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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 20:11:50 GMT
Yes please, don't leave us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 20:19:29 GMT
I can just imagine most in the UK and Europe are just over this nonsense now. Whatever you're gonna do or not do, just make your damn mind up and do it far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 12, 2019 21:41:37 GMT
I can just imagine most in the UK and Europe are just over this nonsense now. Whatever you're gonna do or not do, just make your damn mind up and do it far as I'm concerned. I'm sure many are fed up of it. Tough. Whatever the immediate outcome - no deal, A50 extension or revocation - brexit is going to rumble on for literally YEARS. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:31:20 GMT
I can just imagine most in the UK and Europe are just over this nonsense now. Whatever you're gonna do or not do, just make your damn mind up and do it far as I'm concerned. I'm sure many are fed up of it. Tough. Whatever the immediate outcome - no deal, A50 extension or revocation - brexit is going to rumble on for literally YEARS. And we will continue to see it on our newsfeed and scroll down to another story because we're over it. 😂 |
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Post by david on Mar 12, 2019 22:37:42 GMT
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 12, 2019 23:47:15 GMT
I seem to have a memory many (many) posts back stating “What a mess!”.
I am currently abroad watching this from a distance and I feel I am in a position to restate the same.
I rest my case.
Nuff said.
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Post by lynette on Mar 12, 2019 23:59:10 GMT
Thank you, made me smile. Love the way they get 'Ref er en dum' rhythm. There will never be another referendum ( nope not even for ready money) in the U.K. and perhaps we should thank him for that. Nothing else, nothing. Nah get this one out the way and it's capital punishment next Didn’t I just know someone would say this? Interestingly, they won’t call a Ref on this because they are scared of the result. How come they ( Cameron ) didn’t apply this reasoning ( fear) to the EU Ref? Ah well, as it used to say on Birmingham buses and might still say, 'Forward' |
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 13, 2019 5:56:48 GMT
BREAKING NEWS. The National Theatre just announced that Theresa May will star as Lady Bracknell in a new production of The Importance of Being Earnest. May said " I am thrilled to be involved in this comedy and my move into theatre from April 1st 2019. I hope my voice holds out for the run". May trained at the House of Commons School of Farce.
The script will be updated " To lose one meaningful vote may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness!".
A supporting cast has yet to be announced but rumours suggest that Meghan Markle will make her sensational debut on the stage at the NT as the calculating Gwendolen Fairfax, Chuka Umunna will play the independent Algernon Moncrieff and Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn will play the lovelorn couple Miss Prism and Rev Canon Chasuble respectively.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 13, 2019 8:17:31 GMT
I'm sure many are fed up of it. Tough. Whatever the immediate outcome - no deal, A50 extension or revocation - brexit is going to rumble on for literally YEARS. And we will continue to see it on our newsfeed and scroll down to another story because we're over it. 😂 No you won't be "over it", you'll be living in it. And let's spare a thought for the millions for whom this is dragging on badly but whose futures depend on the outcome, and who don't have the luxury of moaning about how bored they are by it or dismissing it as an annoying bit of newsfeed. (Can't think what emoji to put here) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 8:31:58 GMT
And we will continue to see it on our newsfeed and scroll down to another story because we're over it. 😂 No you won't be "over it", you'll be living in it. And let's spare a thought for the millions for whom this is dragging on badly but whose futures depend on the outcome, and who don't have the luxury of moaning about how bored they are by it or dismissing it as an annoying bit of newsfeed. (Can't think what emoji to put here) In fairness, I just wanna stop hearing about it now, sevetywhere we go, so the sooner this whole thing is done the better far as I'm concerned with regards to actually getting it done. I do wonder what the actual outcome will be though? A "no deal"? A second vote? Theresa May attempting another deal to no avail? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 8:37:17 GMT
Yeah, you're literally never going to stop hearing about it. Even if the mods go power-crazy and ban all political discussion from here and you carefully deploy all sorts of mutes and blocks on other social media, you will literally never stop hearing about it. Not for a good twenty years, I reckon.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 13, 2019 8:44:05 GMT
In fairness, I just wanna stop hearing about it now, sevetywhere we go, so the sooner this whole thing is done the better far as I'm concerned with regards to actually getting it done. I do wonder what the actual outcome will be though? A "no deal"? A second vote? Theresa May attempting another deal to no avail? I completely get the frustration with it being all around us all the time and feeling like we can't escape it. But it is huge, the absolute biggest thing the country has faced for decades. My guess is that No Deal will be rejected tonight, followed by agreeing A50 extension tomorrow but I don't really know what that'll achieve. |
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Post by n1david on Mar 13, 2019 9:24:48 GMT
I am at the platform at the Almeida this evening with James Graham and Annie Washburn talking about writing political theatre.
I have no idea what they'll find to talk about.
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Mar 13, 2019 9:56:35 GMT
Post by NeilVHughes on Mar 13, 2019 9:56:35 GMT
@n1david , thanks for heads up, had missed this, now booked as timing is convenient, allows plenty of time to make it the New Diorama to watch Dino-mania which I had already booked.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 13, 2019 10:01:17 GMT
@n1david , thanks for heads up, had missed this, now booked as timing is convenient, allows plenty of time to make it the New Diorama to watch Dino-mania which I had already booked. On a tangent but do report back on Dinomania. |
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Post by lynette on Mar 13, 2019 12:11:12 GMT
I am at the platform at the Almeida this evening with James Graham and Annie Washburn talking about writing political theatre. I have no idea what they'll find to talk about. And? |
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Post by lynette on Mar 13, 2019 12:16:22 GMT
It is ridiculously tedious and frustrating but we have to let it work itself out, let Parliament go through the process and maintain the legalities. Never mind that both sides lied and there was financial shenanigans ( what election from before Cicero was ever free of such?) The bit of democracy that still exists in the world ( and how fast it is crumbling!) depends on European nations having learnt from the past and being able to move forward to another adjustment of co existence. It is all flawed, yes , but as somebody once said, better than the alternatives. Or was that old age v death? 🤪
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Post by n1david on Mar 13, 2019 12:25:52 GMT
I am at the platform at the Almeida this evening with James Graham and Annie Washburn talking about writing political theatre. I have no idea what they'll find to talk about. And? I suspect you may have missed my (admittedly rather poor) ironic observation that, given the state of politics on both sides of the Atlantic, I expect they will have rather a lot to say about writing political theatre at this time. |
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Post by kathryn on Mar 13, 2019 14:55:19 GMT
I was at a Brexit talk at the London Book Fair yesterday. I imagine when they scheduled it they thought they'd know what was actually going to happen by now.
*sigh*
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Post by ptwest on Mar 13, 2019 15:21:43 GMT
I was at a Brexit talk at the London Book Fair yesterday. I imagine when they scheduled it they thought they'd know what was actually going to happen by now. *sigh* I suspect the cycle of Argue / Vote / Defeat / Chaos that we are currently in will outlive us all! |
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Post by theatreian on Mar 13, 2019 15:30:03 GMT
Yes it is sad with such entrenched views on both sides and with the initial vote so close anyway, think it was 52/48 ,it was always going to be difficult to come to an agreement that suited the majority. This prolonged period of uncertainty though doesn't help anyone and I just hope it gets resolved soon.
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Post by vdcni on Mar 13, 2019 15:55:45 GMT
But no attempt was made to find an agreement that the majority could support. As soon as Theresa May came up with her bullsh*t red lines we've been negotiating on the basis of a hard Brexit. A soft Brexit (which would have been the most sensible compromise given the closeness of the vote) would have probably passed by now as most people would have made their peace with it. It would have been a pointless waste of time but it wouldn't have been as horribly damaging as a hard Brexit or No Deal.
All we've had since the vote is will of the people, clear result for leaving the EU when it was anything but while the blatant illegal actions from the Leave side have been essentially ignored.
Theresa May and the government chose to pursue a hard brexit while ignoring the views of remainers and other parties and they did so to keep the Conservative party united, which is the only reason we had a referendum in the first place, and in the end they haven't even managed that.
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Post by Backdrifter on Mar 13, 2019 16:23:12 GMT
But no attempt was made to find an agreement that the majority could support. As soon as Theresa May came up with her bullsh*t red lines we've been negotiating on the basis of a hard Brexit. A soft Brexit (which would have been the most sensible compromise given the closeness of the vote) would have probably passed by now as most people would have made their peace with it. It would have been a pointless waste of time but it wouldn't have been as horribly damaging as a hard Brexit or No Deal. All we've had since the vote is will of the people, clear result for leaving the EU when it was anything but while the blatant illegal actions from the Leave side have been essentially ignored. Theresa May and the government chose to pursue a hard brexit while ignoring the views of remainers and other parties and they did so to keep the Conservative party united, which is the only reason we had a referendum in the first place, and in the end they haven't even managed that. Absolutely spot-on. As mentioned earlier, in the future this whole period will be looked back on and picked over in wonderment and disbelief. Essentially: Leader of anti-EU party becomes popular thanks to sustained coverage and general acceptance as a chummy grinning beer-swiller (when he is in fact a nasty piece of work)
His popularity raises party profile, Tory right-wingers leeched in
PM caves in to idea of EU in/out referendum to appease party extremists and keep party united, which is the main aim and anyway in the run-up to the 2015 General Election the EU wasn't even in electorate's top 5 concerns
Ill-advised binary choice non-binding referendum with no supermajority requirement is agreed
No-one seriously believes Leave will win, literally no planning for a brexit is done, Remain runs a lacklustre campaign and fails to understand the thinking and feelings behind pro-Leave
Through the above and nefarious means Leave wins
PM resigns and walks away from the mess he created
Messy leadership process produces least bad PM, or so we thinkThen as per vdcni's post, pausing of course to mention: the triggering of Article 50 with no planning
holding a snap election to capitalise on massive lead over Labour and secure firm mandate for brexit process but in fact leading to loss of existing majority and then limping along propped up by bribing 10 homophobic creationists who can then hold the government firmly by the flaps of the PM's collarless jacket
an Opposition who having ridden the crest of the 2017 election wave, then dither about on the whim of the leader who is known to be anti-EU but won't make any kind of definitive statement, whips his members to vote with the government, ignores a series of government own-goals, and looks limp and ineffectual in non-handling of anti-semitism and loses a group of members. Manages to trail the worse government in living memory by 10% in some polls. |
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Post by n1david on Mar 13, 2019 16:30:01 GMT
Don't think I can argue with a word of the above.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 16:45:14 GMT
Theresa May is claiming she understands the voice of the country. So that's the same understanding that resulted in a disastrous election and numerous defeats in the Commons, is it?
Someone needs to tell her she's already got the record for the most blitheringly incompetent Prime Minister in living memory. She can stop trying now.
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