Brexit

This all stems from a disastrous setting up of the referendum and on the question asked.

To have any logical conclusion, the set-up of the first referendum can only be completed by a confirmation vote from the same electorate. Without it there is no agreement on anything of substance.

Part 1 - Do you want this or something else?
Part 2 - Okay, so is this the something else what you wanted?

There is no sense to having part 1 without part 2, it is a complete failure of democracy. All it does is hand any decisions back to people who couldn't face making those decisions in the first place.

There was another way of doing it in one part but that didn't happen - set one thing against another thing that is of equal substance. It didn't happen. If anything, the subsequent election has become a substitute for a confirmation vote and its shoehorning into that role has screwed things up completely.

It has been very sobering to see the absolute state of the political class in this country. I think that whatever your party affiliation or vote in the referendum, it is hard to point at anyone (in UK politics) that has emerged from this with a scrap of decency. Of course I live in a fairly liberal bubble/echo chamber so it is possible that there are people out there who think this has gone swimmingly well. But as mentioned above nobody seems to have had a plan or a clue and it's just been blunder after blunder. The fact that the majority of the media have been complicit in allowing politicians to lie, obfuscate and talk absolute nonsense is also something that needs to be addressed. If the press don't hold up accountability and just allow lies to circulate without challenge, we can only go further down in a spiral.

I voted remain and nothing has changed my mind.But if one politician had stepped forward and said, this result was a surprise, we need some time to work out an approach, I would have applauded and supported that. Instead we got 'will of the people' repeated endlessly, obviously as a slick move so no blame could be apportioned to politicians.

That's awesome (and pretty much how I look when I watch the news from Britain...)

If Brexit doesn’t happen, then blame Boris Johnson.

For his hatred of David Cameron to spite him, to change allegiance at the last minute to support leave, for that farcical stunt of that Bus that gave remainers an open door to cancel article 12 or another referendum, he also by shifting allegiance knew there would be a leadership context, with him in pole position to become PM.

For his disloyalty tomTheresa May and voted against his government, when he had a glorious chance to inact Brexit last night, again to further his political ambition.

Brexit or not, I am certain that Boris the serial adulter will never be Prime Minister, which I only can say great.

That's because such a thing doesn't exist - there isn't anything approaching a majority for anything at the minute because too many people have their heads buried in the sand and can't recognise that the only way to avoid any Irish border issues is to at a minimum keep the same extent of customs union that we currently have. And the same with immigration, otherwise every one of the 200 or so crossing points between NI and the Republic will need a passport control booth.

In other words, no Brexit is the only way to avoid the Irish border being reinstated in some formal way.

So, as I have publicly stated on this forum previously, despite being Australian, I am also an EU National- I hold dual passports- so Brexit (if it still goes ahead) affects me directly.

As I type this I am in Sydney, Australia. Trying to be pro-active and in preparation for the fact that I would be away for several weeks I tried to complete my Settled Status application before I left. However to do so it must be completed via an app on your phone. However (get this) it cannot be completed using an i-Phone.

So, I emailed UK Immigration to determine if there was any other method of applying, such as via a laptop. In short, by doing so was added to their mailing list and have been updated with a regular email and told that I must wait until March 30th- the night I fly back into the UK.

So why make this process so difficult? Here is me, wanting to do the right thing legally to stay, trying to be pro-active and given what has happened over the past couple of days, my efforts- in fact the whole Brexit process- was in vain.

Again, I repeat, what a mess!

What happened last night took me quite a while to understand. It was total chaos and read like a night with several bottles of tequila

I don't think it will be Boris. It seems like Jacob Rees-Mogg is the one with the most power in the Tory party so I would expect him to take over after Theresa. Heaven help us and then the choice will be between him and Corbyn. It'll be like being asked which nails you want ripped out first, the fingers or the toes.

I would agree but she's got a majority of something like 5 so you wouldn't want a leader who could so easily lose their seat at the next election.

Absolutely right, I forgot that.

I don't think it will be JRM who takes over from May. I don't feel he's coming out of this fiasco well.

I dont think it is trying to steer us to no deal, which many government ministers have openly admitted would be a disaster - it is steering us (or attempting to at least) to May's deal. Which in a way is sensible (can't believe I am saying that) because the alternative is leaving without a deal and that would be so stupid even a 5 year old could understand it would be wrong. So they are trying to back the Brexiteers who still seem to think no deal will somehow be a good thing into a corner whereby their exit routes are May's deal or No Brexit, and hoping they choose the former.

If that doesn't work then the government does appear to want an extension for renegotiation as they know no deal would be an economic disaster, but the difficulty they face is that they will not get a better deal because there is simply no way to resolve the Irish border question to anyone's satisfaction without staying in the EU. Therefore, they have to try to push May's deal through first.