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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 10:48:16 GMT
No damehood for Petula Clark again it seems .But Dame Darcey Bussell at half her age! oh well! La Bussell's honour is well deserved though. Her ballet career speaks for itself I think. Delighted to see Julia McKenzie recognised too. She really should have been a Dame herself by now though. |
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Post by theatreian on Dec 30, 2017 15:38:20 GMT
Don't begrudge Darcey her Damehood but with the body of work Petula has done, over 30 films, recordings, stage work(including 2500 performances of Norma Desmond), concert tours , composing etc, I think she is due her Damehood now. She was performing this week at Niagra Falls and in New York just before Christmas and at 85 that is some going!
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Post by lynette on Dec 30, 2017 16:23:25 GMT
I’m not a fan of the Honours system as it is. I don’t think we should acclaim people who just do their jobs, whether they be civil servants or actors. They should be rewarded within their own systems such as the Oscars, Oliviers and long service stuff for public sector people. The Honours should be for people who go out of their way to to do more than their jobs within the community. And for extraordinary services within their jobs, such as particularly brave rescues for firemen and so on. There are people in our communities who work in the charity and voluntary world all their lives. The Honours system does find them, on recommendation, and the list does have them this year as in other years. This is the true Honours List.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 30, 2017 17:11:56 GMT
Another year and another no gong for Timmy Mallet or Gordon the Gopher this is completely outrageous, i’m Going to write to my Member of Parliament.
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Post by joem on Dec 30, 2017 17:18:34 GMT
I’m surprised it’s taken this long for Barry Gibb to be knighted. I'm blaming it all on the knights on Broadway. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 17:49:59 GMT
I want an actual gong. Being able to put letters after your name is nice, I suppose, but I want to be able to wake up the neighbours. Neighbouring towns, that is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 19:56:55 GMT
Another year and another no gong for Timmy Mallet or Gordon the Gopher this is completely outrageous, i’m Going to write to my Member of Parliament. And what about Sooty and Sweep for their services to entertainment? Sir Basil Brush also has a nice ring to it. I sometimes wonder what happened to them all, but imagine that they are kicking back at the Denville Hall retirement home watching re-runs of their old shows. |
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Post by tmesis on Dec 30, 2017 22:27:23 GMT
Sir Pinky and Perky is surely overdue.
edit... I'm assuming they are male; maybe time for the first gender-neutral gong.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 30, 2017 23:14:52 GMT
Another year and another no gong for Timmy Mallet or Gordon the Gopher this is completely outrageous, i’m Going to write to my Member of Parliament. And what about Sooty and Sweep for their services to entertainment? Sir Basil Brush also has a nice ring to it. I sometimes wonder what happened to them all, but imagine that they are kicking back at the Denville Hall retirement home watching re-runs of their old shows. Oh god I totally forgot about Basil Brush , he deserves to be knighted, the very first theatre trip I did at the Mayfair Theatre. I Cannot say the same about Sooty and Sweepy unfortunately, don’t you read about yewtree? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 12:41:38 GMT
And what about Sooty and Sweep for their services to entertainment? Sir Basil Brush also has a nice ring to it. I sometimes wonder what happened to them all, but imagine that they are kicking back at the Denville Hall retirement home watching re-runs of their old shows. Oh god I totally forgot about Basil Brush , he deserves to be knighted, the very first theatre trip I did at the Mayfair Theatre. I Cannot say the same about Sooty and Sweepy unfortunately, don’t you read about yewtree? Dear God, not Sooty. I’m not surprised about Sweep. But Sooty?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:26:50 GMT
Matthew Bourne would like to see Dame Petula.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:34:35 GMT
Amazed it took Julia McKenzie so long to be recognized given her high profile TV career as well as a stella stage career. Imelda Staunton had an OBE in 2006 and CBE a couple of years back, I'd imagine she is a lock to get her damehood sometime in 2020's.
The Radio Times had Michael Crawford down as Sir Michael Crawford, he had an OBE way back in 1987 and a CBE in 2014 so must be a strong knighthood candidate in the next few years especially as he does a lot of charity work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:38:19 GMT
I wonder if Sting will be knighted anytime soon? Sting had his CBE back in 2003 so must be fairly high up list of musicians to get knighthoods along with Eric Clapton. Roger Taylor and John Deacon from Queen must be due something although John is now effectively retired. |
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Post by theatreian on Dec 30, 2020 23:21:19 GMT
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 1, 2021 13:27:59 GMT
As an American, I understand what the honors are, but is there sort of a progression? Get an OBE and keep up the good work and you'll get a CBE, up to Knight/Dame? Or are there specific criteria that distinguish the different awards?
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Post by lynette on Jan 1, 2021 18:12:31 GMT
As an American, I understand what the honors are, but is there sort of a progression? Get an OBE and keep up the good work and you'll get a CBE, up to Knight/Dame? Or are there specific criteria that distinguish the different awards? Yes, it can work like that but you can go straight in at the top if you achieve something amazing or do something amazing for other people. It used to be that the different awards were clearly differentiated and also abased according to who you were , for example, civil service or plain Mrs bloggs. Now not so easy to see that. |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 1, 2021 20:51:17 GMT
It’s funny, it used to be far more strict, you had to work your way up to Knight/Dame, and would only get it towards the end of your career, but since the 2012 Olympics it has become a lot more common to get that earlier.
I wonder what will happen when our young Knights and Dames reach the age they would traditionally receive those honours - will they have to start staircasing them up to higher orders of chivalry?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 21:20:14 GMT
I wonder what will happen when our young Knights and Dames reach the age they would traditionally receive those honours - will they have to start staircasing them up to higher orders of chivalry? Why would anything need to happen? Unless they do something else extraordinary then no need for any further honour. And given most of the younger recipients are sportspeople whose careers are time-limited by genetics, there will probably be very few of them who would ever merit a further honour. I dont think that is really an issue. |
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 3, 2021 12:20:08 GMT
Thank you for the explanations. Why would anything need to happen? Unless they do something else extraordinary then no need for any further honour. Perhaps the issue is expectations? If a sports star goes on to found a major charity or a successful multi-national business or a career in politics, they would expect the recognition that normally follows. Can you get multiple OBEs or Damehoods... one for their contribution to British sports and the next for their contribution to charity, etc.? |
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 3, 2021 13:00:11 GMT
I'm bound to get some of the terminology wrong, but for a select few, it is possible to be 'promoted' to something like the Order of the Garter, the Order of Merit or the Order of the Companions of Honour, which are limited to just 24, 24 and 65 members respectively.
For example, Tom Stoppard was awarded an OBE in 1978, a knighthood in 1997 and an OM in 2000.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 3, 2021 13:21:42 GMT
Elton John was made a Companion of Honour last year - that’s the highest the government can give you and be apolitical.
The Chivalric orders above that are the personal choice of the monarch.
Once they’re into ‘Lordships’ then they can vote on Government Bills in the House of Lords, which can create all sorts of headaches.
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