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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:05:40 GMT
Yesterday they vote to avoid no deal. Today they vote in a way which makes no deal likely.
One thing is clear, everyone involved in enabling this will be ruined politically for the rest of their lives. Whether that is May and her hapless government or Corbyn and his intransigent ideologues enabling that government.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:08:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:08:05 GMT
One thing is clear, everyone involved in enabling this will be ruined politically for the rest of their lives. Whether that is May and her hapless government or Corbyn and his intransigent ideologues enabling that government. Good. Donald Tusk was right about the special place awaiting them all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:13:15 GMT
Can someone explain in one post a summary of what the hell is going on, for those of us who are confused?
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Mar 14, 2019 18:26:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:26:19 GMT
Yesterday they vote to avoid no deal. Today they vote in a way which makes no deal likely. One thing is clear, everyone involved in enabling this will be ruined politically for the rest of their lives. Whether that is May and her hapless government or Corbyn and his intransigent ideologues enabling that government. They certainly deserve to but why does my gut tell me they'll all get away scot free.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:32:53 GMT
Can someone explain in one post a summary of what the hell is going on, for those of us who are confused? A picture says 1000 words...
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Mar 14, 2019 18:33:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:33:55 GMT
Can someone explain in one post a summary of what the hell is going on, for those of us who are confused? Amendments to the main motion, to extend the article 50 process, have all failed. The main motion passed but it is of temporary use only as it allows a couple of months further discussion but without a clear plan and any sense of direction. The most useful amendment, for parliament to have series of votes to find out what parliament collectively wants, was defeated by two votes. As such, parliament has no idea what it wants and now will not be able to find this out either. What parliament doesn’t want is May’s deal, voted down twice by historic margins. This is one of the only things that has been made very clear. In the absence of indicative votes (something that fell by 2 votes) the government will now try again to pass May’s deal, one which fell by 149 votes and before that by even more. Having a twice defeated motion of historical proportions be voted on again in lieu of one falling short by two votes and which commands vastly more support makes no sense to anyone with a brain.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:34:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:34:41 GMT
Yesterday they vote to avoid no deal. Today they vote in a way which makes no deal likely. One thing is clear, everyone involved in enabling this will be ruined politically for the rest of their lives. Whether that is May and her hapless government or Corbyn and his intransigent ideologues enabling that government. They certainly deserve to but why does my gut tell me they'll all get away scot free. That is up to us, they will only escape if we let them.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:18:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:18:26 GMT
They certainly deserve to but why does my gut tell me they'll all get away scot free. That is up to us, they will only escape if we let them. Everyone seemingly content in letting Cameron carry about his life as if he hasn’t caused such a calamity of a situation does leave me a little dispondant.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:47:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:47:54 GMT
That is up to us, they will only escape if we let them. Everyone seemingly content in letting Cameron carry about his life as if he hasn’t caused such a calamity of a situation does leave me a little dispondant. Minor compared to those currently in power, he even did the honourable thing and resigned after being defeated. May should have gone when she was defeated in parliament but didn’t. Can he be attacked for staying out of it? He would probably have been so if he had not. I was unconvinced that there would ever be civil unrest if there was a no deal or a no Brexit, I do think that the way that things have gone, however, that there is a real chance of it in times to come if May’s deal is now bullied through parliament. There is a popular groundswell of enmity to it built in now, that enmity is cross party and unites a variety of unconnected factions. It’s a powder keg that may well be ignited if people are suddenly told to accept it. Maybe the EU can point this out because parliament seems blind to it. The way to do so would be to refuse a short term delay given that there is no settled majority support for anything. The EU will be hurting themselves by enabling a dysfunctional state in that dysfunction. A two year delay will be in their interests (always the major factor in collective EU decisions) and it might allow for this country to find something that it does agree on. Beware May’s deal, it has become as bad an option as no deal, and yet parliament may be fatally bounced into supporting it. EDIT: Exhibit A as to why this parliament will be vilified in perpetuity. The Brexit secretary who summed up the debate, telling people that they should vote for the government motion......voted against the government motion. Words fail....
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Post by LaLuPone on Mar 14, 2019 20:09:18 GMT
That is up to us, they will only escape if we let them. Everyone seemingly content in letting Cameron carry about his life as if he hasn’t caused such a calamity of a situation does leave me a little dispondant. I think I need to get my head out of theatre world for a bit because it took me a bit too long to realise you weren’t talking about Cameron Mackintosh and the Les Mis revole/no revolve/concert mess there!
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Mar 14, 2019 20:19:21 GMT
Post by sf on Mar 14, 2019 20:19:21 GMT
One thing is clear, everyone involved in enabling this will be ruined politically for the rest of their lives. Whether that is May and her hapless government or Corbyn and his intransigent ideologues enabling that government. That's the bright side.
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Post by sf on Mar 14, 2019 20:21:04 GMT
Having a twice defeated motion of historical proportions be voted on again in lieu of one falling short by two votes and which commands vastly more support makes no sense to anyone with a brain. I'm pretty sure Tessie No-Mates is going for a record: she's aiming to make it so that Meaningful Votes on her withdrawal agreement will eventually outnumber Police Academy films.
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 14, 2019 20:58:12 GMT
Once this matter is finally resolved and the dust (eventually) settles, give it 5 years or so and this whole saga will be turned into either a mini-series, television docu-drama or a full feature film.
Planning ahead, anyone know of Ms Streep's availability?
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Mar 14, 2019 21:16:33 GMT
Post by nobunaga on Mar 14, 2019 21:16:33 GMT
Personally I would go for "Brexit - The opera" .. Anybody remember the series on TV called combat opera? Perhaps something along those lines.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Mar 14, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
Tonight was fun. Peak Brexit: The Tory Chief Whip voting against the amendment he was whipping. Days of our lives ..
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Post by lynette on Mar 14, 2019 23:55:57 GMT
James Graham has surely written it already. NT or West End? Rory Kinnear got to have a part so who? I’m glad to see that we can indulge in this black humour. Our little contribution may be an archive for future theatre historians.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 0:50:12 GMT
SRB as Corbyn if it goes into the National!
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Mar 15, 2019 8:51:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:51:06 GMT
Nah, Adrian Schiller for Corbyn, surely!
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Mar 15, 2019 10:45:38 GMT
Post by emsworthian on Mar 15, 2019 10:45:38 GMT
Robert Bathurst, who seems to specialise in playing posh twits, could be Christopher "I Object" Chope, who now seems to be spearheading a "Tories for Corbyn" movement with his threats to bring the government down.
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Mar 15, 2019 10:49:35 GMT
Post by lynette on Mar 15, 2019 10:49:35 GMT
SRB as Corbyn if it goes into the National! That won’t work cos he is wrong shape. But Ken Clarke? Tho' maybe would like SRB for a big part. Cameron? 😂😂😂😂😂
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Mar 15, 2019 10:52:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 10:52:00 GMT
Once this matter is finally resolved and the dust (eventually) settles, give it 5 years or so and this whole saga will be turned into either a mini-series, television docu-drama or a full feature film. Planning ahead, anyone know of Ms Streep's availability? Maybe even a feature film series ala Star Wars? Brexit - A New Hope Brexit - The Empire Strikes Back etc There were a number of Brexit productions at Edinburgh Fringe last year, surely a few more 'Part 2s' will show this year.
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Mar 15, 2019 10:54:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 10:54:23 GMT
Okay, SRB for May instead then.
Could do with a laugh knowing how big a tragedy the whole sorry thing will be to sit through, and at this rate it’ll end up being 2 plays if we get a long extension. Ironically, unlike the inevitable play.
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Mar 15, 2019 11:07:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:07:07 GMT
Once this matter is finally resolved and the dust (eventually) settles, give it 5 years or so and this whole saga will be turned into either a mini-series, television docu-drama or a full feature film. Planning ahead, anyone know of Ms Streep's availability? Maybe even a feature film series ala Star Wars? Brexit - A New Hope Brexit - The Empire Strikes Back etc There were a number of Brexit productions at Edinburgh Fringe last year, surely a few more 'Part 2s' will show this year. Isn’t Brexit already based on The Phantom Menace? An entire movie about the ‘Trade Ferderation’ blocking trade, trying to dispose of the female leader, the creation of an intelligent but robotic know-it-all, a race to the finish and a home grown resistance led by an incompetent fool with a big tongue (but very little else about him).
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Mar 15, 2019 11:21:57 GMT
Post by alece10 on Mar 15, 2019 11:21:57 GMT
Ive not commented on this thread so far but I honestly couldn't care less now whether we stay or leave, I am just fed up with the whole sorry process. Even news on Donald Trump is more interesting than the "in, out, shake it all about" show that is Brexit. And breathe...……………..
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Mar 15, 2019 11:33:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:33:19 GMT
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