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Jul 4, 2019 21:15:31 GMT
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 4, 2019 21:15:31 GMT
It must be quite galling that John McEnroe earns between £190,000 and £194,999 for just two two weeks' part-time work on the BBC, but Clare Balding only earns a maximum of £179,999 for Wimbledon and all the other things she works on for Aunty.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 4, 2019 21:21:30 GMT
It must be quite galling that John McEnroe earns between £190,000 and £194,999 for just two two weeks' part-time work on the BBC, but Clare Balding only earns a maximum of £179,999 for Wimbledon and all the other things she works on for Aunty. Not really. I turn off when she starts speaking. He's much better, so worth more money. And this might be the place to whisper my annual 'I actually like John Inverdale' admission, even though I suspect I'm still alone on that one! (Andrew Castle's not worth me finding adjectives to describe, so I won't bother.) I love Sue. Hope she's not going anywhere.
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Post by justfran on Jul 4, 2019 21:29:35 GMT
Tibidabo totally agree with you on all 3 people!
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 4, 2019 21:31:47 GMT
When my friend (who would have thought it!) lends me her National Trust magazine, Sue is always advertising, in her waterproofs, the Holiday Property Bond, so she obviously goes 'somewhere' several times a year.
She's either very well behaved, or the other bondholders are very discreet. 🙂
And I don't mind JI either. He says the things that many of the others just think.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 4, 2019 21:33:42 GMT
Andrew Castle who are the worst for wittering His LBC radio show is almost unlistenable. He reminds us every few minutes that he had a sports career... I think that is his excuse, personally. His weekend Radio London show is just like listening to the Daily Mail being read aloud.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 4, 2019 21:42:27 GMT
Today John was off on one because he couldn’t believe Germans had Monopoly. And I don't mind JI either. He says the things that many of the others just think. Maybe that's it - you've all known me long enough to know how much I do love a good tangent! Also, he's got quite a sexy voice. (Did I just say that out loud?) I like the other John too, Lloyd. (Also, he had the best legs and bum in his day, along with Vitas Gerulaitis and Pat Cash.)
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Post by d'James on Jul 4, 2019 22:20:04 GMT
John Inverdale has never said anything I’ve thought. Especially the sexist stuff. The fact he still has a job makes me think he knows where the bodies are buried. I was vaguely aware of him until his abysmal Olympics coverage in 2012. The Monopoly stuff just proved his ignorance to me.
I also like John Lloyd, will check out some old pics ;-)
I think Annabel Croft has improved a lot and she would be a good choice. I think Dan Lobb (perfect name) would be good but did he ever go far enough??!! I’m only going by Brits by the way. If I opened it up I’d choose Kim Clijsters, Andy Roddick or someone who’s impressed me a lot this week - Chanda Rubin.
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Jul 4, 2019 22:36:45 GMT
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Post by vdcni on Jul 4, 2019 22:36:45 GMT
McEnroe was mildly amusing and different when the BBC first hired him but of all the ex players they use he's the one that follows the tour least and relies on a series of cliches and supposed straight talking to cover that up. He often makes basic errors when talking about people's careers but no one really bothers to correct him. Put him alongside someone who knows what they're talking about like Austin or Navratilova and he's embarrassing to listen to. The biggest waste of money in their entire salary bill.
Inverdale is mainly ok but just goes down weird tangents sometimes and is best kept away from women's matches.
Castle is actually unbearable and has got worse over the years.
The BBC could really do with shaking their team up a bit more, the ones that get the high profile mens matches are all a bit too cosy with each other, it's like being stuck with a load of pub bores. At one point McEnroe was a breath of fresh air and now he's a stale fart.
When Hewitt or Murray guested there was actual analysis happening and an complete understanding of the modern game. Realistically though as prize money has increased there's less incentive for the really top players to move into broadcasting after their career is over.
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Post by d'James on Jul 4, 2019 22:44:46 GMT
McEnroe was mildly amusing and different when the BBC first hired him but of all the ex players they use he's the one that follows the tour least and relies on a series of cliches and supposed straight talking to cover that up. He often makes basic errors when talking about people's careers but no one really bothers to correct him. Put him alongside someone who knows what they're talking about like Austin or Navratilova and he's embarrassing to listen to. The biggest waste of money in their entire salary bill. Inverdale is mainly ok but just goes down weird tangents sometimes and is best kept away from women's matches. Castle is actually unbearable and has got worse over the years. The BBC could really do with shaking their team up a bit more, the ones that get the high profile mens matches are all a bit too cosy with each other, it's like being stuck with a load of pub bores. At one point McEnroe was a breath of fresh air and now he's a stale fart. When Hewitt or Murray guested there was actual analysis happening and an complete understanding of the modern game. Realistically though as prize money has increased there's less incentive for the really top players to move into broadcasting after their career is over. Andy Roddick was fantastic too. I used to play a drinking game when I took a shot every time John McEnroe said ‘tentative.’ Luckily it was a shot of Robinson’s Barley Water otherwise I doubt I’d be here now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 1:25:32 GMT
Harry Carpenter fronted Wimbledon for many years along with Des Lynam but both were excellent sports presenters. Sue Barker has been part of the BBC's Wimbledon team since about 1993 and also does Question of Sport. She is 63 now but lots of sports presenters are older and any move to phase her out would no doubt be considered ageist.
I wonder if they might consider the Scottish girl who now fronts the BBC's limited golf coverage and the Ladies Football - Eilidh Barbour, she always comes across pretty well to me.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 5, 2019 6:28:56 GMT
Sue Barker does less these days but I thought she'd said in the past that was her choice.
The afternoon/evening split that she and Clare Balding do is I think the same split Sue and Des Lyman used to do.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 5, 2019 7:07:56 GMT
McEnroe was mildly amusing and different when the BBC first hired him but of all the ex players they use he's the one that follows the tour least and relies on a series of cliches and supposed straight talking to cover that up. He often makes basic errors when talking about people's careers but no one really bothers to correct him. Put him alongside someone who knows what they're talking about like Austin or Navratilova and he's embarrassing to listen to. The biggest waste of money in their entire salary bill. Inverdale is mainly ok but just goes down weird tangents sometimes and is best kept away from women's matches. Castle is actually unbearable and has got worse over the years. The BBC could really do with shaking their team up a bit more, the ones that get the high profile mens matches are all a bit too cosy with each other, it's like being stuck with a load of pub bores. At one point McEnroe was a breath of fresh air and now he's a stale fart. When Hewitt or Murray guested there was actual analysis happening and an complete understanding of the modern game. Realistically though as prize money has increased there's less incentive for the really top players to move into broadcasting after their career is over. Andy Roddick was fantastic too. I used to play a drinking game when I took a shot every time John McEnroe said ‘tentative.’ Luckily it was a shot of Robinson’s Barley Water otherwise I doubt I’d be here now. Agreed - I don't know if he has a regular gig with US TV or just pops up now and then but yes he's very good. Problem is the BBC group of former players is very 80's/early 90's heavy - McEnroe, Becker, Navratilova, Cash, Austin, Lloyd, Castle(if you can call him a player), Durie, Croft, Sam Smith. Now some of them are better and more knowledgeable than others, usually linked to whether they regularly commentate or just turn up for Wimbledon/the other slams but they are increasingly out of touch with the modern game. In the past the BBC has phased out older stars - the likes of Ann Jones & Virginia Wade have long gone even though they are still with us but the list of mid 90's onwards players is very short - Chanda Rubin (who's excellent), Davenport some years, Henman, Clijsters and well that's about it. But then the Becker/McEnroe level players of later decades don't seem as interested at hanging around the game as the older players do. It probably doesn't help that, since they understandably mostly hire people who have English as a first language, Britain & Australia weren't producing many top players over that period and even the US was having a bit of a lull outside a few big stars (Sampras, Agassi, the Williams) most of whom are unlikely to want to move into commentator roles.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 5, 2019 8:51:06 GMT
Tennis is good this year then? Come on Tim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 10:03:16 GMT
Pam Shriver used to do Wimbledon on BBC but I think she is ESPN now. Tracey Austin has been on it for years as she stopped playing when she was very young.
Ginny Wade did the analysis for years and so did Anne Jones but either stepped down or were phased out.
With the BBC covering all courts they must be using a lot more commentators and co-commentators unless they just go with one commentator.
The likes of McEnroe also double up on US TV.
Ironically one of the commentators is Oliver Reed's brother Simon who has done tennis commentary for years. The thought of Ollie at Wimbledon would have been interesting.
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Post by d'James on Jul 5, 2019 14:10:06 GMT
First day without Neanderthal Nick and it’s already a better tournament.
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Post by lynette on Jul 5, 2019 17:50:16 GMT
Put the telly on and watch Gauf, definition of tough.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 5, 2019 17:57:39 GMT
Surprised Andy is playing with Serena. Must be tough as the M in the mixed couple where the F has a bigger serve than you
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 5, 2019 18:15:49 GMT
Oh my Lord Webber! Goooooooo Gauff!
Glad I'm not her poor mother!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 19:51:44 GMT
I think I have a kindred spirit in the person that gets to tell the crowds to be quiet.
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Jul 5, 2019 21:41:41 GMT
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Post by poster J on Jul 5, 2019 21:41:41 GMT
Surprised Andy is playing with Serena. Must be tough as the M in the mixed couple where the F has a bigger serve than you I doubt he cares in the slightest - they are clearly both just doing it for a bit of fun! They are at the stage of their respective careers where they can basically do what they please, so the fact they are playing at all says a lot about how much both of them are simply enjoying playing. The Gauff match was excellent theatre - turned it on when she was on the brink of defeat and then was hooked until the end! I suspect Halep will beat her on Monday but she should get another outing on Centre Court at least for her efforts today. And she's playing mixed doubles tomorrow!
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Post by d'James on Jul 6, 2019 12:49:39 GMT
Watching the Darty Barty Party right now and I have to say Todd Woodbridge has been a revelation this year (to me).
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Post by ptwest on Jul 6, 2019 12:58:50 GMT
Its a bit of a dull party unfortunately.
But I now cant call this match anything else!
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Post by justfran on Jul 6, 2019 19:29:01 GMT
I agree that Todd Woodbridge has been really good on the commentary (lovely accent too). Really enjoyable day of tennis today with the Nadal match, Jo Konta and now watching Dan Evans fight it out under the number 1 court roof.
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Jul 6, 2019 19:36:35 GMT
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Post by peggysue on Jul 6, 2019 19:36:35 GMT
I am also watching Dan Evans at the moment who is playing very well. It would be great to see him win and face Nadal in the next round. Jo Konta played a great match and lovely to see a Brit through to the 2nd week in the ladies draw
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Jul 6, 2019 19:48:13 GMT
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Post by lynette on Jul 6, 2019 19:48:13 GMT
Despite the crummy commentary I’m enjoying this year’s Wimbles. Of course I have the time to get stuck in and follow the ‘stories’ but I think it is a bit more interesting this year. Maybe Gauf? One think: I’ve noticed they schedule Gauf and tonight Serena/Murray to fit the East Coast US telly schedules. Am I right? Or is it UK schedules too?
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Jul 6, 2019 20:16:33 GMT
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Post by vdcni on Jul 6, 2019 20:16:33 GMT
They do take requests from foreign broadcasters into account though the BBC usually want Murray on late as well.
In the mixed doubles case tonight it had to be late as Andy and Serena had already played a match today.
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Post by poster J on Jul 6, 2019 21:44:31 GMT
Despite the crummy commentary I’m enjoying this year’s Wimbles. Of course I have the time to get stuck in and follow the ‘stories’ but I think it is a bit more interesting this year. Maybe Gauf? One think: I’ve noticed they schedule Gauf and tonight Serena/Murray to fit the East Coast US telly schedules. Am I right? Or is it UK schedules too? Gauff probably yes, but Murray and Williams scheduling was to take account of their other matches - the same thing was done for Barty as she also played doubles this evening after being first up on Centre for her singles. There were also a couple of people on outside courts who played one match first then came back onto the same court later in the day for a doubles match (or second doubles match), with one match scheduled in between to allow the players to rest.
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Jul 6, 2019 21:45:56 GMT
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Post by justfran on Jul 6, 2019 21:45:56 GMT
I am also watching Dan Evans at the moment who is playing very well. It would be great to see him win and face Nadal in the next round. Jo Konta played a great match and lovely to see a Brit through to the 2nd week in the ladies draw Such a shame for Dan to lose, what an epic 5 set match! He must have been so disappointed, I’ve never seen a player leave the court so quickly! Hopefully he can take away the positives and keep going with his climb up the rankings. It was interesting to hear during the commentary that he’d been invited by Roger Federer to train with him.
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Post by d'James on Jul 8, 2019 11:51:06 GMT
The Barty Party’s over.
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Post by d'James on Jul 8, 2019 14:48:54 GMT
Coco; Oh No!
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