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Post by zahidf on Nov 12, 2021 14:31:48 GMT
Reports of one region in Austria going to lockdown for the unvaccinated population. Very interesting How on earth are they going to enforce this? Is the police going around town, randomly checking people on the street for their vaccination certificates? Who has time for this? I was in a traffic accident not so long ago. I called the police. It took them more than an hour to come. So this isn’t Austria but I can’t imagine they have the personnel to do this. Today our current health minister introduced a new rule called 2G+ for events. With that only vaccinated people and those who’ve had Covid are allowed to participate but only if they bring a negative test. Unvaccinated aren’t allowed at all. So… why not? Is a negative test from an unvaccinated person less worth than that of someone who’s had the shot? This is really getting ridiculous now. (And also just today a politician encouraged people to not interact with unvaccinated people anymore… You know, we’ve been at this point before in our history. I can’t shake my head enough at this country. I really can’t…) Its the logical extension of people wanting Zero Covid and using the unvaccinated as a scapegoat for something which will never happen
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 15:28:48 GMT
Like who could have predicted this? After 1 day?
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 14:39:12 GMT
But I've posted several things showing it isn't a minor thing comparable to the NYC cops (mainly cos the money being paid to care staff is a lot less). Care homes are saying they are losing staff over it, enough to have to close homes and not take in NHS referrals Again it doesn't matter what we think about rhe vaccine: people who don't want to take it are leaving their low paid care home work in favour of other positions. What's your solution to this issue other than have a go at their intelligence and act like there isn't going to be a recruitment issue? What's your solution to the fact that NHS staff who refuse to be vaccinated are putting everyone they're purportedly caring for at risk, apart from apparently imagining that it's just not going to be an issue? I'm vulnerable myself; I don't want to be sitting in hospital with an underperforming heart wondering if I'll die because the people treating me haven't taken precautions to prevent infecting me because people like you are empowering them to put me in danger. Unvaccinated people shouldn't be in positions where they're dealing with the vulnerable. You're sitting there pondering hypotheticals; it is literally a matter of life and death for me.
Yes, it will be difficult if a large number of people refuse to get vaccinated, but just giving in to stupidity is not the answer. Vaccination ought to be mandatory, just as many other things are mandatory for everybody's safety. If that means there are fewer carers then so be it: better that than having carers who are actively killing the people they're supposed to be caring for. That's my solution: if they want to leave, let them leave. They can be replaced: the shortfall will only be temporary. There's nothing temporary about being dead.
And you still haven't addressed the issue of why this vaccine is such a problem when no others are.
I don't have a problem with the vaccine. I am more than happy to recommend everyone having it. Its not as easy as saying we can just replace care home and NHS staff : its not a temporary shortfall with an eager pool of staff waiting to be recruited. And lack of staff will kill loads of people this winter anyway. if someone is doing daily testing and wearing the PPI, it'll be as safe for their patients. Vaccines will make it even safer, but its never going to be 100% safe. We never have had mandatory vaccinations in this country, and for good reason. I don't think the situation now warrants it, and if we open that door, its one we may find it difficult to close later.
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 14:03:42 GMT
In this social media age, the second they put the details out to anyone, they’ll be online so I’m sure NT just wants to get out in front of it and get those “likes and shares” themselves. All theatres with memberships do it via media now. Cant think of anyone telling their members first!
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 13:54:02 GMT
Any news about a London showing?
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 13:50:23 GMT
But you've ignored my main point. It doesn't really matter what you think about why someone doesn't want to get vaccinated. If they decide not to have it, then the care homes and NHS will have MASSIVE issues in terms of staff. I understand the benefits of vaccination, I'm not disputing that. What's your solution for thousands of people resigning over the issue? If that actually happens. In New York there were scare stories about how a vaccine mandate would lead to 10,000 police officers being suspended. In the end it was 34. It turns out that most people aren't so stupid as to let some memes on Facebook tell them to throw away their careers.
Part of the problem is people like you overdramatising the situation. You keep referring to it as a "medical procedure" as if people were being ordered to donate a kidney. It's a routine vaccination: an extremely well tested and well understood thing that most people treat as a triviality barely worthy of notice. You don't see this sort of insane frenzy over things like tetanus or flu, and you don't see people demanding their freedom when they have to have their shots before going abroad. So what's so special now? Why do we suddenly have to pay attention to every idiot who is so utterly lacking in sapience that they can look at someone with several decades of medical experience and someone posting memes on social media and not be able to work out which of the two to believe?
But I've posted several things showing it isn't a minor thing comparable to the NYC cops (mainly cos the money being paid to care staff is a lot less). Care homes are saying they are losing staff over it, enough to have to close homes and not take in NHS referrals Again it doesn't matter what we think about rhe vaccine: people who don't want to take it are leaving their low paid care home work in favour of other positions. What's your solution to this issue other than have a go at their intelligence and act like there isn't going to be a recruitment issue?
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 13:03:59 GMT
The people wanting forced vaccinations with health care staff don't seem to either recognise the consequences of such, or care what the overall effects on healthcare will be. Too narrowly focused on one now endemic disease and not looking at the bigger picture. On the contrary, you are the one ignoring the bigger picture. Covid is currently taking up NHS resources that could be better served elsewhere. Vaccines vastly reduce the number of people becoming so ill from Covid that they take up NHS resources. Getting vaccinated is the bigger picture and if healthcare workers won't do so then they are exacerbating the problem for selfish and baseless reasons. I've just had to go home from work and arrange a test because someone I was in contact with has tested positive. That is a huge waste of my time and ecomomic productivity. If spread was reduced and everyone was vaccinated I expect it would be much less likely that I would have to do that. The bottom line though is that no-one has put forward any good reason not to get vaccinated, nor any reason that is not entirely self-centred and frankly willingly ignorant. People who are not vaccinated (save for those who are properly exempt) should be treated differently to those of us who have cared enough to be vaccinated, as it is entirely their own choice. But you've ignored my main point. It doesn't really matter what you think about why someone doesn't want to get vaccinated. If they decide not to have it, then the care homes and NHS will have MASSIVE issues in terms of staff. I understand the benefits of vaccination, I'm not disputing that. What's your solution for thousands of people resigning over the issue?
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 11:55:32 GMT
Is it churlish to ask whether primary school children need a version of Hamlet? Aren't there adult shows for adults and children's shows for children? Aren't there enough children's plays out there they could do? I have an open mind about the rest - all potentially good. Nice to see a minor British classic that hasn't been given a major revival to my knowledge in the past 30 years of my theatre-going life, for example. But the lack of a major name means it all lacks a bit of excitement. Its 3 performances and looks like a touring show. seems fine to me! Lack of names is an issue, but I guess they could get some names potentially for the Assassin and Elridge. Nicola Walker is a biggish name
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 11:54:23 GMT
Is the NT taking a leaf out of the Tory playbook? Rather than announce these new productions via email to members first, they are tweeting away on social media. Theyve been doing that for years: its all presented to the media first
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 10:28:59 GMT
Have to say, i like the look of those plays.
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 10:00:30 GMT
While I essentially agree with the idea that people working in healthcare ought to be expected to have taken the necessary steps to minimise their risk of spreading disease (in this case, being vaccinated against coronavirus), it's also difficult not to interpret the timing of this as being calculated to drive more public healthcare workers out of the industry just when they are likely to be needed, thus propping up the specious argument that the NHS can't cope as it is and needs to be privatised further. The people wanting forced vaccinations with health care staff don't seem to either recognise the consequences of such, or care what the overall effects on healthcare will be. Too narrowly focused on one now endemic disease and not looking at the bigger picture.
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 8:59:31 GMT
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 8:33:44 GMT
Hippoccratic oath states: I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. As this is the guiding document for those who work in healthcare the highlighted section implies that being vaccinated is the minimum duty of care expected as it is the best way to prevent the transmission of COVID. Not sure on the legality and expectations in regard to the oath but always assumed it was to be followed. Its not black and white www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/10/i-feel-really-let-down-unjabbed-care-home-staff-on-quitting-their-jobsI dont see how you can sack thousands of social care workers because they dont want to get a medical intervention, and not expect massive issues everywhere in healthcare. And i dont see how the 'problem' isnt solved with dqaily testing as an alternative.
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 8:05:20 GMT
Do you think they deserve more understanding and compassion to try and understand why they won't get the vaccine? No, because unless they have a medical condition that means they can't (in which case they would be legitimately exempt anyway), there is no good reason not to get it and they are therefore showing themselves to be alarmingly uneducated about the vaccine. I don't want to be treated by anyone who hasn't bothered to do a basic bit of research or chooses to ignore the medical science and a year's worth of evidence that the risk profile of the vaccines is basically little different to any of the many other vaccines the same health workers have probably had in their lifetimes. They are choosing not to be sensible or conscious of others, they should face the consequences of that. If that makes me harsh then I really don't care. And I'm sure thousands of people leaving social care and the NHS will have zero impact on the level of healthcare you'd recieve But I guess its easier to pile on low paid but highworkload people instead of listening to them or imposing daily testing instead
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Post by zahidf on Nov 11, 2021 0:55:59 GMT
So... catching a cold means you're less likely to have a bad reaction to covid
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Post by zahidf on Nov 10, 2021 23:39:33 GMT
I do find it a little weird that people are insisting people have a medical procedure. Its none of peoples business if someone is vaccinated or not. Regardless of me being pro vaccine, i absolutely am against vaccine mandates. Whats next, a 'flu free' clear all on an app? Attacking people who only have two doses and not a booster? its the thin edge of the wedge. I think NHS and care staff workers should have their concerns addressed and regular testing as a secondary option. No one should be forced to take a vaccine or medicine they dont want to take ( and i think making someone unemployed is forcing them) Would you make it optional someone working on a building site, to have the option to wear a hard hat or not? People working around heavy drilling no to wear eye protection? Driver and passengers not to wear seat belts? I am also pro choice, but pro-sensible choice. They've been working on the front line for crap pay during the pandemic for the last 15-18 months Do you think they deserve more understanding and compassion to try and understand why they won't get the vaccine? I know everyone loves a black and white pile on, but is anyone here going to help replace the 30k care workers estimated to be out of a job now? W
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Post by zahidf on Nov 10, 2021 16:14:33 GMT
The week on week drop in England was pretty small yesterday. Would not be surprising to see it rising again within a couple of weeks. There is quite a worrying surge in Austria and Germany which is bound to spill over to England as well in time. Isn’t it the surge here which has now spilled over to there? I dont think its right to blame Europes current surge on the UK....
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Post by zahidf on Nov 10, 2021 15:28:47 GMT
It's for the good of those people, though. While the more people vaccinated, the greater overall good, the main benefit is to the individual - you're less likely to get covid, and if you do get it, you're much less likely to die. Considering many NHS workers can be considered high risk for the exposure to covid, it's in their own interest to get vaccinated. It's hardly like people are being told 'donate a kidney or lose your job'. It's 'have a simple and free vaccine that could save YOUR life'. And mandating NHS workers get it can only improve the public's attitude towards the vaccine in general and encourage wider uptake of vaccines and boosters. It would be stupid for a country to inject every one of its medical professionals with anything remotely risky. All around good - for the individuals, for (as close as we can get to) herd immunity, and to help shut up the fearmongers. I dont disagree but there is a big difference between coercion and persuasion. I just think its a hop and step away from trying to stop getting service from other conditions e.t.c. Now we are in the 17th Day of reductions in cases, its not even a growing epidemic anymore, so i find it strange to mess up morale in the NHS like this.
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Post by zahidf on Nov 10, 2021 15:07:03 GMT
I do find it a little weird that people are insisting people have a medical procedure.
Its none of peoples business if someone is vaccinated or not. Regardless of me being pro vaccine, i absolutely am against vaccine mandates.
Whats next, a 'flu free' clear all on an app? Attacking people who only have two doses and not a booster? its the thin edge of the wedge.
I think NHS and care staff workers should have their concerns addressed and regular testing as a secondary option. No one should be forced to take a vaccine or medicine they dont want to take ( and i think making someone unemployed is forcing them)
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Post by zahidf on Nov 10, 2021 12:25:09 GMT
Feb and March 2023 at the national according to Richard Hawley on Facebook
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Post by zahidf on Nov 10, 2021 10:22:19 GMT
Interested to read this, zahidf, as from the description the subject and treatment sounded both confusing and unappealing, so I didn't book. But still time if it sounds worth seeing. I was surprised about how funny it was. But for sure, needs a trigger warning. It wasn't confusing I thought
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Post by zahidf on Nov 9, 2021 21:39:09 GMT
This was very good tonight! Intense but also strangely funny
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Post by zahidf on Nov 9, 2021 11:41:47 GMT
Any news on what will be in the theatre post Jan 2022?
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Post by zahidf on Nov 9, 2021 10:01:45 GMT
Returning to Sheffield end of 2022, and due to be staged at the National 2023
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