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Post by n1david on Apr 24, 2019 19:01:57 GMT
Good to know anthony40 and I regret that some of my countryfolk have forced you to go through this process. |
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Post by anthony40 on Apr 24, 2019 19:21:25 GMT
Good to know anthony40 and I regret that some of my countryfolk have forced you to go through this process. Thank you n1david. A lot of stress and anxiety has been lifted of my shoulders |
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Post by missthelma on Apr 25, 2019 9:20:57 GMT
Oh please please just make it stop......
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 25, 2019 9:40:06 GMT
Oh please please just make it stop...... But she put the backstop arrangement in Doesn't that then make NI different to the rest of the UK? OK it is already with its discriminating laws but still |
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 27, 2019 16:22:30 GMT
Oh god how tiresome Brexit is, we now have the Music Man chipping.
(Ya Got Trouble, six)
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 7, 2019 17:41:58 GMT
And we have European elections coming up. Official. No suprise really.
I hope lots of remainders vote Lib Dem or Green but I am sceptical
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 8:59:42 GMT
"It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light"  |
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Post by Backdrifter on May 27, 2019 12:27:19 GMT
"It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light" The waters are more muddied than the bar chart shows. In fact they're as muddied as they were already. You have to factor in the pro-brexit policies of Con and Lab, and that their MPs are a mix of remain and every flavour of brexit in the buffet. But the BXP surge isn't the revolution they're painting it as, it's mostly UKIP DNA transferred to a new host with skin-grafts, some hairs and teeth, dandruff, snot and earwax from Tories and Labour. The results haven't shed much new light on anything. More like a key-ring torch on the pile of stuff we already knew was there. |
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Post by londonpostie on May 27, 2019 13:05:57 GMT
37% turnout: nonsense piled on top of nonsense.
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Post by Latecomer on May 27, 2019 18:33:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 18:56:23 GMT
I wonder how many of the people who didn't vote for their usual party will actually stay away from them at the next general election. Usually loads of people are vocal about their dissatisfaction but then opt for the safety of the familiar when they get to the booth. But then usually the two main parties aren't so comprehensively put in their place.
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Post by kathryn on May 27, 2019 20:12:40 GMT
Usually the two main parties are not so conspicuously useless.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 1:58:42 GMT
In a number of countries the old party divisions are breaking down, France, Italy, even Germany now, with the Greens taking over as the second largest party. The labour and conservative parties need to reposition themselves as they are no longer a fit for the electorate; all the talk about their needing to keep ‘their’ voters misses the fact that they are unable to appeal to all elements of their previous support. Labour has to let go of the idea that they need to keep their leave voters and the conservatives their remain voters. Not because it is all about Brexit but because Brexit has shown up the new divide, nativists versus internationalists. The global economy, the interconnectedness of far flung nations, the mobility of populations and workforces, all need a rethought response.
If labour and conservative want to give themselves a better chance of survival they should quickly legislate for electoral reform as first past the post is becoming a real threat to their continued existence. Similar parties are clinging on elsewhere in the face of Le Pen, Macron, Salvini etc. because of proportional voting systems, the warning signs are there for them.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 9, 2019 16:09:24 GMT
This old issue of Rainbow magazine is very pertinent  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 17:52:13 GMT
If only we had that as an option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 18:06:23 GMT
Talking of pertinency..
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Post by lynette on Jun 10, 2019 11:30:44 GMT
In a number of countries the old party divisions are breaking down, France, Italy, even Germany now, with the Greens taking over as the second largest party. The labour and conservative parties need to reposition themselves as they are no longer a fit for the electorate; all the talk about their needing to keep ‘their’ voters misses the fact that they are unable to appeal to all elements of their previous support. Labour has to let go of the idea that they need to keep their leave voters and the conservatives their remain voters. Not because it is all about Brexit but because Brexit has shown up the new divide, nativists versus internationalists. The global economy, the interconnectedness of far flung nations, the mobility of populations and workforces, all need a rethought response. If labour and conservative want to give themselves a better chance of survival they should quickly legislate for electoral reform as first past the post is becoming a real threat to their continued existence. Similar parties are clinging on elsewhere in the face of Le Pen, Macron, Salvini etc. because of proportional voting systems, the warning signs are there for them. This is going to happen in UK obviously and funny how slow it has been here. But they /we need to change a few things. The elections rules for one. It must no longer be a thing to lose your deposit under a certain number of votes: the financial backing of the big parties needs to be curtailed and evened out with gov backing to legit political groups. So a complete change of mind set in fact. The country perhaps not divided up in quite the same way and we know how popular that will be. So a long way to go and many, many traps on that way. How I would love to read the chapter entitled Electoral Chaos of the Middle Century published in digital form in a work entitled Decline and Fall of the Western Empire round about 2070 but sadly I will leave that to others. |
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Post by lynette on Jun 10, 2019 16:58:39 GMT
If only we had that as an option. But if Boris can't keep the one on his trousers closed, what chance the one on his mouth? Did you catch that play at The Park theatre? Prescient and v funny. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 10, 2019 17:50:50 GMT
In a number of countries the old party divisions are breaking down, France, Italy, even Germany now, with the Greens taking over as the second largest party. The labour and conservative parties need to reposition themselves as they are no longer a fit for the electorate; all the talk about their needing to keep ‘their’ voters misses the fact that they are unable to appeal to all elements of their previous support. Labour has to let go of the idea that they need to keep their leave voters and the conservatives their remain voters. Not because it is all about Brexit but because Brexit has shown up the new divide, nativists versus internationalists. The global economy, the interconnectedness of far flung nations, the mobility of populations and workforces, all need a rethought response. If labour and conservative want to give themselves a better chance of survival they should quickly legislate for electoral reform as first past the post is becoming a real threat to their continued existence. Similar parties are clinging on elsewhere in the face of Le Pen, Macron, Salvini etc. because of proportional voting systems, the warning signs are there for them. This is going to happen in UK obviously and funny how slow it has been here. But they /we need to change a few things. The elections rules for one. It must no longer be a thing to lose your deposit under a certain number of votes: the financial backing of the big parties needs to be curtailed and evened out with gov backing to legit political groups. So a complete change of mind set in fact. The country perhaps not divided up in quite the same way and we know how popular that will be. So a long way to go and many, many traps on that way. How I would love to read the chapter entitled Electoral Chaos of the Middle Century published in digital form in a work entitled Decline and Fall of the Western Empire round about 2070 but sadly I will leave that to others. Frightening eh? |
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Post by hulmeman on Jun 16, 2019 20:17:16 GMT
Just thought I'd share something that happened this very afternoon. Walking my dogs, I stop and talk to a lady I regularly see enroute. Says she, "we've just come back from the airport, he (her husband) likes to see the planes coming and going. but it was full of postboxes". What's that I ask. " You know, women in black with just their eyes showing" she says. I said you can't say that. And this is the bit that chills me to the bone - "why not, Boris does". The man who strives to the highest political office in our country legitimised her saying that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 20:50:59 GMT
I've heard similar comments and approval of his attitude. I'm surprised that so many of the Tories are backing him for leader, because when someone's words and actions act as a magnet for racists and xenophobes in the way that his do it's a shrieking alarm warning you that this person is not one of the good guys.
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Post by lynette on Jun 16, 2019 20:55:42 GMT
Just thought I'd share something that happened this very afternoon. Walking my dogs, I stop and talk to a lady I regularly see enroute. Says she, "we've just come back from the airport, he (her husband) likes to see the planes coming and going. but it was full of postboxes". What's that I ask. " You know, women in black with just their eyes showing" she says. I said you can't say that. And this is the bit that chills me to the bone - "why not, Boris does". The man who strives to the highest political office in our country legitimised her saying that. Any chance she was winding you up? |
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Post by hulmeman on Jun 16, 2019 21:09:07 GMT
Just thought I'd share something that happened this very afternoon. Walking my dogs, I stop and talk to a lady I regularly see enroute. Says she, "we've just come back from the airport, he (her husband) likes to see the planes coming and going. but it was full of postboxes". What's that I ask. " You know, women in black with just their eyes showing" she says. I said you can't say that. And this is the bit that chills me to the bone - "why not, Boris does". The man who strives to the highest political office in our country legitimised her saying that. Any chance she was winding you up? I'd like to think so Lynette, but she was trying to justify herself as I walked away. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 10:44:38 GMT
It's only going to get worse
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Post by lynette on Jun 17, 2019 10:45:16 GMT
Any chance she was winding you up? I'd like to think so Lynette, but she was trying to justify herself as I walked away. O dear |
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