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Mar 27, 2019 22:41:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 22:41:00 GMT
Really interesting result of the indicative votes and, if the above Sky poll is correct, we actually have both parliament and the people in agreement. Both have the same top two results.
Sky Data poll Referendum 40/35 Customs Union & Withdrawal Agreement 34/35
Parliament Referendum 42/46 Customs Union & Withdrawal Agreement 41/42
So the way out of this mess might be that parliament votes for the WA with customs union and then it gets put to a confirmatory public vote.
Or they could just keep blocking everything.
Which is easier, so probably more likely.
* for comparison the Brexit vote was won by 37%.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 27, 2019 23:23:29 GMT
So basically what this confirms to us is that the hardcore Brexiteers are as self serving as we always thought they were! They wouldnt back the withdrawal agreement for actually delivering brexit, or because they thinks it’s the best thing for the country right now. They’ll appparently back it now however because it gets rid of the PM 🙄 .... thrilled at the thought of Boris Johnson insulting and hacking his way through further EU negotiations. For all TM’s faults, at least she’s ways been respectful. The thought of the leading parties’ leaders potentially being Corbyn for Labour and Boris or Rees-Mogg for the Conservatives fills me with dread! This aspect of today's events is a major low point. A deal that's dead anyway being wheeled through by the departure of its author is worthless. Yet two principal brexiters (and WHY do we keep chummily calling Johnson by his first name?) who said it made us a slave state and put a suicide vest around the UK would now support it because it means she'll bog off. No interest in what's best for the country, just a focus entirely on their grubby party machinations. These two stinking hypocritical slimeballs are adored by puppy-like followers; how can those people possibly now look to either of these two self-interested bloodless sacks of cold offal? As to the votes, I found it interesting. The proposals mapped to the range of preferences I've heard brexiters express. It shows the futility of attempting to brexit; no majority would ever be satisfied.
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Mar 28, 2019 8:29:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 8:29:08 GMT
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Mar 28, 2019 8:31:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 8:31:33 GMT
Really interesting result of the indicative votes and, if the above Sky poll is correct, we actually have both parliament and the people in agreement. Both have the same top two results. Sky Data poll Referendum 40/35 Customs Union & Withdrawal Agreement 34/35 Parliament Referendum 42/46 Customs Union & Withdrawal Agreement 41/42 So the way out of this mess might be that parliament votes for the WA with customs union and then it gets put to a confirmatory public vote. Or they could just keep blocking everything. Which is easier, so probably more likely. * for comparison the Brexit vote was won by 37%.
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Mar 28, 2019 8:35:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 8:35:49 GMT
I watched that live and Anna Soubry wasn’t howled at - but the conservatives were howling at the speaker for his comments before taking Anna’s point of order and she got caught up in that.
The Speaker needs replacing. I think he’s enjoying all of this far too much and isn’t as fair as he claims to be - and I say this as a labour supporter.
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Mar 28, 2019 8:52:43 GMT
sf likes this
Post by vdcni on Mar 28, 2019 8:52:43 GMT
The Tories in general acted appallingly last night - still treating the whole thing like a game.
Good on the Speaker for trying to keep them in check, he's been one of the rare voices of sanity in this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 8:55:23 GMT
I'm starting to think that the best resolution to this situation would be for Ireland to take over the UK.
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Post by adrianics on Mar 28, 2019 9:08:58 GMT
Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday gave up any and all pretence that any of this is about literally anything other than their own self interests and careers, it's high time we treated these hypocritical, self-obsessed gasbags with the contempt they deserve.
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Mar 28, 2019 9:26:46 GMT
Post by crowblack on Mar 28, 2019 9:26:46 GMT
It'll be interesting to see the impact of the Article 13 vote on attitudes amongst the younger demographic, in an era when 'being a youtuber' is regarded as a serious career option.
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Mar 28, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
Post by sf on Mar 28, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday gave up any and all pretence that any of this is about literally anything other than their own self interests and careers, it's high time we treated these hypocritical, self-obsessed gasbags with the contempt they deserve.
An entertaining piece of trivia: Jacob Rees-Mogg's majority is smaller than the number of his constituents who have signed the Revoke Article 50 petition.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:56:54 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 28, 2019 17:56:54 GMT
I'm starting to think that the best resolution to this situation would be for Ireland to take over the UK. Wouldn't need the border back stop
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Mar 28, 2019 17:58:08 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 28, 2019 17:58:08 GMT
Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday gave up any and all pretence that any of this is about literally anything other than their own self interests and careers, it's high time we treated these hypocritical, self-obsessed gasbags with the contempt they deserve.
An entertaining piece of trivia: Jacob Rees-Mogg's majority is smaller than the number of his constituents who have signed the Revoke Article 50 petition.
What is Rees Mogg's majority?
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Mar 28, 2019 18:06:05 GMT
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Post by vdcni on Mar 28, 2019 18:06:05 GMT
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Mar 28, 2019 18:35:40 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 28, 2019 18:35:40 GMT
Was getting excited there. Still, could be Chukka's redemption?
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Mar 28, 2019 20:33:20 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 28, 2019 20:33:20 GMT
I'm hearing MV3 tomorrow 2.30. What's changed?
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Mar 28, 2019 20:57:21 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Mar 28, 2019 20:57:21 GMT
After yesterday’s vote where the house couldn’t agree on one of the amendments, Boris the Boa and Jacob the Stick Insect, have done a complete U turn and not now going to back Theresa May, must be buoyed by the failure of consensus last night and their ambitions seem to be boosted by the hope of a no deal.
For the record Boris the Boa isn’t interested in what type of Brexit happens, he is only interested in one thing and that is nothing to do with Brexit.
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Mar 28, 2019 23:26:39 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 28, 2019 23:26:39 GMT
But Bercow ruled that a 3rd MV could only be on the basis of a substantially different proposal.
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Mar 28, 2019 23:49:10 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 28, 2019 23:49:10 GMT
What a great concept, some superb responses to this - future brexit exam questions
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Mar 29, 2019 0:55:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 0:55:45 GMT
We'd have been out today if our MPs had followed the people's wishes or that Gina Miller hadn't got involved!
Anyway on a lighter note why not put Charles Windsor in charge of sorting it out, it's not like he's going to get the job he is after any time soon!
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Post by n1david on Mar 29, 2019 1:17:53 GMT
We'd have been out today if our MPs had followed the people's wishes or that Gina Miller hadn't got involved! Well not necessarily given that the referendum didn't specify a leave date. I don't remember March 29 2019 actually being on the ballot paper. The wishes of "the people" could still have been followed if the Government had taken a bit of time to work out what Brexit actually meant before activating Article 50.
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Post by vdcni on Mar 29, 2019 7:56:57 GMT
We could have been out today if Theresa May and her government hadn't arrogantly ignored and dismissed the 48% of people who voted remain, put in place arbitrary red lines for negotiation, treated the future of Northern Island so recklessly, threw away her majority on a pointless election and assumed she could ignore Parliament.
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Mar 29, 2019 8:04:54 GMT
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 29, 2019 8:04:54 GMT
We'd have been out today if our MPs had followed the people's wishes or that Gina Miller hadn't got involved! Anyway on a lighter note why not put Charles Windsor in charge of sorting it out, it's not like he's going to get the job he is after any time soon! We might've been out today, possibly, had the government not been prevented from bulldozing their way over parliamentary sovereignty - the very thing brexiters saw as being compromised by staying in the EU. Funnily enough, that we're not leaving today is partly thanks to the tory brextremists of the ERG. They've helped to ensure the possibility of a long delay and very soft brexit.
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Mar 29, 2019 9:05:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:05:22 GMT
What a great concept, some superb responses to this - future brexit exam questions This is phenomenal reading. Highlight: "Can the horror of war ever be taught to a generation that grows up in peacetime?"
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Mar 29, 2019 11:34:43 GMT
Post by adrianics on Mar 29, 2019 11:34:43 GMT
We'd have been out today if our MPs had followed the people's wishes or that Gina Miller hadn't got involved! What do you believe "the people's wishes" are?
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Post by david on Mar 29, 2019 12:25:58 GMT
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