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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 16:00:45 GMT
It is an offshoot of JSO These ones like to throw glitter. Just hope it is biodegradable... That's really clever, annoying the person who is likely to be our next PM and who is also a lawyer. If Sir Kier took it personally he could potentially change his parties' stance as regards the JSO objectives. Also the talk about banning JSO the Tories would happily do it if they thought they could force vote through and this sort of antic could sway some Labour MPs to follow suit. If it had been someone who was a traditional socialist who had interrupted Sir Kier's speech then I could understand that. But again someone has got very close to a very senior political figure so it helps the narrative that JSO could be see as a security threat. The next person who gets so close to a senior politician or royal may have more sinister intentions. Then we run the risk of the armed diplomatic/royal protection officers having to react in a split second. |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 10, 2023 21:50:55 GMT
On the other hand, the pictures of it make Starmer look amazing with all that sparkle around him, and the Labour Party press office has already got themed merch out.
Add the fact that they didn’t even bother protesting at the Tory Party conference…making him look politically more important than Rishi Sunak.
At this point the incompetence of the protestors at achieving their stated aims is looking kinda ridiculous.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 10, 2023 21:55:40 GMT
JSO did protest the Tory Conference last week.
The difference could be that security was tighter and any attempt at a direct assault on the party leader was not attempted.
The failure of security today raises serious questions
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Post by Jon on Oct 10, 2023 22:03:10 GMT
JSO did protest the Tory Conference last week. The difference could be that security was tighter and any attempt at a direct assault on the party leader was not attempted. The failure of security today raises serious questions The security at the Tory Conference is likely higher because the PM is there. I would imagine that if there is a whiff of a protestor next time, they will be removed ASAP. |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 11, 2023 8:01:02 GMT
JSO did protest the Tory Conference last week. The difference could be that security was tighter and any attempt at a direct assault on the party leader was not attempted. The failure of security today raises serious questions I missed it! Distracted from the substantive political protest by the pointless musical theatre one. And if that doesn’t indicate that JSO are just really bad at this…. |
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 11, 2023 12:34:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 18:56:22 GMT
Fair enough if the protest was for proportional representation but my issue would be the protester got right next to Sir Kier which is a huge security breach. The person was right by Sir Kier for at least 8 seconds before security arrived and you can add another couple of seconds on from when he first lept on stage. Then it was left to 2 female security staff to drag the protester away. I would have hoped they could have acted quicker if required and that goodness the protest was non violent.
We had a referendum on PR in 2011 and I actually voted for it so we have had a chance to consider that in fairly recent years. But the two main parties will always feel they can still win an election so nothing much will really change there. Also when the Lib Dems went into power sharing they were wiped out in 2015 and 20 plus years hard work went down the plug hole. Even after 2 hung parliaments in 2010 and 2017 there seems no great clammer for it.
Also as regards the possibility of injunctions against protest groups. A member of Animal Rising today has been fined 10k for breaching an injunction and protesting on course at the Derby in June.
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Post by mkb on Oct 19, 2023 11:27:58 GMT
Protesters (including Greta Thunberg) demonstrating yesterday outside a hotel hosting a conference of oil executives, and today outside an investment bank that chooses to invest heavily in fossil fuels, now that is something I can get behind.
It's chilling that these more sensible and targeted protests are deemed illegal by the police, although oddly, it helps. Without famous arrests, there would be no media coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 19:16:52 GMT
Greta whilst I may not agree with a lot of her ways, does protest peacefully and doesn't cause criminal damage. Plus I'll respect her for when she travelled I think across the Atlantic by sea to reduce her carbon footprint so she practiced what she preached.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 22:36:26 GMT
This driver is my hero :-
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 23, 2023 11:47:02 GMT
We have another slow walk process in the centre of Oxford this lunchtime.
Just pathetic.
Infuriating the public only loses support for real change.
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Post by Jan on Oct 23, 2023 14:59:39 GMT
We have another slow walk process in the centre of Oxford this lunchtime. Just pathetic. Infuriating the public only loses support for real change. To be fair Oxford council have done far more to inconvenience road users in the centre of Oxford than JSO have ever done. Local taxi drivers are going out of business due to permanent traffic jams on the outer roads that the council have forced all cars onto. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 23, 2023 15:10:57 GMT
I am glad I no longer live in the city centre. Oxfordshire County Council and their anti car obsession is ruining the city.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 16:43:45 GMT
This driver is my hero :- I have zero sympathy for JSO. I did chuckle to the guy that shouted "there's people on the floor f**king idiot" - I feel the idiots are the ones that decide to sit in the middle of a road in front of a coach. I have said it before, but they don't generate sympathy or change in target Joe Public, they need to target and inconvenience the policy makers they can make change happen. Making me late for work is not going to make me insulate my house, recycle more, drive an electric car or any of that stuff. Making me late for work makes me angry at the protestors, and possible lose pay (or worse for continued lateness). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 17:41:50 GMT
Imagine a police interview if one of them had ended up being run over. "I ran down the road and sat in front of a moving coach and it went over me without stopping". Its almost like they want their own "One Under".
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 24, 2023 1:17:37 GMT
There is talk that they are going to try to disrupt a live Strictly broadcast.
Let's hope the scarcity of tickets and security prevents this
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 24, 2023 6:13:52 GMT
Will you all just stop and listen to yourselves? These people are protesting about our government’s reluctance to ditch fossil fuels which are ruining the planet. Honestly. And don’t tell me they are “protesting the wrong way” ……at leat they are getting publicity for the issue and doing something. It will be far more inconvenient if global warming leads to huge weather events and parts of the world becoming uninhabitable - where do you think all the people will go?
Save your anger for the irresponsible and corrupt politicians and the millionaires who hide their wealth as they think they need ALL their money and the rest of society don’t need any.
Being nice and protesting the “right” way never won many battles.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 24, 2023 8:39:48 GMT
Sorry but they are not getting publicity for what they believe in. They are generating animosity. They are creating antagonism. They are not winning people to their way of thinking.
Each time they embark on this sort of activity, disrupting sporting/cultural events or causing criminal damage, they make it harder for other green issue campaigners to get heard.
Chris Packham has rejected their approach
They have lost their main funder
Because they acknowledge that this approach isn't working
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Post by Jan on Oct 24, 2023 9:05:14 GMT
Will you all just stop and listen to yourselves? These people are protesting about our government’s reluctance to ditch fossil fuels which are ruining the planet. Honestly. Its simply untrue that the government are reluctant to ditch fossil fuels. UK leads the developed world in decarbonisation. Emissions have dropped by almost 50% since 1990 and are at levels last seen in 1888. The reductions are both on a producer and consumer basis that accounts for offshoring industry to China. Petrol/Diesel cars and gas boilers are being phased out on the same schedule as the EU. There is a law that requires net zero by 2050. What more do you want ? In reality it is not the government who are reluctant but voters and if you try to go faster they will vote for parties who genuinely are reluctant as is happening right now in Germany. ULEZ protests are a very small indication of what will happen. It is a form of Little Englander thinking firstly that at only 1% of world emissions anything we do here will have any impact at all but secondly that we can somehow set an example by our policies - no one could care less least of all China whose emissions just in the last decade have been greater than UK emissions in the whole of recorded history. As to millionaires - how about the JSO backer who made his fortune from taxpayer subsidised green energy. Follow the money. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 10:45:47 GMT
How would the JSO mob like it if one of theire family was delayed getting to a hospital due to their actions or if one of them went under a car during the protests and the affected motorists all refused to let emergency services through to treat JSO person?
As regards Strictly this was via the Daily Mail and some of their Strictly comments have been almost "Mary Whitehouse-esque" - Laytons tight workout gear, Anton being told off for making a joke about him and Craig doing a lift in the nude etc.
Those tickets are balloted and I'd assume JSO members would be known. Its not like getting a ticket off a secondary market for a sports event etc. The studio could soon be cleared of any paint dust they might try to throw too and the camera soon cuts away from any such protests.
As regards Chris Packham supportung them and then not, a lot probably has to do with his TV work. Would the BBC be able to still employ him if he carried on supporting them with their protesting tactics? So Chris proabably feels he can get his message across by retaining his public platform on the Beeb and being able to highlight issues and try to educate people.
Chris has been on our screens for pushing 40 years from when he started as a young Billy Idol lookalike presenter in the 1980's and has always been a fun and informative prrsence to watch.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 24, 2023 10:49:14 GMT
Most live broadcasts are not actually shown truly live. There is often a short delay to allow for anything serious not to be shown.
I don't know whether Strictly is like this. But I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 24, 2023 11:46:54 GMT
I stand by my statements. Probably one of the reasons we have cut emissions is that we have outsourced most of our production of “things” to China!
I also don’t care how much we have already done….I demand more. I know we can continue to persuade others to save, and it will have a large effect, but that doesn’t stop us doing this thing right in our country!
Don’t open new oilfields or dig up more coal. Invest properly in sustainable power…I mean how are we even building new houses without all the proper Green tech? Why can’t we invest to cover all cycle paths/supermarket car parks with solar panels? Wave technology, wind technology. Do the retrofit of insulation in poor quality housing to save people money (mostly poor people!). Set up training schools to train up technicians required to properly install heat pumps and a quality mark for registered fitters. Think “cut emissions” before EVERY decision.
I think you will find there are some vested interests in this country, which means Fracking and Oil still win…..
I am constantly depressed to live in a country with so little ambition. If someone today suggested “NHS” or even “Libraries” the retort would be “oh, we can’t afford that”! It’s like we have lost all ambition and moral compass sometimes!
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Post by crowblack on Oct 24, 2023 12:04:44 GMT
They should be protesting 'lifestyle'. The Halloween or Christmas aisles in supermarkets, spider outfits and reindeer antlers for dogs, out of season fruit and veg flown in from halfway round the world. 'World T shirt day' in November (world jumper day, that should be!), teenagers who wear something for an hour then chuck it in the wash. Turn your central heating down a notch or two. Stop flushing chemicals down the drains. Fast fashion. All disposable tat. Packaging. Highlighting the appalling human rights records of many of the places profiting from oil. But not ruining the special events that many people less well off than many of the Jocastas and Mungos doing this turn up to ruin.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 24, 2023 12:34:38 GMT
I stand by my statements... I think you will find there are some vested interests in this country, which means Fracking and Oil still win…. There has been a moratorium on fracking in the UK since 2019. I hardly call that winning. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 13:34:49 GMT
Most live broadcasts are not actually shown truly live. There is often a short delay to allow for anything serious not to be shown. I don't know whether Strictly is like this. But I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I read that there is a 6 or so second delay on a lot of live broadcasts recently as in the US Dwayne Johnson made a surprise return as the Rock for WWE due to Hollywood strike and got the crowd chanting A**hole at one of the heels/bad guys and the guy on the bleep was having a job to keep up with it as Rock had one side chanting one part of the word and then the other side the other and was switching them over. Plus on phone in shows like say Jeremy Vine I'd guess there would be a likely delay there to avoid having a Five Star incident like back in the day on the BBC Saaturday Morning show, |
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