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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 13:44:09 GMT
I stand by my statements. Probably one of the reasons we have cut emissions is that we have outsourced most of our production of “things” to China! I also don’t care how much we have already done….I demand more. I know we can continue to persuade others to save, and it will have a large effect, but that doesn’t stop us doing this thing right in our country! Don’t open new oilfields or dig up more coal. Invest properly in sustainable power…I mean how are we even building new houses without all the proper Green tech? Why can’t we invest to cover all cycle paths/supermarket car parks with solar panels? Wave technology, wind technology. Do the retrofit of insulation in poor quality housing to save people money (mostly poor people!). Set up training schools to train up technicians required to properly install heat pumps and a quality mark for registered fitters. Think “cut emissions” before EVERY decision. I think you will find there are some vested interests in this country, which means Fracking and Oil still win….. I am constantly depressed to live in a country with so little ambition. If someone today suggested “NHS” or even “Libraries” the retort would be “oh, we can’t afford that”! It’s like we have lost all ambition and moral compass sometimes! I'll agree on the training of people to do jobs which are environmentally positive even if we totally disagree on JSO actions. The NHS is something we virtually all rely on, libaries especially for children are important although what the sale of physical books are now compared to 30 or so years ago as the print industry has declined and we are all ttold to print considerately. My main issue has always been politicans preaching cutting emmisions, use cycle paths but flying all over the world, sweeping around in their convoys but people are made to feel giuilty about driving to work. How many politicians have we seen going to Israel when meetings could be done on Zoom let alone before we consider should they be "sticking their noses" into other countries business when really UN and NATO should be those holding negoiations. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 17:33:51 GMT
I stand by my statements. Probably one of the reasons we have cut emissions is that we have outsourced most of our production of “things” to China! I also don’t care how much we have already done….I demand more. I know we can continue to persuade others to save, and it will have a large effect, but that doesn’t stop us doing this thing right in our country! Don’t open new oilfields or dig up more coal. Invest properly in sustainable power…I mean how are we even building new houses without all the proper Green tech? Why can’t we invest to cover all cycle paths/supermarket car parks with solar panels? Wave technology, wind technology. Do the retrofit of insulation in poor quality housing to save people money (mostly poor people!). Set up training schools to train up technicians required to properly install heat pumps and a quality mark for registered fitters. Think “cut emissions” before EVERY decision. I think you will find there are some vested interests in this country, which means Fracking and Oil still win….. I am constantly depressed to live in a country with so little ambition. If someone today suggested “NHS” or even “Libraries” the retort would be “oh, we can’t afford that”! It’s like we have lost all ambition and moral compass sometimes! I appreciate you stand by your statement, and I stand by mine that JSO are complete waste of time and need to crawl back under the rock they came out of. People have had major life altering events like a stroke that could have been treated, but couldn't because the ambulance was stuck in one of their protests. They have gone and caused criminal damage to buildings, who pays for the repairs, tax payers (during a cost of living crisis) - did anything change as a result no. Everyday they are loosing the good will of Joe Public and what have they achieved in the last year - pretty much nothing. As I said in the past, they need to win over Joe Public, not pee them off (or worse). Target the government, target the policy makers and encourage Joe Public to support you. Making people late for work can result in reduction in wages, or even loss of job, stopping ambulances getting through traffic jams that you cause is not going to make people sympathetic to your cause. |
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Post by Jonnyboy on Oct 26, 2023 15:38:52 GMT
Orange paint thrown over a dinosaur skeleton at the Natural History Museum now.
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Post by toomasj on Oct 26, 2023 15:40:18 GMT
Orange paint thrown over a dinosaur skeleton at the Natural History Museum now. Cretins. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 26, 2023 15:52:48 GMT
FFS
It is time for serious prison time. Destroying our heritage is no way to protect our future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 16:45:14 GMT
Orange paint thrown over a dinosaur skeleton at the Natural History Museum now. I don't see how criminal damage like that benefits their cause, it just makes me turn against them that little bit more. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 26, 2023 17:00:22 GMT
Thankfully it was a replica skeleton rather than the original. But it is still a pointless bit of vandalism that should see the perpetrators inside.
A few nights in Belmarsh might give them the necessary short, sharp shock
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 26, 2023 17:08:59 GMT
Thankfully it was a replica skeleton rather than the original. But it is still a pointless bit of vandalism that should see the perpetrators inside. A few nights in Belmarsh might give them the necessary short, sharp shock So it didn’t damage our “heritage” and is trying to save our future so we can all look back on our “heritage”? It is almost like they thought this through carefully…… Save your prison cells for some of the people spending our taxes and allowing uncapped bonuses for bankers! I get it is annoying. I get it makes your blood boil. But they won’t listen to reasonable as they are in it for the money! And reasonable gets no coverage. Chat to some young people…..they understand why the protests have to happen! And be annoying…..!!!! |
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 26, 2023 17:10:04 GMT
Also, fair play for pointing out it was a replica.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 26, 2023 17:50:17 GMT
We aren't going to agree on this.
Just because some young people agree with JSO doesn't mean anything significant.
A very small number of people agree with using criminal damage as a legitimate form of process. It isn't. It is just criminal behaviour. And should be treated as such.
JSO are not achieving their aims. They are not changing minds. They are not winning arguments.
They have lost support of leading campaigners like Chris Packham.
It is time to retire their current tactics and focus their activities in other directions that don't alienate the public.
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Post by Jon on Oct 26, 2023 18:07:16 GMT
I fear that a JSO protestor is going to get hurt or killed if they're not careful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 19:08:25 GMT
Thankfully it was a replica skeleton rather than the original. But it is still a pointless bit of vandalism that should see the perpetrators inside. A few nights in Belmarsh might give them the necessary short, sharp shock So it didn’t damage our “heritage” and is trying to save our future so we can all look back on our “heritage”? It is almost like they thought this through carefully…… Save your prison cells for some of the people spending our taxes and allowing uncapped bonuses for bankers! I get it is annoying. I get it makes your blood boil. But they won’t listen to reasonable as they are in it for the money! And reasonable gets no coverage. Chat to some young people…..they understand why the protests have to happen! And be annoying…..!!!! It doesn't matter that it's a replica - it's still criminal damage, and they should be dealt with. How about if someone started throwing paint around your house shouting save the whales - they are protesting, I understand that so they shouldn't be punished? |
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 26, 2023 20:04:04 GMT
So it didn’t damage our “heritage” and is trying to save our future so we can all look back on our “heritage”? It is almost like they thought this through carefully…… Save your prison cells for some of the people spending our taxes and allowing uncapped bonuses for bankers! I get it is annoying. I get it makes your blood boil. But they won’t listen to reasonable as they are in it for the money! And reasonable gets no coverage. Chat to some young people…..they understand why the protests have to happen! And be annoying…..!!!! It doesn't matter that it's a replica - it's still criminal damage, and they should be dealt with. How about if someone started throwing paint around your house shouting save the whales - they are protesting, I understand that so they shouldn't be punished? Yeah, but please proportionate….get them to clean it up maybe? But jail them for days in a high security prison to “teach them a lesson” or run over them if they slow walk? Or just get out your car and attack them? It’s the rage and scale of what people are suggesting that seems to get all out of proportion. These people are not trying to harm you, they are trying to save the planet! By all means sentence them to a bit of litter picking if you must! Why do people hate them so much…and don’t say “hold up an ambulance” etc, because it’s more likely that the Conservative governement lack of investment will make your ambulance late to arrive!…it’s more “I want my day out at the theatre, or to not be slightly inconvenienced for one day” when people in low lying countries may lose their whole country…..catch yourself on. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
Criminal damage is criminal damage regardless their "good" intentions. I believe in saving the planet, but I also believe that those that cause criminal damage regardless of their reasons should be punished.
I believe in getting homeless people off the street and into accommodation, so if I wear a t-shirt with a slogan end homelessness and spray paint an MP's car that's OK? or how about since I believe that all kids should get free school meals so how about I throw paint over monuments of cultural figures in London is that OK? The answer is no, criminal damage should be dealt with by prosecuting those offenders the law is black and white and there should be no grey areas just because they apparently want to stop climate change.
I dislike them because they are idiots targeting the wrong people, and they make me want to turn my heating up on full blast and waste fuel in protest of their idiotic protests and hope they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 26, 2023 20:17:31 GMT
Making them clean up won't achieve anything
They need to be treated like the criminals they are.
There are ways to protest that don't involve criminality.
We should not tolerate this any longer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 0:27:56 GMT
I've got strong feelings on this and have to watch what I say but a short sharp stint inside might be what a few of these spoilt rich kids need. At least Swampy was all in for his cause and did it in a peaceful way. Plus if the same people are perpetuating these incidents like points on a driving licence they will build up and some of them will get locked up.
Or the government just bans the organisation they can soon do it when they want to. I know they aren't terrorists but they are a damn nuisance and other organisations have been banned when they haven't actually done anything. I think a recently banned organisation which has been in the news in the last few weeks has more supporters in this country than JCO to be honest.
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Post by lynette on Oct 27, 2023 22:07:48 GMT
All this warm weather, that’s the problem. What we need a re regular thunder storms and hail. Won’t see so many protests then. One of the ‘side issues’ of climate change is sociopolitical.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 3, 2023 16:44:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2023 17:18:43 GMT
Judge Snow is now my favourite judge, the protestor should have thought about how their actions could impact their trip to India when they decided to protest. |
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 3, 2023 17:34:23 GMT
I hope she's sailing to and from India.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2023 17:58:41 GMT
I hope she's sailing to and from India. Doubt it, there are quite a few hypocrites in JSO |
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Nov 3, 2023 19:59:15 GMT
Regardless of if you support them or not, it is quite funny that the protestor didn’t seem to take into account that they would be arrested for trespass or that their trial might get in the way of an international trip. Also the irony that they were arguing that people missing out on Les Mis wasn’t as important as the climate catastrophe, but expecting their trip to be taken into consideration |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 1:27:09 GMT
Judge Snow is now my favourite judge, the protestor should have thought about how their actions could impact their trip to India when they decided to protest. I guess only being up in front of the Magistrates Bench would not mean they were on full bail as if so then wouldn't passports have to be surrendered or they wouldn't be allowed to leave the country. I'll second the appreciation of Judge Snow. |
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Post by foxa on Nov 6, 2023 13:45:16 GMT
Two JSO protestors smashed the protective glass on the Rokeby Venus at the National Gallery this morning and then gave (GCSE Drama-style) declarations (video is online) connecting their actions with the suffragettes.
I actively support green efforts but I think these actions are counter-productive.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 6, 2023 14:05:46 GMT
This all has to stop.
These criminals need to be jailed for long enough to make it clear that criminal damage is not legitimate protest.
And those organising it need to serve time for conspiracy
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