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Jun 17, 2019 11:18:41 GMT
Post by kathryn on Jun 17, 2019 11:18:41 GMT
It really has brought out the worst in people. What ever happened to live and let live?
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 17, 2019 12:52:09 GMT
It really has brought out the worst in people. What ever happened to live and let live? Completely. It seems that instead of left or right, we are now either leave or remain, and events are now following various fault lines and fissures that radiate out from that. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 19, 2019 8:18:52 GMT
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Jun 19, 2019 9:09:35 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Jun 19, 2019 9:09:35 GMT
Only just learned Rory Stewart's actual name is Rod (Roderick). Fantastic! I liked him better with the '70s feather cut.
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Jun 19, 2019 11:27:26 GMT
Post by david on Jun 19, 2019 11:27:26 GMT
Watching the BBC debate last night, with all the contenders sat on stools, was it a really bad Westlife tribute act try out?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 18:07:40 GMT
Watching the BBC debate last night, with all the contenders sat on stools, was it a really bad Westlife tribute act try out? It looked and sounded like the ritual suicide of a political party, being beamed live into our homes. |
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Jun 20, 2019 12:43:47 GMT
Post by lynette on Jun 20, 2019 12:43:47 GMT
Two institutions down the tube together - BBC news and the Conservative Party. Nothing lasts for ever.
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Jun 20, 2019 13:27:38 GMT
Post by anita on Jun 20, 2019 13:27:38 GMT
Go on, that's just Matt Lucas in the photo! I was just thinking that! |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 22, 2019 15:20:57 GMT
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Jun 22, 2019 19:39:51 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Jun 22, 2019 19:39:51 GMT
Decided it's not a huge deal really, so cancelled the license fee direct debit. I think it was three monthly, and probably about due. Just can't bear the nonsense any longer.
Checked to make sure and BBC radio is free so, for now, I'm happier getting my news in weekly recap form, or maybe the Westminster Hour on R4. It feels half the country has been driven three-quarters mad by hair-on-fire 24-hour news.
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Jul 23, 2019 12:34:16 GMT
Post by david on Jul 23, 2019 12:34:16 GMT
Well it’s finally happened, Boris is now the new PM. With all his buffoonery is he really the guy who can unite both a divided Tory party and country and get Brexit finally over the line? With the current Westminster political arithmetic, it’s hard to see how he’s going to achieve it without changing the numbers which means going to the country with a general election (and probably risk political destruction of the Conservatives).
With Boris in London, Trump in the U.S., Putin in Russia and Kim Jong un in N. Korea, these are going to be interesting times indeed.
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Jul 23, 2019 13:05:35 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Jul 23, 2019 13:05:35 GMT
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Jul 23, 2019 13:27:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 13:27:37 GMT
With Boris in London, Trump in the U.S., Putin in Russia and Kim Jong un in N. Korea, these are going to be interesting times indeed. We were talking about something in 2026 in work the other day and I found myself genuinely thinking “if we even get that far”... hope for the future seriously waining. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 23, 2019 13:29:56 GMT
Well it’s finally happened, Boris is now the new PM. With all his buffoonery is he really the guy who can unite both a divided Tory party and country and get Brexit finally over the line? With the current Westminster political arithmetic, it’s hard to see how he’s going to achieve it without changing the numbers which means going to the country with a general election (and probably risk political destruction of the Conservatives). With Boris in London, Trump in the U.S., Putin in Russia and Kim Jong un in N. Korea, these are going to be interesting times indeed. Two things I wish people would stop doing. Calling him chummily by his first name, and referring to him as a buffoon. He's so much worse than that. It's nightmarishly staggering that we've gone from his being unelectable because almost no one in the parliamentary party liked him, to his becoming PM. It's a grim indication of tory MPs' placing of party before country and self-respect. More of which we saw from Javid the other day, with his nauseatingly greasy sucking-up to Farage. |
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Jul 23, 2019 13:34:24 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 23, 2019 13:34:24 GMT
We were talking about something in 2026 in work the other day and I found myself genuinely thinking “if we even get that far”... hope for the future seriously waining. The debacle with the US Ambassador was the latest in a series of very worrying events. We aren't just drifting into the arena of the unwell, we're sliding into the fetid pit of the toxic. |
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Jul 23, 2019 13:55:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 13:55:33 GMT
Decided it's not a huge deal really, so cancelled the license fee direct debit. I think it was three monthly, and probably about due. Just can't bear the nonsense any longer. Checked to make sure and BBC radio is free so, for now, I'm happier getting my news in weekly recap form, or maybe the Westminster Hour on R4. It feels half the country has been driven three-quarters mad by hair-on-fire 24-hour news. Might one party consider running a manifesto idea of scrapping the licence fee - there has always been factions of the Tory Party that don't like the Beeb and the Labour Party under Corbyn is fairly anti-establishment. Promising to save people £154.50 a year would enable taxes to be put up a bit and still leave people in pocket. This money could be used on NHS, Police etc. A lot of people will wonder why they have to fund Symphony Orchestras and greedy bitches who weren't content with well over 100k per year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 13:57:49 GMT
Well it’s finally happened, Boris is now the new PM. With all his buffoonery is he really the guy who can unite both a divided Tory party and country and get Brexit finally over the line? With the current Westminster political arithmetic, it’s hard to see how he’s going to achieve it without changing the numbers which means going to the country with a general election (and probably risk political destruction of the Conservatives). With Boris in London, Trump in the U.S., Putin in Russia and Kim Jong un in N. Korea, these are going to be interesting times indeed. Especially in this country with Boris as PM whose main challenger is Corbyn and the rise of the nutters could be complete when Mad Charles Windsor becomes King. I could see him doing the Proroguing of Parliament possibly when the Labour Party is at Conference. I'd figure the advice that a PM gives the Monarch is private and you cannot challenge the Queen's authority in court. Just threaten anyone who tries with treason. |
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Jul 23, 2019 14:27:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:27:29 GMT
Although I'm not surprised at the result I'm deeply disappointed in the Conservative Party. They took someone who was nothing but dishonest through the Brexit campaign, has been openly bigoted on many occasions, and has outright declared that he'd act like a dictator and shut down parliament if he doesn't get his way, and they said: "This guy. This is the person who represents what the Conservative Party stands for."
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Jul 23, 2019 14:30:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:30:13 GMT
We were talking about something in 2026 in work the other day and I found myself genuinely thinking “if we even get that far”... hope for the future seriously waining. The debacle with the US Ambassador was the latest in a series of very worrying events. We aren't just drifting into the arena of the unwell, we're sliding into the fetid pit of the toxic. Maybe it's a good job we're cooking ourselves alive through the destruction of the natural world. I guess it means we'll come to a swifter demise and suffer less as a consequence of global sanity spiralling out of control. |
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Post by missthelma on Jul 23, 2019 14:53:52 GMT
The popularity and success of Johnson despite mountains of evidence as to his mendacity and incompetence remains bewildering to me. When he ran for London Mayor in 2008, I scoffed thinking nobody would vote for such a figure but two terms later, a stint as MP then a woeful Foreign Secretary and crash bang he's PM. Never underestimate a priveleged white man with a monstrous ego and boundless unwarranted confidence (see also Donald Trump)
Rather like Brexit, if someone could point out the actual positives that are brought I am eager to hear them
It does confuse me though that many backed away from the challenges May took on as PM given it was such a poisoned chalice and yet 12 (!!) of them lined up for a stab at this go round when surely the chalice is laced with more poison than before and there seems no way out.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:59:24 GMT
Post by Backdrifter on Jul 23, 2019 14:59:24 GMT
Although I'm not surprised at the result I'm deeply disappointed in the Conservative Party. They took someone who was nothing but dishonest through the Brexit campaign, has been openly bigoted on many occasions, and has outright declared that he'd act like a dictator and shut down parliament if he doesn't get his way, and they said: "This guy. This is the person who represents what the Conservative Party stands for." Some will probably have genuinely thought that, but I think the majority of tory MPs at the parliamentary party voting stage thought, "the brexit party has become a serious threat and, detest Johnson though I do, unfit for this office though he clearly is, he's realistically the only candidate who can win back the defectors." Literally, how do we keep the party on life-support a bit longer, without realising their actions may hasten the plug being yanked out. Never underestimate a priveleged white man with a monstrous ego and boundless unwarranted confidence Absolutely spot-on, to which I'd add to also not underestimate the British public's weakness for that kind of character. I never cease to be amazed and dismayed by the rock-solid vein of class deference that still runs deep through this country. The very people most likely to be utterly shafted by the likes of Johnson, those who will rail against privilege and entitlement and point out the bad hand they are being dealt, will then vote for him. It's completely infuriating - whatever resentful rhetoric they come out with, they end up tugging their forelocks to the posh rich white men. Those most likely to be adversely affected by a Johnson-led administration and a no-deal brexit seem to be on a determined mission of self-harm. |
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Jul 23, 2019 15:02:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:02:36 GMT
The popularity and success of Johnson despite mountains of evidence as to his mendacity and incompetence remains bewildering to me. When he ran for London Mayor in 2008, I scoffed thinking nobody would vote for such a figure but two terms later, a stint as MP then a woeful Foreign Secretary and crash bang he's PM. Never underestimate a priveleged white man with a monstrous ego and boundless unwarranted confidence (see also Donald Trump) Rather like Brexit, if someone could point out the actual positives that are brought I am eager to hear them It does confuse me though that many backed away from the challenges May took on as PM given it was such a poisoned chalice and yet 12 (!!) of them lined up for a stab at this go round when surely the chalice is laced with more poison than before and there seems no way out. Ah but now they have a scapegoat! They have proven themselves to be ruthless and cutthroat against each other, no doubt if the end result is diabolical (which is likely) they can blame May's catastrophically failed attempts at anything remotely like a deal. |
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Jul 23, 2019 17:14:53 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Jul 23, 2019 17:14:53 GMT
Decided it's not a huge deal really, so cancelled the license fee direct debit. I think it was three monthly, and probably about due. Just can't bear the nonsense any longer. Checked to make sure and BBC radio is free so, for now, I'm happier getting my news in weekly recap form, or maybe the Westminster Hour on R4. It feels half the country has been driven three-quarters mad by hair-on-fire 24-hour news. Might one party consider running a manifesto idea of scrapping the licence fee - there has always been factions of the Tory Party that don't like the Beeb and the Labour Party under Corbyn is fairly anti-establishment. Promising to save people £154.50 a year would enable taxes to be put up a bit and still leave people in pocket. This money could be used on NHS, Police etc. A lot of people will wonder why they have to fund Symphony Orchestras and greedy bitches who weren't content with well over 100k per year. I think the idea was valid for its time, in the sense everyone watched the BBC, we didn't know any different and society hadn't fragmented a millions ways as it began to do in the 80s. Literally half the adult population watched Morcambe and Wise ...
Since the 80s the idea has been to offer everyone something - catering for all aspects society to some extent.
The breaking point for me has been news and current affairs, which I don't think has fragmented and we're rather left to self-medicate in a sort of Blair-ite utopia. Nothing irritates more than the mantra 'well if both sides are complaining we must be doing something right' i.e. we dismiss or cut out of te discussion ideas that aren't centrist and or a little to the right. It's a bias designed decades ago to placate the middle class sharp elbows.
As events have shown, if you marginalise and/or disengage with areas of society that aren't well, or at all, represented, it can come back to bite you in te bum.
I'm starting to rant now so it's time to stop. To respond to your point; the BBC does good, sometimes excellent, work in so many areas of the arts. I do't now what the answer is tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 17:35:54 GMT
We’ve been at war for some time now, although people generally haven’t cottoned on to it because it has been mostly fought with data, manipulation of media and through state sponsored criminal activity. This is why Putin is there (and he is one of the prime instigators), it’s why the Brexit vote happened and why Trump/Salvini/Erdogan/Le Pen etc are where they are. Weaponised data use is rife, so much so that Cambridge Analytica was supposed to check anything it was doing abroad with the British government. So either the current government knows how the world’s democracies have been destabilised by them or it has turned a blind eye. There is no good answer here.
Brexit is actually only a small part of this, though the goal of destroying a powerful entity that promotes liberal democracy is well served by it. We are at war, yet because we can’t see the bodies piling up, we are imagining that everything will turn out okay.
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Jul 23, 2019 18:30:35 GMT
Post by missthelma on Jul 23, 2019 18:30:35 GMT
That's an excellent and quite terrifying post Cardinal Pirelli. Given how much data people give away willingly too, even moreso. I have used a fake online birthday for years now but am becoming more aware of other things now, is there an emoji for a 'shudder'
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