of Relling as a rather scruffy individual is something I don’t remember from other productions and it’s not the way I usually read the doctor’s character. But it makes sense of Gina’s distrust of his influence on Hjalmer and caused me to ponder on whether Relling’s enabling indulgence – of Molvik’s debauchery and Hjalmer’s self-delusion – isn’t potentially almost as dangerous as Gregers’s unbending idealism.
The way Gregers sometimes hovers over Hedvig is a bit risky in these times where we see possible sexual predation everywhere, but what it brought home to me was the extent to which he suddenly sees the girl as his half-sister and, had she survived, the possibility that he would have tried to run her life the way he did Hjalmer’s.
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Post by Jan on Nov 1, 2024 10:15:37 GMT
You make a good point about the cuts (which I assume were primarily for economic reasons to keep cast numbers lower) but what seemed surprising to me was that the running time was still 3 hrs which is what it is normally for the full text (for example the Almeida one even with Robert Icke’s additional bits and pieces).
When I was there some people left at the interval simply because the surtitle text was too small for them to read. The box office people said they’d already increased the font size during the run but it was still small. Surtitles have been an almost ever-present problem for these Coronet Norwegian productions for one reason or another. Odd as for Lady From The Sea they were very well done.
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Post by jake on Nov 1, 2024 14:43:57 GMT
You make a good point about the cuts (which I assume were primarily for economic reasons to keep cast numbers lower) but what seemed surprising to me was that the running time was still 3 hrs which is what it is normally for the full text (for example the Almeida one even with Robert Icke’s additional bits and pieces). When I was there some people left at the interval simply because the surtitle text was too small for them to read. The box office people said they’d already increased the font size during the run but it was still small. Surtitles have been an almost ever-present problem for these Coronet Norwegian productions for one reason or another. Odd as for Lady From The Sea they were very well done. Just a few thoughts - not meant to be in any way authoritative: 3 hours is generous estimate of the running time. We made sure we stayed for all the bows at the end but still we were on the platform at Notting Hill Gate by 2227. Another contrast with the Roots I saw the night before was that this production of The Wild Duck was very well ventilated. There were plenty of pauses - even the odd silence - and the delivery of the lines was never rushed. (Not to mention the (imo) overuse of that plinkety plonk music that told us something profound was happening - just in case we couldn't work it out for ourselves). The missing characters probably wouldn't have needed more than ten minutes to deliver their lines but the missing scene with Graaberg would have explained old Ekdal's need to interrupt Werle's dinner; and Pettersen, a boozing buddy of the old man, also gives us some background. Molvik says little but he is present at the brunch scene along with Gregers and Relling. (What intrigued me is the latter's description of Molvik as 'demonic' Given the doctor's own dishevelled appearance in this production, I couldn't help wondering what his 'demonic' housemate would have looked like had he been there!). Are we sure Icke didn't chop lines as well as adding his own self-indulgent tripe? I left that production at the interval - and I only stayed that long out of consideration for my fellow audience members. So I don't know if RI cut Ibsen's text to accommodate his own. (And before anyone asks: no, I don't regret missing the post-interval coup de theatre). As for the surtitles, you might well have a point. I was in the front row and had no problem but I can believe they might be less legible from the back of the auditorium.
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Post by Jan on Nov 1, 2024 15:45:01 GMT
The Michael Grandage Donmar production in which all the characters were present and correct ran 2:45. That production had a similar feel - Grandage had done 90% of the work before rehearsals even started because every single part was perfectly cast. The Doctor in that one was Nicholas le Prevost, so quite a different (more conventional) interpretation to this production.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 2, 2024 16:03:04 GMT
The subtitles came thick and fast which created a challenge and my two friends bailed in the interval. I enjoyed it. Fantastic acting
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Post by jake on Nov 2, 2024 16:31:10 GMT
The subtitles came thick and fast which created a challenge and my two friends bailed in the interval. I enjoyed it. Fantastic acting Were the surtitles really any quicker than cinema subtitles? I had the dual advantages of knowing the plot in advance and being used to opera surtitles over the last few decades. My companion, who had neither of those advantages, had no problems - but he does see a fair bit of foreign language cinema. These wouldn't be your friends, by any chance?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 2, 2024 16:59:35 GMT
The subtitles came thick and fast which created a challenge and my two friends bailed in the interval. I enjoyed it. Fantastic acting Were the surtitles really any quicker than cinema subtitles? I had the dual advantages of knowing the plot in advance and being used to opera surtitles over the last few decades. My companion, who had neither of those advantages, had no problems - but he does see a fair bit of foreign language cinema. These wouldn't be your friends, by any chance? Im used to titles in plays, opera, film and telly but here they appeared different somehow and I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps if it was on a screen like at the opera I would have have fared better
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