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Post by kathryn on Mar 29, 2019 12:43:08 GMT
That should not have made me laugh.
But it really did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 12:43:17 GMT
We'd have been out today if our MPs had followed the people's wishes or that Gina Miller hadn't got involved! Well not necessarily given that the referendum didn't specify a leave date. I don't remember March 29 2019 actually being on the ballot paper. The wishes of "the people" could still have been followed if the Government had taken a bit of time to work out what Brexit actually meant before activating Article 50. Quite. And honestly as much as most Remainers would obviously want to remain, they’d also settle for “Leave with something resembling a plan” as well, which any sensible person could have told you should have been worked out before activating Article 50...but hey leaping before you look never hurt anyone right...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 12:47:07 GMT
That should not have made me laugh. But it really did. It’s pretty much exactly how I imagine the Queen right now. “Has that bloody woman resigned yet? Am I still allowed to get rid of them all?”
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Mar 29, 2019 12:53:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 12:53:48 GMT
The referendum was 33 months ago, Article 50 is evoked a couple of years ago so there was 8 or 9 months to start looking at scenarios. Also before the referendum no prep work was done regarding the implications of a "No" vote. Rather like some of the Labour MPs who helped Jeremy Corbyn get the required votes to stand in the party leadership election it was considered there was a chance of winning.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 29, 2019 13:15:56 GMT
DUP standing firm so far and opposing the deal. Tory hard-line brexiters, ditto. Raab continuing his moebius loop vortex of thinking: having negotiated the deal he previously spoke for before voting against it, he has today spoken against it but said he will vote for it.
Is he trying to turn the Commons into a space designed by MC Escher?
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Mar 29, 2019 13:20:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 13:20:14 GMT
The 2017 Election was May's biggest mistake she had a majority up until then and having a hardline party like the DUP prop her up isn't ideal. Could you have imagined that being done when Revd Paisley led the party!
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Mar 29, 2019 13:28:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 13:28:46 GMT
So who else looks at the Brexit fiasco and finds themselves thinking of the Underpants Gnomes?
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Mar 29, 2019 13:58:29 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 29, 2019 13:58:29 GMT
DUP, Labour and core ERG look to be standing firm. The DUP bribe money looking like a waste of funds right now with the 10 climate change denying rickety-government-up-propping anti-choice creationist homophobes having trousered it, now telling their ailing benefactor to get stuffed. I wonder how effective the cash allegedly being splashed around today has been.
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Mar 29, 2019 14:00:03 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 29, 2019 14:00:03 GMT
Opponents like Soubry and Patel just stopping short of rushing across the floor to hug each other and declare "Sister!"
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Mar 29, 2019 14:41:15 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 29, 2019 14:41:15 GMT
Division as we speak
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Mar 29, 2019 14:48:52 GMT
Post by kathryn on Mar 29, 2019 14:48:52 GMT
Anyone have any clue what happens now?
Anyone?!
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Mar 29, 2019 14:49:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 14:49:29 GMT
Anyone have any clue what happens now? Anyone?! Most definitely not them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 14:57:48 GMT
It is literally like dealing with a toddler.
"Do you want juice?" "No!" "Do you want some grapes?" "No!" "Do you want water?" "No!" "Do you want a nap?" "No!" "Well, what DO you want?" "No!" "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" "No!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 15:09:14 GMT
Where do we go from here? This isn't where we intended to be We had it all You believed in me, I believed in you Certainties disappear What do we do? For our dream to survive? How do we keep, all our passions alive As we used to do?
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Post by vdcni on Mar 29, 2019 15:20:06 GMT
Anyone have any clue what happens now? Anyone?! Either no deal on 12th April or we agree to take part in the Euro elections in May and signal a way forward to the EU - soft Brexit (stay in the Customs Union and Single Market), referendum or general election. Or less likely - revoke. Today was a trap by the government to try and extend to May which would have been the last extension as we wouldn't have taken part in the Euro elections in May which would have meant May's deal and then a hardliner becoming PM or no deal and the same.
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 29, 2019 15:25:53 GMT
May definitely does not give a damn about what the people want. All this time was wasted because her only reply to everything was: "because this is what people want". It's not.
First, the original referendum was based on misguidance, deception, false promises and a complete lack of truthful information. That in itself should undermine the validity.
Secondly, mp's change their votes on a weekly basis. Why is it not possible to at least do a check if the votes of the public may have adjusted years later? There is a whole new generation entitled to vote that was not able to vote all these years ago. She hasn't expressed any interest in this or given any explanation for this. People can change opinions, especially when given actual information. Doing a check like this is democracy, and people changing opinions is people changing opinions and saying they do not support what they said before, this has nothing to do with failing of the government or democracy. Their failing was the first point. Allowing people to admit they made a mistake is not failing of democracy. Not allowing this is a second mistake.
When this lame deal is rejected, they can actually BEGIN to handle the actual subject. Which is looking at all the possibilities for solutions that can get a majority of votes. There even was an mp explaining that she voted against the deal twice but will vote in favor of it today, because she thinks all these years have been spent talking to a brick wall (May's ego and interests) and so a well thought choice couldn't be made by anyone on monday, because all 8 actual solutions have never been discussed yet. This mp loses all credibility in my opinion, as she should be glad that they finally treat options on monday, which they should have done years earlier, and now she just tries to avoid them. Also, the members voting in favor of it today, based on personal career opportunities should never be in a function like that again.
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Mar 29, 2019 15:49:59 GMT
Post by kathryn on Mar 29, 2019 15:49:59 GMT
Anyone have any clue what happens now? Anyone?! Either no deal on 12th April or we agree to take part in the Euro elections in May and signal a way forward to the EU - soft Brexit (stay in the Customs Union and Single Market), referendum or general election. Or less likely - revoke. Today was a trap by the government to try and extend to May which would have been the last extension as we wouldn't have taken part in the Euro elections in May which would have meant May's deal and then a hardliner becoming PM or no deal and the same. No deal has been roundly rejected by parliament already so surely we have to do the Euro elections. A new referendum seems more and more likely - I just don't see how anyone can move forward without a mandate for one approach or another. Obviously I'd prefer that they actually revoked, admitted that the whole exercise was a mistake, and pretended it never happened, but that's not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 15:52:45 GMT
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Mar 29, 2019 15:53:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 15:53:40 GMT
It doesn't really matter if No Deal is rejected by our parliament though, the EU are well within their rights to go "no more extensions beyond [this date]" and if we don't sort something else out by then, No Deal happens by default. It's like voting for the sand to never run out on an egg-timer; once you flip it over, it's *going* to happen unless you actively do something that stops it.
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Mar 29, 2019 16:21:16 GMT
Post by kathryn on Mar 29, 2019 16:21:16 GMT
It doesn't really matter if No Deal is rejected by our parliament though, the EU are well within their rights to go "no more extensions beyond [this date]" and if we don't sort something else out by then, No Deal happens by default. It's like voting for the sand to never run out on an egg-timer; once you flip it over, it's *going* to happen unless you actively do something that stops it. They are indeed within their rights to do it, but they'd prefer an orderly process. A longer extension wasn't ruled out as long as a proper way forward was the outcome of it.
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Mar 29, 2019 16:21:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 16:21:49 GMT
Please tell me this is Terry Jones from Monty Python, and not Terry Jones from Rochester, Kent.
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 29, 2019 16:38:25 GMT
What do holidays have to do with it? And buying British and holidaying British is actually giving money to the country that did not give you your way. Blame them please, not the EU.
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Mar 29, 2019 17:39:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 17:39:43 GMT
What do holidays have to do with it? And buying British and holidaying British is actually giving money to the country that did not give you your way. Blame them please, not the EU. This is what we're up against. I DUNT NO WOT IM TORKING ABOWT BUT ILL SHOWT IT LOUDEST AND ILL GET MI WAY
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:13:34 GMT
Anyone know who the youngish black Labour MP with the long braids who sits next to Jeremy Corbyn is?
Also lovely tribute to the late Andy Stewart my the Scottish Nationalists' Westminster Leader.
I think Theresa should have said back my deal or we leave with No Deal on 12th April.
Theresa May has said she'll now leave when a DFS sale ends.
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Post by vdcni on Mar 29, 2019 21:04:15 GMT
Problem is if she threatens no deal it might scare Labour waverers to vote for her deal but it doesn't bother the extreme Brexit supporting end of the Tories who want no deal and whose votes she needs. If she threatens no Brexit then the opposite happens.
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