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Post by alwfan on May 30, 2024 16:23:22 GMT
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Post by richey on May 30, 2024 17:26:15 GMT
New trailer for anyone who might have overlooked it in the noise11 review posted above by alwfan Looks spectacular but Sarah is disappointing
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 30, 2024 18:36:50 GMT
It does look fabulous visually, as does Sarah. What a shame if her performance doesn’t hack it.
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Post by mattnyc on May 30, 2024 19:10:12 GMT
I’m still traveling halfway around the world for this in a few weeks - it’s absolutely something to brag that you saw.
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Post by anthony40 on May 30, 2024 19:49:51 GMT
Although I am from Sydney, family on my mithers side all live in Melbourne.
I have messaged them with the recommendation to go and see it, as I will when it travels to Sydney.
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Post by chernjam on May 30, 2024 21:19:06 GMT
New trailer for anyone who might have overlooked it in the noise11 review posted above by alwfan Looks spectacular but Sarah is disappointing This is the first Sunset ad I can ever remember where they seem to feature Joe's performances and singing over Norma's...
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Post by magnificentdonkey on May 30, 2024 22:08:23 GMT
Full performance of the title song from the press call:
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Post by mattnyc on May 30, 2024 22:33:23 GMT
Anyone know if Sarah has come out of the stage door after shows?
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 31, 2024 5:12:30 GMT
This production looks stunning. Everything set and costume wise is so perfect. But have to admit in that short clip I'm not sold on Sarah's voice
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 31, 2024 5:13:31 GMT
Oh sorry didn't see the trailer posted above the title song performance
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Post by woobl on May 31, 2024 12:49:03 GMT
I'm sure they could of waited two years on the license and gotten the Jamie Lloyd production. Shame Australians won't be getting it anytime soon. I'll still go and see this in Sydney though.
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Post by ilovewemusicals on May 31, 2024 15:04:40 GMT
Anyone know if Sarah has come out of the stage door after shows? I know at first she just waved and left but that was when she was ill. I saw someone post a programme signed by her. I doubt she would have photos as she charges over £600 for a picture with her at her solo concerts. She wouldn’t want to devalue that.
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Post by max on Jun 2, 2024 10:33:53 GMT
Anyone know if Sarah has come out of the stage door after shows? I know at first she just waved and left but that was when she was ill. I saw someone post a programme signed by her. I doubt she would have photos as she charges over £600 for a picture with her at her solo concerts. She wouldn’t want to devalue that. Jaw on the floor. If that's right then any sympathy for her over the stinging reviews for her performance totally evaporates.
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Post by Being Alive on Jun 3, 2024 10:43:42 GMT
I heard an audio of her singing With One Look and it was absolutely dreadful, so I can't imagine how terrible this must have been to sit through.
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 3, 2024 11:04:34 GMT
I don't know what people were expecting..?
She was genuinely awful at the curtain call for the Phantom Albert Hall concert. Pitch correction in the DVD for that does only so much, but when they start to mix in a multitrack from the ORIGINAL cast recording, you KNOW her voice is not in the greatest state.
I hope the rest of the run goes well at least...
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Post by Being Alive on Jun 3, 2024 13:17:10 GMT
Oh I figured she'd be bad, but I was surprised that she's somehow been allowed to do this when the voice is THAT shot...
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 3, 2024 13:57:19 GMT
Oh I figured she'd be bad, but I was surprised that she's somehow been allowed to do this when the voice is THAT shot... Yeah... unfortunately it seems like a very 'yes men' situation where she's been given the go-ahead when she's in that kind of state.
I think some part of this production is trying to emulate that star quality that JL relied upon to get people to the theatre. People talk about the JL design, but I think Nicole was seriously pulling the weight for most of that production, and they tried to do that with Sarah Brightman here, but she is in like the late-late-late stages of being utterly vocally shot to bits and it doesn't seem like she wants to do much to recover/calm down.
But when someone who can't pull off Norma is at the centre, it's like you've lost one of the load-bearing walls. It's a shame, because it sounds like everyone else is really good and trying their best to hold up the house.
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Post by drowseychap on Jun 4, 2024 1:05:49 GMT
Oh I figured she'd be bad, but I was surprised that she's somehow been allowed to do this when the voice is THAT shot... Does make me think 🤔 how she does all these live concerts and sounds amazing … I remember seeing her harem tour and spoke to one of the sound guys he insisted of course she was 100% live and used no click tracks or anything. I said I was asking as she sounded so perfect I saw a you tube clip of her singing poto a few months back in concert sounded almost too perfect ? I’m a huge fan and saw her live in concert 4 times and she was amazing Shane to hear she’s not good now
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Post by max on Jun 4, 2024 9:58:45 GMT
Oh I figured she'd be bad, but I was surprised that she's somehow been allowed to do this when the voice is THAT shot... Does make me think 🤔 how she does all these live concerts and sounds amazing … I remember seeing her harem tour and spoke to one of the sound guys he insisted of course she was 100% live and used no click tracks or anything. I said I was asking as she sounded so perfect I saw a you tube clip of her singing poto a few months back in concert sounded almost too perfect ? I’m a huge fan and saw her live in concert 4 times and she was amazing Shane to hear she’s not good now This thread sent me looking on youtube for a fancam of her at the encore of 'Phantom' anniversary at the Albert Hall, so without any commercial release wizardry. She sounds fine; due to applause it's Colm Wilkinson who comes in at the wrong place so sounds out of tune (but that's a timing not tuning issue). She doesn't sound great in the lower register, and has to take breaths too often and quite noisy gasps, and we all assume the cadenza is mimed, so not a lot of singing altogether. It was 13 years ago. In the highly controlled situation of her own high tech gigs I'm sure all of those quirks/faults could be managed and muted live. Literally someone on the 'gasp muting button'. Her concert repertoire sound seems quite floating and ethereal, meaning that the songs are built for pauses and breaths, and of course talitored to hit all of the sweetest spots of her voice. That's before you get to some kind enhancement at the desk. All so different from taking a role in 'Sunset Boulevard' that has sung lines at the rhythms and intensity of ordinary speech. When I heard on 'X' that this was bad at 'Sunset Boulevard' I did think it was a shame if inability there casts doubt on her concerts - and I really hope they've not used a lot of fakery; for the audience's sake. If so, she'd have been caught in a kind of self-delusion about her current abilities, akin to Max writing Norma's fan mail. From the interviews it looks like she was aware of the challenge though, and must have asked someone she trusts 'can I really do this?'. Failing that - trust noone, record your own voice and listen to it back!
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Post by chernjam on Jun 4, 2024 16:55:58 GMT
Does make me think 🤔 how she does all these live concerts and sounds amazing … I remember seeing her harem tour and spoke to one of the sound guys he insisted of course she was 100% live and used no click tracks or anything. I said I was asking as she sounded so perfect I saw a you tube clip of her singing poto a few months back in concert sounded almost too perfect ? I’m a huge fan and saw her live in concert 4 times and she was amazing Shane to hear she’s not good now This thread sent me looking on youtube for a fancam of her at the encore of 'Phantom' anniversary at the Albert Hall, so without any commercial release wizardry. She sounds fine; due to applause it's Colm Wilkinson who comes in at the wrong place so sounds out of tune (but that's a timing not tuning issue). She doesn't sound great in the lower register, and has to take breaths too often and quite noisy gasps, and we all assume the cadenza is mimed, so not a lot of singing altogether. It was 13 years ago. In the highly controlled situation of her own high tech gigs I'm sure all of those quirks/faults could be managed and muted live. Literally someone on the 'gasp muting button'. Her concert repertoire sound seems quite floating and ethereal, meaning that the songs are built for pauses and breaths, and of course talitored to hit all of the sweetest spots of her voice. That's before you get to some kind enhancement at the desk. All so different from taking a role in 'Sunset Boulevard' that has sung lines at the rhythms and intensity of ordinary speech. When I heard on 'X' that this was bad at 'Sunset Boulevard' I did think it was a shame if inability there casts doubt on her concerts - and I really hope they've not used a lot of fakery; for the audience's sake. If so, she'd have been caught in a kind of self-delusion about her current abilities, akin to Max writing Norma's fan mail. From the interviews it looks like she was aware of the challenge though, and must have asked someone she trusts 'can I really do this?'. Failing that - trust noone, record your own voice and listen to it back! Sadly she's already put ALW on the hook for it saying he talked her into doing it and said that he wrote the score with her voice in mind (!!!) Kind of surprising since he wasn't at the premiere and there hasn't been a peep from him about the opening or anything - and it seemed like RUG was kind of un involved with the production that this was really simply an Opera Australia thing.
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 4, 2024 17:21:49 GMT
Very good deep dive maxFunny you mention CW entering prematurely; seems like an issue he randomly has with this song in particular..! If you listen to the original Sydmonton bootleg, he makes the exact same mistake in that as in this concert.
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Post by max on Jun 4, 2024 17:56:31 GMT
Very good deep dive max Funny you mention CW entering prematurely; seems like an issue he randomly has with this song in particular..! If you listen to the original Sydmonton bootleg, he makes the exact same mistake in that as in this concert. I don't know how they corrected it for the commercial release of the Albert Hall anniversary version. Was Sarah Brightman there at all performances? Or perhaps they kept everyone on for some retakes. What's on the bootleg of Colm seems beyond correction.
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Post by max on Jun 4, 2024 18:05:08 GMT
chernjam , the interview is strange. She says a lot of it was written on her voice, which a lot of the press picked up as a headline; rather fatally suggesting an 'I've come home at last' situation. But elsewhere in the interview she says a lot of the music was written for other pieces and then shifted into 'Sunset Boulevard'. So that would be the equivalent of 'Married Man' being written on her voice but then becoming 'Music Of The Night' - and I don't suppose the Phantom sings it in the same key that Sarah Brightman sang 'Married Man'. I've only seen her on a US TV show doing it, and boy the lyrics are clunky - fascinating how a song can transform. She wasn't lying of course, but across the piece the truth hints at why she may have tricked herself into this. Yet, to get the best of her own depleting voice I think she sensibly knows everything about where to pitch songs in her concerts. Who would be so persuasive as to encourage her to overcome her own good sense? Who would forget the lesson of their own well-known but fascinating anecdote about Judy Garland's signature song turning on her that night at The Talk Of The Town in London?
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Post by magnificentdonkey on Jun 4, 2024 18:35:16 GMT
...(Sarah) said that he wrote the score with her voice in mind (!!!) I think there might be at least some truth to this statement. Sort of confirmed here (well, in a way), especially from 01:12 to 01:30
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Post by chernjam on Jun 4, 2024 19:07:54 GMT
Its great to be in the company of people like Max and Magnificent Donkey who are as rabid ALW fans as I am and can recall these tid bits. Max - that makes a lot of sense ("Married Man" which was initially in Aspects becoming "Music of the Night" - which thankfully was done. When I saw the video of Brightman singing that on Johnny Carson I think I winced at how awful the lyrics were and how out of place that would've been) And Magnificent Donkey - that's helpful too remembering the With One Look being initially for "The Little Mermaid"
Unfortunately though, its not sounding like its working in its current form of Sarah as Norma
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