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Post by Backdrifter on Jul 19, 2019 6:02:40 GMT
The indignities being heaped upon cider here are just upsetting. I'd say the indignities being heaped on the apples that go into it are worse... Indignifying them into cider is the best possible use of apples.
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Post by Xanderl on Jul 19, 2019 17:47:30 GMT
OK here's a new one ... audience member leaves passive aggressive note for the cast on stage during the interval.
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Post by peggs on Jul 19, 2019 19:59:36 GMT
So the actor was supposed to come on second half, stop, read it, stop smoking? That's a new way of giving feedback, if I'd only realised there were a couple of things I've seen I'd have immediately have fed back on.
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Post by Xanderl on Jul 19, 2019 20:03:47 GMT
Yes! Apparently they checked with the FOH staff afterwards and nobody had mentioned the smoking to the theatre, just via the note.
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Post by peggs on Jul 19, 2019 20:05:58 GMT
Do you tho k anyone would notice a note on the giant Olivier stage though? And what if you're not sat in stalls and they won't let you in? I fear this method may not be fool proof.
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Post by marob on Jul 19, 2019 20:44:38 GMT
Do you tho k anyone would notice a note on the giant Olivier stage though? And what if you're not sat in stalls and they won't let you in? I fear this method may not be fool proof. Well now I've got a mental image of someone throwing paper aeroplanes from the circle.
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Post by xanady on Jul 20, 2019 7:09:01 GMT
^Leaving items on the stage?Seen beer bottles,ice cream tubs,wine glasses etc plonked on the stage in various theatres and then invariably some weary usher explaining to some ignorant simpleton about why it is not allowed.As for the note.... tannoy announce at start of Act 2...to the person who left the note on the stage...if you don’t like how the play has been staged...the exit door is in the far right corner...now do one! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 8:42:37 GMT
Do you tho k anyone would notice a note on the giant Olivier stage though? And what if you're not sat in stalls and they won't let you in? I fear this method may not be fool proof. Well now I've got a mental image of someone throwing paper aeroplanes from the circle. Wonderful mental image of someone in the Circle of Theatre Royal Drury Lane throwing Charlie Bucket's paper aeroplane back at him now.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 20, 2019 8:43:37 GMT
OK here's a new one ... audience member leaves passive aggressive note for the cast on stage during the interval. I saw the show last week. There was indeed a lot of smoking going on, I didn’t hear anyone coughing their guts up though. Obviously the work of a drama queen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 12:43:37 GMT
Right up until a decade or so ago, it was a real shame to be hauled in front of a magistrate for "drunk and disorderly." These days, nobody does anything about it at all. Add that theatres (and retailers) find booze the easiest thing to sell, and that's the problem. May be time to set public intoxication limits just like driving a car. Allow breath-tests and allow the right to refuse admission. Let trained security staff deal with it before anyone gets near a plane / theatre seat and those staff. I agree that if people appear or are drunk when entering a theatre or trying to board a plane they should be refused entry. A lot of nightclubs and pubs with door staff clearly let people who are drunk in too. If there is one person in a group who got refused entry for being drunk then it might make them feel guilty or the others to think maybe they should take better care of their friends. Some people can drink hell of a lot more than others and be perfectly fine, it is knowing your own limits.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 20, 2019 12:48:18 GMT
Last night's Le Nozze di Figaro at the ROH was pretty much ruined for me by the inconsiderate person in the row behind whose phone went off twice, who made a number of remarks at normal speaking volume, & who coughed right through Dove sono before finally, mercifully, leaving. The worst behaviour I've ever encountered at the ROH.
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Post by xanady on Jul 20, 2019 13:20:36 GMT
A friend of mine saw Waitress last week and said that a woman in her 20’s next to her,spent the second act noisily disassembling a plastic glass,piece by piece until there were apparently shards of broken plastic all over the floor by the time she left after the show.Does this count as recycling or does this person just need professional help...fast? Wondered if it might be the Ashley Roberts effect?
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Post by alece10 on Jul 20, 2019 14:49:55 GMT
A friend of mine saw Waitress last week and said that a woman in her 20’s next to her,spent the second act noisily disassembling a plastic glass,piece by piece until there were apparently shards of broken plastic all over the floor by the time she left after the show.Does this count as recycling or does this person just need professional help...fast? Wondered if it might be the Ashley Roberts effect? I'd have slapped it right out of hand.
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Post by marob on Jul 20, 2019 20:46:09 GMT
At the matinee of The Book of Mormon in Manchester two young women appeared right at the end of the interval asking if the two aisle seats next to me were occupied. They weren't, so I moved my coat and the person on the row behind did the same so they could sit down.
Then one of them read out the seat numbers and she suddenly realised they had actually sat in the wrong place in the first act and these WERE their seats after all. 🤔 She then rushed off to the side stalls to tell two other friends, who they were coincidentally sitting next to, that they had moved.
I don't care that they moved to a better seat, it's the blatantly rubbish lie that annoyed me.
Not really bad behaviour, or even in the theatre, but as I was leaving there were some real mormons on the street outside. I knew they advertised in the programme, I didn't know they actually show up in-person. A slightly pushy American lady was insistent that I take a card off her. I didn't, but I'm kinda curious what it said now.
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Post by showgirl on Jul 20, 2019 21:13:48 GMT
At the Almeida this afternoon a middle-aged man in the aisle seat in front of mine quite brazenly started filming a scene towards the end of the 2nd act. An usher spotted this and hastened over to stop him but I wouldn't have expected this sort of behaviour there.
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Post by 49thand8th on Jul 22, 2019 2:16:22 GMT
Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:21:05 GMT
Following on from the news that Ushers will be wearing bodycams to protect themselves from the egregious behaviour of the general public, The Stage have spoken to Ushers past and present to gather some accounts of specific events. So. They include... You ready for this? The Ferryman usher“A woman arrived late for The Ferryman, at the Gielgud, and was shown to the latecomers monitor and told that the entry point is approx 12 minutes in. ‘Do you know who I am?! Sam Mendes is a friend of mine, he’d be horrified to know that you’re making me wait,’... She walked away, but then suddenly turned and shouted: ‘I will have you fired. You’re history.’” The Lion King usher"You have to stand outside the Lyceum and filter people in: it’s one at a time, and quite often it tends to be a boyfriend getting protective about a girlfriend and saying: ‘No, she’s coming in with me.’ And that’s when they get aggressive, and push you out the way, or in my case, pushed up against a wall... I was once standing selling ice creams and a mum came up with her daughter and said: ‘Look darling, this is what happens if you don’t do well at school.’ " The Wicked usher
“A show got cancelled one day due to a fault with the automation on the set. As you can imagine, we had angry patrons everywhere but one particular patron decided to tell a colleague of mine: ‘I hope you die of a brain tumour'.... Two patrons got into an argument because Woman A kept on getting up to leave the row. Woman B kindly asked her to stop getting up as it was distracting her from the show and that next time she got up to leave she would not let her back in. Woman A ignored this and left anyway. Woman A then went and pooed into a tissue and came back and smeared it all over Woman B’s face." Im struggling for words to describe my despair with society. Full article: www.thestage.co.uk/news/2019/from-verbal-and-physical-abuse-to-poogate-ushers-reveal-their-worst-experiences-working-front-of-house/
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Post by missthelma on Jul 23, 2019 15:04:00 GMT
I know it's terribly terribly wrong of me but that Wicked story has given me the best laugh out loud moment for a long time!
There are so many ways that should have wound up differently but people's arrogance (on both sides here)makes for a revolting unpleasant end which helps nobody.
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Post by justafan on Jul 23, 2019 15:59:16 GMT
Following on from the news that Ushers will be wearing bodycams to protect themselves from the egregious behaviour of the general public, The Stage have spoken to Ushers past and present to gather some accounts of specific events. So. They include... You ready for this? The Ferryman usher“A woman arrived late for The Ferryman, at the Gielgud, and was shown to the latecomers monitor and told that the entry point is approx 12 minutes in. ‘Do you know who I am?! Sam Mendes is a friend of mine, he’d be horrified to know that you’re making me wait,’... She walked away, but then suddenly turned and shouted: ‘I will have you fired. You’re history.’” The Lion King usher"You have to stand outside the Lyceum and filter people in: it’s one at a time, and quite often it tends to be a boyfriend getting protective about a girlfriend and saying: ‘No, she’s coming in with me.’ And that’s when they get aggressive, and push you out the way, or in my case, pushed up against a wall... I was once standing selling ice creams and a mum came up with her daughter and said: ‘Look darling, this is what happens if you don’t do well at school.’ " The Wicked usher
“A show got cancelled one day due to a fault with the automation on the set. As you can imagine, we had angry patrons everywhere but one particular patron decided to tell a colleague of mine: ‘I hope you die of a brain tumour'.... Two patrons got into an argument because Woman A kept on getting up to leave the row. Woman B kindly asked her to stop getting up as it was distracting her from the show and that next time she got up to leave she would not let her back in. Woman A ignored this and left anyway. Woman A then went and pooed into a tissue and came back and smeared it all over Woman B’s face." Im struggling for words to describe my despair with society. Full article: www.thestage.co.uk/news/2019/from-verbal-and-physical-abuse-to-poogate-ushers-reveal-their-worst-experiences-working-front-of-house/Speechless ... great comeback from the Usher at The Ferryman though - but the stories are quite incredible - what is the matter with people?
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Post by daisy24601 on Jul 25, 2019 8:54:45 GMT
I've heard that Wicked one before from someone who works there, affectionately referred to as "poo gate"! They had to call the police, wonder if anything came of it.
That brain tumour one is horrific, imagine saying that to someone who is at no fault for what's happening.
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Post by cirque on Jul 25, 2019 11:27:57 GMT
Alarming to read of all the behavior problems...today's Stage is a catalogue of misery and concern.I wonder,seriously,if all our attempts to create open access has seriously confused people.
Marketing frequently encourages us to be part of the action....be immersed.....its a party for us all to join in.....theatre wants us to create totally informal atmosphere......At Hamilton recently-the selfie capital of West End theatre throughout whole show.....RSC want photos then they dont.......At Globe its all a riot.....thats why the tragedies often suffer.....Emma Rice wanted babes in arms to add to the festivities.....
Relaxed performances-enable wandering around,talking,lights up considerably,come and go as you like.....
Then....suddenly its all change-next night....darkness,no photos,no tweets,no phones...behave.
The whole series of mixed messsages may well be causing behaviour confusion.....take your drinks in.....we are all cool here..... until you step out of line.
I have no solution to suggest....but think we are sending totally confusing messages out there.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jul 25, 2019 12:28:20 GMT
Alarming to read of all the behavior problems...today's Stage is a catalogue of misery and concern.I wonder,seriously,if all our attempts to create open access has seriously confused people. Marketing frequently encourages us to be part of the action....be immersed.....its a party for us all to join in.....theatre wants us to create totally informal atmosphere......At Hamilton recently-the selfie capital of West End theatre throughout whole show.....RSC want photos then they dont.......At Globe its all a riot.....thats why the tragedies often suffer.....Emma Rice wanted babes in arms to add to the festivities..... Relaxed performances-enable wandering around,talking,lights up considerably,come and go as you like..... Then....suddenly its all change-next night....darkness,no photos,no tweets,no phones...behave. The whole series of mixed messsages may well be causing behaviour confusion.....take your drinks in.....we are all cool here..... until you step out of line. I have no solution to suggest....but think we are sending totally confusing messages out there. The problem is not confused messages, the problem is people who think that they can behave the same wherever they are. You go to a family show and it's going to be different than a more adult one, a circus is different than a ballet. It doesn't take much to realise and understand that you change your behaviour according to circumstance. Any adult who can't cope with this is not trying and/or doesn't care and should be upbraided for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 12:58:49 GMT
Young woman sitting next to me at "Present Laughter" yesterday, crossing and uncrossing her legs throughout. Think she must be the off-spring of Cupid Stunt. Should have asked her if the ferry was going up there.
Thumbs up for bringing Cupid into the discussion.
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Post by 49thand8th on Jul 25, 2019 14:02:25 GMT
I have no solution to suggest....but think we are sending totally confusing messages out there. The message is the same in all. It's "read the room." A lot of people can't figure that out, apparently.
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Post by xanady on Jul 25, 2019 15:35:51 GMT
^It’s all done in the best posssibble taste...the magic genius of Kenny Everett!
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jul 25, 2019 18:40:00 GMT
Alarming to read of all the behavior problems...today's Stage is a catalogue of misery and concern.I wonder,seriously,if all our attempts to create open access has seriously confused people. Marketing frequently encourages us to be part of the action....be immersed.....its a party for us all to join in.....theatre wants us to create totally informal atmosphere......At Hamilton recently-the selfie capital of West End theatre throughout whole show.....RSC want photos then they dont.......At Globe its all a riot.....thats why the tragedies often suffer.....Emma Rice wanted babes in arms to add to the festivities..... Relaxed performances-enable wandering around,talking,lights up considerably,come and go as you like..... Then....suddenly its all change-next night....darkness,no photos,no tweets,no phones...behave. The whole series of mixed messsages may well be causing behaviour confusion.....take your drinks in.....we are all cool here..... until you step out of line. I have no solution to suggest....but think we are sending totally confusing messages out there. The problem is not confused messages, the problem is people who think that they can behave the same wherever they are. You go to a family show and it's going to be different than a more adult one, a circus is different than a ballet. It doesn't take much to realise and understand that you change your behaviour according to circumstance. Any adult who can't cope with this is not trying and/or doesn't care and should be upbraided for it. Perhaps they get too much self-esteem pumped into them at school, so that they think that whatever they do is fine.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jul 25, 2019 19:01:37 GMT
The problem is not confused messages, the problem is people who think that they can behave the same wherever they are. You go to a family show and it's going to be different than a more adult one, a circus is different than a ballet. It doesn't take much to realise and understand that you change your behaviour according to circumstance. Any adult who can't cope with this is not trying and/or doesn't care and should be upbraided for it. Perhaps they get too much self-esteem pumped into them at school, so that they think that whatever they do is fine. By far the biggest factor is parenting, schools battle it as anyone (probably moreso). Without consistently applied boundaries at home promoting social norms everyone else suffers.
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Post by danb on Jul 25, 2019 20:40:08 GMT
Perhaps they get too much self-esteem pumped into them at school, so that they think that whatever they do is fine. By far the biggest factor is parenting, schools battle it as anyone (probably moreso). Without consistently applied boundaries at home promoting social norms everyone else suffers. Couldn’t agree more. Actually parent your children, give them boundaries, give them your trust, let them make mistakes, don’t judge them, laugh with them, (laugh at their clothes😂). Take them to places they haven’t been. But most of all...you are not their mate. Drives me round the bend...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 7:30:56 GMT
Perhaps they get too much self-esteem pumped into them at school, so that they think that whatever they do is fine. By far the biggest factor is parenting, schools battle it as anyone (probably moreso). Without consistently applied boundaries at home promoting social norms everyone else suffers. I actually think its both in equal measures and some. In additional to a systemic deterioration of attitude to parenting, schools have completely lost their focus in the last two decades. They don't educate children, schools condition their subjects to pass exams. Children aren't taught how to think, they're taught how to recite. It's a numbers game where the focus of the education system is a good rating in a national report, meaning more children the following year, not an inspired generation of leading thinkers, creative performers or ingenious analysts. People now leave school with a developed expectation for everything to be given to them on a plate as a result of a failed education system where the focus is the schools result in a chart instead of a well rounded, competent thinkers. The last few generations have been pumped out the system as robots - right or wrong, yes or no, on or off, 1 or 0. This is then exacerbated by a constant barrage of extreme media where right or wrong has become so extreme that the middle ground is no longer visible. For the last 30 years our televisions have told us war is normal, so we believe conflict is ok. Whilst highly entertaining for some people, for less objective, vulnerable people programmes like The Jeremy Kyle Show teach us that the only way to deal with a situation is to become volatile and response with argument and violence. As a result these innocent people are booted out into reality, expected to to fend for themselves, expecting all the answers on a sheet, the notes printed out for them with no ability to interact in complex (to them) social situations. This then induces a resentment on society and in turn the deterioration of behaviour. Ultimately, we could all sit here and blame the parents or whichever Minister for Education we dislike the most, but perhaps its our fault, as a society, for allowing this to happen in the first place. For sitting back and thinking there's a scapegoat somewhere to be had, it's their fault not ours.
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Post by Xanderl on Jul 26, 2019 7:53:08 GMT
Ultimately, we could all sit here and blame the parents or whichever Minister for Education we dislike the most, but perhaps its our fault, as a society, for allowing this to happen in the first place. For sitting back and thinking there's a scapegoat somewhere to be had, it's their fault not ours. Given the age of some of the worst offenders of bad theatre behaviour, I blame Viscount Hailsham.
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