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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 7:31:24 GMT
Hmmmm...saw this this afternoon and thought it was ok. My problem was I already knew the 'twist' thanks to an American review I read earlier this year so I don't know how if it would've impacted me more not knowing what was coming. I was still quite shaken by what happened and how it was done, but I don't know, in the end I think this is more an American problem. The acting was great and the writing was clever, but it just all felt a bit gimmicky. I don’t think it is more an American problem. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 12, 2019 7:29:33 GMT
If the Conservatives win this election then Labour has no one to blame but itself! This should have been a landslide for them! People can argue that the Conservatives have moved too far to the right, but Labour has moved too far to the left also, which is unpalatable to a lot of people, especially by allowing someone as inept as Corbyn to be their leader. The majority of this country are centralists in their politics (and there’s nothing wrong with that), but have no one to represent them so it’s a case of having to choose the least offensive of 2 awful candidates in Johnson and Corbyn. I’ve never been more depressed by the state of this country 😩 I’m unenthusiastically voting for the Lib Dems 😆😐 Ah sparky, you are so right... I’ve voted Tory this time, with some misgivings but hoping once Brexit is out of the way (well, the first stage at least) we see a return to the one nation Conservatism we’ve been promised. Good luck with that..... |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 11, 2019 20:59:06 GMT
Current tactical voting has Con to Lab switchers at statistically negligible amounts, it isn’t happening (for obvious reasons). Labour voters are switching to Brexit, Conservative or Lib Dems depending where they are, Conservatives are switching to Lib Dems and Brexit, Lib Dem and Green voters are switching to Labour. Much of the movement in polls has been because of this wholesale tactical switching (a side effect of the ridiculous electoral system). If you know that Labour are not favoured in your seat, then a Labour vote is allowing a Conservative to win (if you are a Conservative disgruntled with Johnson, then a Labour wasted vote would be a good one for you, though). Check here tactical.vote/compareMy constituency suggests to vote Labour, so despite them being my third choice party (I voted Lib Dem and Green in the other two elections this year), then Labour it has to be, even if I’m not particularly aligned. Thanks! I've tried to be as well informed as I can but being well informed of the right information is so hard in this election! I just want the Tories out ASAP, and every tactical voting site I've been too said I should vote Lib Dem so despite being Labour all my life, that's what I'll do tomorrow. Swapmyvote.uk makes me feel better about the tactical vote. Suggested it to Jamie Parker yesterday on twitter (who was having similar issues) and he replied to say he’d done it! That’s it Pinnacle reached! |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 11, 2019 20:55:38 GMT
Went to the matinee. Don’t read anything about it. Loved it. Mad as a bunch of 🐸
Steve has summed it up brilliantly (as usual) above...but no spoilers until you’ve seen it!!!
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 11, 2019 18:29:28 GMT
If the Conservatives win this election then Labour has no one to blame but itself! This should have been a landslide for them! People can argue that the Conservatives have moved too far to the right, but Labour has moved too far to the left also, which is unpalatable to a lot of people, especially by allowing someone as inept as Corbyn to be their leader. The majority of this country are centralists in their politics (and there’s nothing wrong with that), but have no one to represent them so it’s a case of having to choose the least offensive of 2 awful candidates in Johnson and Corbyn. I’ve never been more depressed by the state of this country 😩 I’m unenthusiastically voting for the Lib Dems 😆😐 I disagree. In any other European country the Labour manifesto would not be considered radical. In contrast I believe the current amount of state support (or lack of it) is radical. I think only the US smaller? Labour has to move to a different model as the current one just won’t work. Have you seen the interview where Gordon Brown said that he thinks Corbyn has the right idea and that he would have brought in a similar programme if he could have, but that then the British public would not believe it possible. He says thinking on the continent (and in some parts here - see Financial Times) has now moved on and some countries now trying it. Ordinary will not solve our problems...we will just decline, as we are doing, in a gradual depressing way, until we have no services and it is normal to have extreme hardship. Your library will close, your bus will go, your queue on the phone for that doctors appointment will get longer. Oh, hold on....that’s already happening. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 10, 2019 23:33:38 GMT
Yes, absolutely the last thing we need right now is voters getting distracted by the fact a potential PM is also a potential security hazard! ;-) Do you mean Boris Johnson? Who takes Russian money and slipped his minders to party at that house with the Russian? And who refused to publish the report into Russia? And has Cummings as an advisor who has hid splippery hands all over the Vote Leave stuff? And stirs up hate of the Far Right with his comments about immigration? Get a grip. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 10, 2019 21:35:28 GMT
Try not to get distracted. it’s all incredibly simple really. Do we want to be a country of “I” and “me” or “us” and “we”. Do we want our society to care for the hopeless and vulnerable or just leave them to die if they are feckless and lazy? Do we want to be kind?
And don’t give me that “we can’t afford it” bu*****t. I just don’t believe you. Not if the alternative is putting up HUGE trade obstacles with our nearest trading partner that will decimate our industries and risk peace in Northern Island.
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 9, 2019 20:29:20 GMT
BBC story is dead cat, thrown out there to distract from Johnson stealing journalist’s phone during an interview...like the bully he is.
They then followed up with another dead cat where Tories fed Laura Kuenssberg a false story that she tweeted out....all lies but claimed a Labour “activist” punched Hancock’s aide.....there was a video of it. Made Kuenssberg and Peston for that matter look like the gullible fools they are....
Look at pictures of the Bristol Corbyn rally (thousands). Look at the number of canvassers who turned up at Putney tonight (hundreds)
It’s a mystery....
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 9, 2019 12:25:06 GMT
My daughter lives in Uxbridge constituency and her and husband have each so far put in more than 50 hours knocking on doors (and both work full time). Even if Labour do not win this election it has created a network of young highly motivated activists for a different way to do politics. Both my young adults have never done any campaigning in the past. This is what gives me hope. One problem from the Blair years is that they carpet bombed the left, which has left a gaping generational hole. Even at constitiuency level it was hard to get left candidates on the ballot. Corbyn himslef couldn't get - was it 15 members of Parliament - to sign his papers requesting to be included in the Leadership ballot.
What I found remarkable after Corbyn's election, and in the subsequent two campaigns, is the huge investment Momentum has put into training activists, and in every conceivable skill - from the traditional door knocking and board running, to pop up's of all types to chairing meetings and committee's.
From there they turn out on the streets and when before there would be 6 or 8 local die-hards, there are now huge numbers targetting specific areas in key seats.
The people running my constituency party now are all under 35 and they are all professional in their approach. The pace of transition has been somewhat extraordinary - you're also left wondering where on earth they all came from ..
Maybe at this election but certainly the next we will see the best coming through into Parliament to fill the void created by Blair.
Yes, couldn’t agree more. I was her age under Blair but never considered joining a political party, let alone being active. I think social media make it easier. It was very apparent during the 2017 election that the coverage of main stream media was poor (they showed hardly any of the huge outdoor rallies where people were spontaneously flocking to see Jeremy Corbyn) and the young now do not watch BBC news or read newspapers....they have developed their own media. Crowdfunding makes legal challenges possible, people like The Secret Barrister inform (so much so that Boris Johnson stole his analysis by copy and paste) and there is a whole different slant to the news. Even if Labour lose this election we will win the arguments in the long term as Labour have the brightest and the best supporting them You only have to look at the shambles of Government (a NI secretary who didn’t realise people voted down sectarian lines? A Brexit secretary who hadn’t read the Good Friday Agreement? Or realised how much of trade was done through Dover? ) |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 9, 2019 11:05:52 GMT
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 9, 2019 11:04:37 GMT
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 9, 2019 11:03:03 GMT
My daughter lives in Uxbridge constituency and her and husband have each so far put in more than 50 hours knocking on doors (and both work full time). Even if Labour do not win this election it has created a network of young highly motivated activists for a different way to do politics. Both my young adults have never done any campaigning in the past. This is what gives me hope.
And it would be quite something to be rid of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and some of those other idiots.
I hate the idea of voting Lib Dem but this time I have to. Check your info as close as possible to the date and do what has to be done.
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 8, 2019 17:58:23 GMT
Agree londonpostie remainers and those who want to protect public services need to be savvy and vote tactically in the 60 or so marginal seats, the multitude of tactical voting sites are beginning to fall in line with each other but as always check a few before deciding and there was a good summary in the Guardian today. Likelihood is we heading for a hung Parliament and therefore if worried about some of the Labour policies or Corbyn himself there will be balances in place from the coalitions which form. Guardian was a bit rubbish on tactical recommendations in places. There will be an updated YouGov poll (big one 100,000 people was the last one) on 10th Dec. It does it by constituency....google YouGov election 2019.... suspect that is the best place to go and look when it comes down to making last minute judgements. I am in safe Conservative seat but even Henley has found it hard to stomach the current bunch, so will hold my nose and vote Lib Dem, as they stand a tiny chance. I have gone to “swap my vote” and arranged a swap with a Lib Dem Voter who will hold his nose and vote Labour in his area (it works on good old fashioned honesty) That way I feel a tiny bit better about voting for a party that I do not support. Yes, don’t think there is any chance of Labour Majority Gov but I like their plans for Brexit better than the weird Conservatives ones....could live with a choice of Soft Brexit vs Remain. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 8, 2019 16:55:20 GMT
You know, I loved Chris’s rumba. He a great actor isn’t he. I was quite surprised how good it was. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 4, 2019 16:34:51 GMT
Sorry....I’m not quite into comedy mode yet.....  |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 4, 2019 16:33:28 GMT
The Election campaign and all the ramifications of when or will we have one seem to have been going on for weeks, thankfully only a week just over until we hopefully get some stability. The Bookies are still favouring a Tory majority of 30 to 40 ( 30 in numbers but nearer 40 in practice if the Irish Republican MPs don't take their seats). Wonder which former MPs we might see in the Jungle next year, Jo Swinson was complaining about not getting on the ITV debate, but we could see her eating Emu penis next year if SNP win her seat again. You are kidding aren’t you? I mean even if Brexit gets “done” by the end of January we have to negotiate a deal with the EU by the middle of the summer (I mean count the weeks they have to do this!)....or it’s cliff edge again at the end of 2020....and if that happens more negotiations after we crash out....and US....and.... Plus I’m not sure all those people freezing on the streets or kids going hungry....are going to be happy with “stability” The way I see it the only good outcome to “get Brexit sorted” is Labour going back, negotiating a soft Brexit (shouldnt be too hard as can copy Norway-style agreement) and putting it back to the people vs remain. Business would like it (at least more than The Conservative offer). Has to be less risky than the half baked plans of the Tories. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 4, 2019 8:41:46 GMT
Did you watch it? What do you think is untrue? I wasn't gainsaying the particular video and housing and the baby boomers have been raised by me a number of times here, it should be a massive election issue. Look deeper and you find more troubling views, however. Sarkar is good and a good communicator, Bastani is most definitely not (by the by, both are self described communists). writing dangerous, unsustainable theories that get mixed that with truthful stuff so nobody knows what is right or not. It's the detruthing of journalism. Hmmm. So that video is Ok? I think the BBC has been doing a fine job of both “detruthing journalism” and not bothering to educate us on important matters. Fact check helps but is often given lower prominence than the original piece. An example? Marr and Johnson when Johnson claimed his Queens Speech was blocked by parliament...and Marr said nothing. The whole shebang is complete when no-one believes anything any more and switches off. |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 2, 2019 21:22:11 GMT
Novara Media is the Fox News of the left. Anyway, seeing as principles are, apparently, ore important than power, I presume that I’m okay to vote for who I want to rather than voting tactically. Younger people used to wonder how the Conservatives were in power for eighteen years between 1979 and 1997. This is how. Did you watch it? What do you think is untrue? |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 2, 2019 19:43:37 GMT
Why labour? This is the sort of thing that the “young” now watch and that the mainstream media no longer produce. Evidence based. Watch this (excuse the bad language if you don’t like that sort of thing) and then tell me you don’t understand why it has to change A LOT. The middle ground is not going to sort this. novaramedia.com/2019/12/02/housing-is-fked/ |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 2, 2019 15:50:06 GMT
Electing the ‘wrong’ brother was all about the unions wasn’t it? They still provide the bulk of the dosh to Labour. What makes you think, guys above, that the unions will not continue to have that influence? And as I think they will, how will Labour get of its current position, if it wants to and I see no sign of that. Article below admittedly not exactly up to date as 2018....but most current membership from Wiki in 2019 485,000 Labour - 53% full, 27% union affiliated, 20% registered supporters. 191,000 Conservatives 120,845 Lib Dems www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britainAnd I think a good deal of the Conservative money may have Russian fingerprints on it? Russia report anyone? |
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 2, 2019 11:04:21 GMT
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 2, 2019 10:05:26 GMT
People don’t really dislike Labour policies (on the whole). They worry it will bankrupt the county and suggest you are naive and the only way to help the poor is to have jobs and industry. They are not wrong, but if you read the labour manifesto it is about investing in Industry as well and many of their policies are already things industry is thinking about. The Conservatives have been sneaky in the recent past - they talk about cutting back and balancing the books as we all understand that concept from our household budgeting. But.......
How many people in this country understand Quantitive Easing (spoiler alert, I’m one of those who knows what it is)? The Conservative party just printed extra 💴....and I mean lots of it. Yes, we can print however much money we like extra. What did they do with it? Hmmmm......they wanted to increase investment to create jobs.....so they bought company bonds....lots of them. Even I get a bit lost at this point ( and I have a maths degree) but do you think the money the Government gave companies increased investment or increased profits and shareholder returns? Feel free to explain further if you can!
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Post by Latecomer on Dec 1, 2019 12:32:07 GMT
Got my first christmas card on friday, think that was a first, cards in November. Oh, you know my mother-in-law as well do you peggs ?  It didn't have one of those newslettery things in did it? You know the ones? All about everyone's dahling offsprings' achievements over the past year. I stopped reading them several years ago when one of these missives contained a blow by blow account of - and I quote - 'Bob's anal fissure.'  When the couple who always sent us a “we have done all these wonderful things” newsletter split up I was like “oh that’s sad but I TOLD you the whole of their life wasn’t as perfect as those pictures! At least now we won’t get the annoying newsletter”....I spoke too soon, we now get separate newsletters from them, as if vying for who has the most perfect year....!!!! Now off to find a Christmas card for Peggs!  |
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 30, 2019 22:15:06 GMT
You don’t have to be in power to change politics - I think Corbyn is winning the arguments and that may lead to a change of direction in the long term. I mean, it obviously helps if you are in power but the alternative is to change public opinion. After all I give you Nigel Farage. A politician who has never been an MP but has changed the course of the whole country. He didn’t have to be in power to do that. |
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 30, 2019 21:01:07 GMT
And gave us Tory-lite Tony Blair. And that, in a nutshell, is why Labour is failing. Blair did far more for the poorest and disadvantaged than any PM since Wilson. He did that by being Prime Minister rather than as leader of the opposition. He kept that going for three elections (despite going mad over foreign policy.....if only 9/11 hadn't happened under his watch). Callaghan, Foot, Kinnock, Smith (sadly), Brown, Miliband, Corbyn (so far, once) all failed in their main task. None of them ever got elected because they didn't adapt to the electorate they were needing to convince. My point was that Blair, while putting on a sticking plaster, only ended up making the economy etc etc worse. So the housing market overheated, capitalism ran unchecked and the rich got richer (without it trickling down). He gave lots of tax credits that I am sure brought children out of poverty but did he make our economy and society fit for the people following on? He didn’t exactly tackle the city did he? Or housing? Or sustainable reform of the NHS? I know a lot of it was good but at the end of the day he had a chance to change things (workers on boards, transaction taxes, not hiding wealth in offshore accounts, talk about community partnerships, sustainable living, looking at industrial problems of the North, better transport links..... As for compromise I give you Nick Clegg. I actually think Corbyn has been more successful than all the labour leaders I have known as he is moving how young people feel about society. I may be wrong but the young people I know are far more politically involved and actually follow up their beliefs more than our generation. My daughter is vegan as she believes it will help save the world (I mean, it might not but you have to admire her commitment and she’s not alone) The Conservatives have also been criminally stupid. Bedroom tax anyone (with no smaller properties to go to). Universal credit (with a computer and/or a smart phone needed on a nearly daily basis when lots of poor people do not have these). Paying Universal credit to husband unless wife request it is split (she’s not exactly going to do this if in abusive relationship). 2 child limit on Family allowance. Free nursery places that underfund nurseries so much they go out of business. Tuition fees for Uni with the repayment threshold changed in the House of Commons debate so that they cost the same to the Government as when they were £3000 a year. New pension rules that mean we don’t have enough doctors. Ok now I need to go and lie down.... |
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It didn't have one of those newslettery things in did it? You know the ones? All about everyone's dahling offsprings' achievements over the past year. I stopped reading them several years ago when one of these missives contained a blow by blow account of - and I quote - 'Bob's anal fissure.' 
