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Post by paddy72 on Nov 25, 2023 10:35:41 GMT
Nice reply Mickey Jo. You’re a gentleman.
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Post by lookingatthestars on Nov 25, 2023 11:39:54 GMT
Yes, a beautiful response Micky Jo.
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Post by alece10 on Nov 25, 2023 12:04:36 GMT
I really do need to have another eye test as I read Floggers instead if Vloggers and thought how brave it was for someone to post about S&M.
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 25, 2023 13:14:59 GMT
if anyone does want to know about the current PR ticket process or the economics of YouTube, I could shed a little light on some of that. Yes please. I'd be very interested, as would many others, I'm sure.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 25, 2023 18:47:25 GMT
I wish Westend Whingers were Still around. I loved their reviews and their "Strallomoter" ( excuse spelling). I loved them so much. So witty and the reviews were laugh out loud funny.
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 27, 2023 11:20:55 GMT
I follow Shaun Tossell.
He seems pretty much on the ball with what's happening.
I have also met him on several occasions.
Shaun Tossell and Mickey-Jo are friends. I have seen them on many occasions together (along with Mickey-Jo's fiancee Aaron James) at varying events such as the West End Flea Market, West End Woofs and Musicals.con
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 4, 2024 19:33:20 GMT
I wonder who this is....
Can't say I'm surprised though.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 4, 2024 21:15:30 GMT
I know there are local papers who won't publish negative reviews of local theatres for fear of losing advertising revenue. I have only written for them once and wasn't edited.
Similarly when I was part of the WoS team, there was never any pressure to tailor reviews to suit advertisers. That may have changed in recent years but I doubt it.
But the idea of charging for a review is utterly wrong.
I must admit I would love to be able to claim travel/parking expenses but that just has never been an option.
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Post by criticalprole on Feb 5, 2024 21:07:12 GMT
I wonder who this is.... Can't say I'm surprised though. I'll be honest, that whole thread has the powerful whiff on bullsh*t to it. He's cagey about the whole thing and the story is inconsistent. It simply doesn't work that way, but it's a juicy bit of gossip so obviously we've all gone for it.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 5, 2024 21:17:04 GMT
I wonder who this is.... Can't say I'm surprised though. I'll be honest, that whole thread has the powerful whiff on bullsh*t to it. He's cagey about the whole thing and the story is inconsistent. It simply doesn't work that way, but it's a juicy bit of gossip so obviously we've all gone for it. It is very consistent with influencers though. That's the lower end of what very mid level influencers can get for a post. People who have had dealings with influencers can vouch for that. It has believability to it. Whether any production would pay that for a review is another matter. But would a self important influencer have the cheek to ask something like that? Definitely
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Post by Mr Snow on Feb 6, 2024 9:39:03 GMT
Just caught up with this. There's a reason why businesses give preferential or free treatment. It (more offer than not) works.I
I'm on holiday or I'd find the article to back the following up, but I'm betting its in one on Malcolm Gladwell's books.
The pharma industry have been giving out "free lunches" and stuff for decades. It's effectiveness is proven and thoroughly researched. The really interesting thing is that the Doctors who considered themselves the most ethical, were the ones who's prescribing of branded drugs most closely aligned to the companies who'd handed them stuff. Beware any person who says these tactics don't influence them, they are the fools. And the perfect target for PR.
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Post by happysooz2 on Feb 7, 2024 13:43:02 GMT
I'll be honest, that whole thread has the powerful whiff on bullsh*t to it. He's cagey about the whole thing and the story is inconsistent. It simply doesn't work that way, but it's a juicy bit of gossip so obviously we've all gone for it. It is very consistent with influencers though. That's the lower end of what very mid level influencers can get for a post. People who have had dealings with influencers can vouch for that. It has believability to it. Whether any production would pay that for a review is another matter. But would a self important influencer have the cheek to ask something like that? Definitely I read recently that an influencer called Father of Daughters was paid £15,000 by Highway Standards agency for a post. Amount confirmed via an FOI request after he was (ironically) filming using a handheld selfie stick, thus actually driving dangerously. I hope that £3000 for a good review is nonsense, but £3000 to create content is very believable. The problem (I think) is that most people don’t realise that their scrolling is monetised and don’t understand the economics of social media. This is a major problem.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 7, 2024 14:56:01 GMT
It is very consistent with influencers though. That's the lower end of what very mid level influencers can get for a post. People who have had dealings with influencers can vouch for that. It has believability to it. Whether any production would pay that for a review is another matter. But would a self important influencer have the cheek to ask something like that? Definitely I read recently that an influencer called Father of Daughters was paid £15,000 by Highway Standards agency for a post. Amount confirmed via an FOI request after he was (ironically) filming using a handheld selfie stick, thus actually driving dangerously. I hope that £3000 for a good review is nonsense, but £3000 to create content is very believable. The problem (I think) is that most people don’t realise that their scrolling is monetised and don’t understand the economics of social media. This is a major problem. Yes I agree, I think the biggest problem is they assume anything not marked as #ad or #gifted isn't paid for, but that's not the case. Asking for £3000 for a review is definitely plausible. The big question is whether the production paid out
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Post by criticalprole on Feb 10, 2024 13:52:03 GMT
Broadly, I think the Ben Fletcher post is very 'ooh scandal, those damned influencers, you can't trust them'. It just feels very 'Office Gossip' to me; without any actual evidence we all shrug and go 'yeah, that sounds likely' without actually , y'know, having a scooby about what's going on. Influencers can get paid silly amounts of money, though it's a lot less wild than it was a decade ago. Not declaring sponsors and interests Payola style kills careers, and £3K just isn't enough . It's a tough gig, I mean it's not working an oil rig, but it's not just £££ for chatting sh*t. So it could be an influencer chancing their arm, but it's most likely nonsense. Could be jealously and back-bitching, but that never happens in this industry PR is a thing. I do reviews. If a company sends me a big cake and then asks me to look at Product X, am I more likely to look at that Product X than I am to look at Product Y, who didn't send me cake? Yes, but not just because of the cake; said company has invested in the product and it's another way of saying they're making a big deal of it. If Product X is sh*t, I'll say it's sh*t. But Product Y might not even get a review. Because I only have so much time. But more people are interested in Product X, so X gets the time. (And hey, I set aside time every month to talk about indie Product Σ, which doesn't even have a PR budget. But it sucks for Y. ) Most of the time though, it's just the thing. It's not a Free Ice Lolly, it's an ice lolly I've paid for with time rather than cash.
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Post by WireHangers on Feb 16, 2024 22:04:53 GMT
I see that TheatreFan guy just shamelessly posted a “rumour” about the new Chicago tour that he obviously read here, like he’s somehow in the know, but then hides replies when people tell him whatever he’s posting is common knowledge. It’s the absolute lowest form of journalism.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 16, 2024 22:25:19 GMT
I see that TheatreFan guy just shamelessly posted a “rumour” about the new tour that he obviously read here, like he’s somehow in the know, but then hides replies when people tell him whatever he’s posting is common knowledge. It’s the absolute lowest form of journalism. He does that all the time
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Post by stevejohnson678 on Feb 16, 2024 22:29:31 GMT
I see that TheatreFan guy just shamelessly posted a “rumour” about the new Chicago tour that he obviously read here, like he’s somehow in the know, but then hides replies when people tell him whatever he’s posting is common knowledge. It’s the absolute lowest form of journalism. It's not even a rumour! I had the ATG members email announcing the performance dates and on-sale dates for Manchester this morning.
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Post by mickeyjotheatre on Feb 16, 2024 23:04:25 GMT
Humour me - if something gets alleged on here, does that not make it... a rumour?
More to the point, is it not possible that multiple people have heard the same thing?
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Post by WireHangers on Feb 16, 2024 23:22:18 GMT
Humour me - if something gets alleged on here, does that not make it... a rumour? More to the point, is it not possible that multiple people have heard the same thing? I’ll humour you - if people are getting emails about it then it’s not… a rumour. It’s entirely possible people have heard the same thing, so why hide the replies?
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Post by mickeyjotheatre on Feb 16, 2024 23:59:03 GMT
Of course it isn't - he basically never posts anything which isn't already confirmed, but calls it a rumour so as not to completely pierce the planned PR strategy for release by announcing it himself.
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Post by mickeyjotheatre on Feb 17, 2024 0:40:26 GMT
The reality is that among a lot of intense personalities, Shaun is perhaps the most kind-hearted in the blogging sphere.
He does more to uplift drama school graduates and off West End Theatre than just about anyone I know.
So many of the accusations levelled on this site are needlessly mean spirited.
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Post by WireHangers on Feb 17, 2024 0:59:34 GMT
Of course it isn't - he basically never posts anything which isn't already confirmed, but calls it a rumour so as not to completely pierce the planned PR strategy for release by announcing it himself. So clickbait? I’ll be honest, you don’t actually seem to have much of a valid point beyond defending your friend. Valiant, but pointless.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 17, 2024 6:14:17 GMT
The reality is that among a lot of intense personalities, Shaun is perhaps the most kind-hearted in the blogging sphere. He does more to uplift drama school graduates and off West End Theatre than just about anyone I know. So many of the accusations levelled on this site are needlessly mean spirited. There’s been no accusations levelled, and nothing has been said that is needlessly mean spirited. It’s perfectly reasonable for someone to express valid criticism of an online journalist. He’s a ‘journalist’ now?!!! He clearly gets most of his content from what we post here. Thoughts? Xxxx
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Post by showtoones on Feb 17, 2024 7:20:12 GMT
There’s been no accusations levelled, and nothing has been said that is needlessly mean spirited. It’s perfectly reasonable for someone to express valid criticism of an online journalist. Grow up. He’s a ‘journalist’ now?!!! He clearly gets most of his content from what we post here. Thoughts? Xxxx If anyone is in the know…it’s Mr. B…not sure why people come for him…he always has receipts…
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 17, 2024 7:33:46 GMT
He’s a ‘journalist’ now?!!! He clearly gets most of his content from what we post here. Thoughts? Xxxx If anyone is in the know…it’s Mr. B…not sure why people come for him…he always has receipts… I didn't think anyone was? The criticism was of the blogger? The thing with the theatrefan blog is all it ever seems to post is 'XYZ has been rumoured'. That's it, there's no context, credibility or vague source mentioned. Back when whatonstage had a rumour section there was at least some additional information that went with it, no matter how little. And of course another Internet blogger/vlogger who also has received criticism will back up theatrefan. At the end of the day the blog can do what they like, but it doesn't come across as a site of much authenticity or trust, which is quite important for building a loyal following in blogging.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 17, 2024 10:26:45 GMT
Some posts have been moved here from the Chicago thread. Before continuing the discussion please remember our rules about respectfulness towards other TheatreBoard members. Professional criticism of people in the industry is fine but there’s a line. Please don’t cross it.
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Post by manchestertheatrefan on Feb 17, 2024 10:36:38 GMT
I see that TheatreFan guy just shamelessly posted a “rumour” about the new tour that he obviously read here, like he’s somehow in the know, but then hides replies when people tell him whatever he’s posting is common knowledge. It’s the absolute lowest form of journalism. He does that all the time He has done it time and time again. To me it loses absolutely any credibility when he has posted something as a 'rumour' that the theatres have already announced the pre-sale date for, and then to hide people's responses that point this out.
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Post by showtoones on Feb 17, 2024 19:42:24 GMT
If anyone is in the know…it’s Mr. B…not sure why people come for him…he always has receipts… I didn't think anyone was? The criticism was of the blogger? The thing with the theatrefan blog is all it ever seems to post is 'XYZ has been rumoured'. That's it, there's no context, credibility or vague source mentioned. Back when whatonstage had a rumour section there was at least some additional information that went with it, no matter how little. And of course another Internet blogger/vlogger who also has received criticism will back up theatrefan. At the end of the day the blog can do what they like, but it doesn't come across as a site of much authenticity or trust, which is quite important for building a loyal following in blogging. I totally see your point…thanks for clarifying…and you are right…everyone here loves a scoop but rumors without backup are just that and are detrimental when people really have good information to share.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 17, 2024 21:10:09 GMT
He’s a ‘journalist’ now?!!! He clearly gets most of his content from what we post here. Thoughts? Xxxx If anyone is in the know…it’s Mr. B…not sure why people come for him…he always has receipts… I always liked you 🥰
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Feb 17, 2024 21:12:42 GMT
More often than not these days I’m seeing “Theatre Fan shared xyz…” being posted HERE rather than Theatre Fan taking things rumoured on here and posting to Twitter or wherever.
The guy seems to have an in with agents or graduates going up for auditions.
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