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Post by theatrenerd on Nov 14, 2024 0:06:35 GMT
EDIT: How do you you get two quotes into a post on this board?
On desktop: on the first reply click drop down arrow next to the "i" in the box button on the top right hand corner (furthest button to the right) and click "Select Post", do the same on the second reply (and any others if you're doing more than 2) then at the bottom of the page under the Quick Reply box, click the "Reply" button on the black bar and the quotes you have selected should appear ready to add in your text. On mobile: Same principle, except click the cog button on the right hand side of the first reply then "Select Post", then on the 2nd reply (or last reply if doing more than 2) click the "Quote" button they should appear ready to add in your text. |
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Post by unseaworthy on Nov 14, 2024 1:35:24 GMT
Tina is no longer selling the upper circle from March. I really don’t think it has long left to run. I agree especially with the UK and Ireland tour coming up which will eat into its already low sales. My guess is it'll announce closure in early 2025. What else do we think is likely to shut after Christmas? |
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Post by blamerobots on Nov 14, 2024 1:48:56 GMT
It is worth noting also that the West End has lost the greatest theatre in the world the London Palladium as a theatre for open runs, I wonder when the ENO move out of the London Coliseum (not a good thing) if that will hold open runs again? I've heard multiple things about it, ranging from that it could become a place like TRDL that hosts big blockbusters for a year (not open runs, but instead like Gatsby which is going to be a dry run for the kind of shows that could play) or it could function as it does in the off-season/summer shows with touring arts groups like the ENB or touring opera companies circling in and out or hosting international tours of shows that require the surtitles (like Spirited Away, Notre Dame de Paris, etc.)
The ENO will still own the Coliseum though, and there will be ENO productions there, but it's likely seasons will stop and the majority of the shows in the Coliseum will be from other companies using the space. They'll become more of a theatre operator in London compared to Manchester which will be the new base of operations and where the proper ENO seasons will play. We'll just likely get transfers from there to here.
It's definitely not been decided yet. Last person I spoke to said it's all up in the air as it's still a while until 2029 and they're being open to ideas -- I want the ENO to stay as is but at the same time I'd love some glorious larger-than-life shows playing that great big stage. It needs shows with the scale and spectacle that will sell it out, though. If Hello Dolly flopped at the Palladium a show like that would be eviscerated at the Colesium.
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Post by SilverFox on Nov 14, 2024 8:15:43 GMT
EDIT: How do you you get two quotes into a post on this board?
On desktop: on the first reply click drop down arrow next to the "i" in the box button on the top right hand corner (furthest button to the right) and click "Select Post", do the same on the second reply (and any others if you're doing more than 2) then at the bottom of the page under the Quick Reply box, click the "Reply" button on the black bar and the quotes you have selected should appear ready to add in your text. On mobile: Same principle, except click the cog button on the right hand side of the first reply then "Select Post", then on the 2nd reply (or last reply if doing more than 2) click the "Quote" button they should appear ready to add in your text. Yay! Thanks theatrenerd. That works just dandy. |
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 14, 2024 8:41:42 GMT
Wait, I thought the highest grossing entertainment of all time was Phantom? Or has LK overtaken it now? The Lion King is at $8.2bn globally, Phantom is $6.06bn followed by Wicked at $5bn, Disappointing! |
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Post by keyspi on Nov 14, 2024 9:52:38 GMT
Wicked, Six, Book of Mormon and Harry Potter have certainly overstayed their welcome as far as I am concerned and I would be happy to see them done away with and replaced by something of higher quality..........one can only dream 😆
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Post by osdtdg on Nov 14, 2024 9:58:26 GMT
I agree with Harry Potter. Unfortunately, the brand name alone will probably keep it chugging along for a while. Wicked needs a MAJOR refresh or to just close as a courtesy, its not in good shape atm. Book of Mormon has probably had its run too. But, at the same time, the long runners are good for reasons stated above so... I'm conflicted
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Post by craigbowker on Nov 14, 2024 10:14:46 GMT
Hello Dolly flopped because it was Hello Dolly. |
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Post by craigbowker on Nov 14, 2024 10:16:15 GMT
I agree with Harry Potter. Unfortunately, the brand name alone will probably keep it chugging along for a while. Wicked needs a MAJOR refresh or to just close as a courtesy, its not in good shape atm. Book of Mormon has probably had its run too. But, at the same time, the long runners are good for reasons stated above so... I'm conflicted Harry Potter is weirdly the one I think deserves to stay. The stagecraft is only rivalled by Stranger Things and they have also been updating the script (several times now) to keep it fresh and improve the flow. I would like to see it get a fresh coat of paint though. Some of the sets look like they've been through a lot. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2024 10:20:37 GMT
Wasn’t there a plan to combine Harry Potter’s two parts into a single play? That might keep it going for another couple of years.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2024 10:23:44 GMT
Wicked, Six, Book of Mormon and Harry Potter have certainly overstayed their welcome as far as I am concerned and I would be happy to see them done away with and replaced by something of higher quality..........one can only dream 😆 Book of Mormon, I seriously, seriously don’t get how it’s still being performed in this day and age. Apart from the obvious issues with its content, it’s just not very good. Unclog! |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 14, 2024 10:51:13 GMT
Wasn’t there a plan to combine Harry Potter’s two parts into a single play? That might keep it going for another couple of years. Considering this is how it went on Broadway, I assume it will take the same trajectory here. I would be so intrigued to see if it even makes any sense at all as one part - there's plenty you could cut, but I'm not sure there's 50% you could cut! updating the script (several times now) to keep it fresh and improve the flow I would not say the updates to the script have improved the flow... Some of the new dialogue is absolutely dire |
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Post by blamerobots on Nov 14, 2024 11:00:59 GMT
there's plenty you could cut, but I'm, not sure there's 50% you could cut! You definitely could cut 50% as the High School Edition which is the most condensed version runs at a very brisk 2 hours.
Cursed Child is probably the only show of the past 10 years I actively hate. I wish it would just go away and tour already. As a special effects light show it's great but as a play it's utterly dreadful.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 14, 2024 11:03:04 GMT
there's plenty you could cut, but I'm, not sure there's 50% you could cut! You definitely could cut 50% as the High School Edition which is the most condensed version runs 2 hours. I wish there was a comparison script that highlight all the parts that clearly aren't necessary! Just goes to show that the whole two parter thing was truly just a ploy to get people to buy double the tickets |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2024 11:25:03 GMT
Going to move this into General so our members who focus on Plays can join in.
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Post by Jon on Nov 14, 2024 11:40:28 GMT
I imagine when Harry Potter and the Cursed Child eventually does the UK tour, it'll be the one part version.
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Post by craigbowker on Nov 14, 2024 11:48:50 GMT
You definitely could cut 50% as the High School Edition which is the most condensed version runs 2 hours. I wish there was a comparison script that highlight all the parts that clearly aren't necessary! Just goes to show that the whole two parter thing was truly just a ploy to get people to buy double the tickets I saw a version of the secondary school script floating around a few months ago and honestly it's much worse. Having seen both the one and two part versions (NYC vs London), the two part is the only way the show really works. As a one part, the flaws people take issue with are put more centre stage as it only has time to be about the time travel plot. With the two part, it's more a story about coming of age as a queer adolescent and what that means for familial relationships and the more-than-friend who made you realise it. That's just my read of it though. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 14, 2024 13:25:33 GMT
With the two part, it's more a story about coming of age as a queer adolescent and what that means for familial relationships and the more-than-friend who made you realise it. I think it could be that. The potential is there. The script changes in the wake of the queerbaiting complaints certainly shifted it in that direction. But it's lazy, inconsistent, and too full of poorly written dialogue to really achieve it. |
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Post by hannechalk on Nov 14, 2024 14:41:58 GMT
What if Blood Brothers returned to the West End? 🤭🤭🤭
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Post by Jon on Nov 14, 2024 14:45:42 GMT
What if Blood Brothers returned to the West End? 🤭🤭🤭 The current production can't come in as BKL lost the West End rights once it closed at the Phoenix. I think one of the reasons it closed was the old contract which gave ATG pittance for rent was no longer valid and the new contract was going to increase costs to an unaffordable amount and I suspect it was done so that ATG could enact a stop clause. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 14, 2024 15:33:55 GMT
I imagine when Harry Potter and the Cursed Child eventually does the UK tour, it'll be the one part version. I’m surprised this hasn’t toured already, could easily tour the UK for 2 years. I reckon this could sit down in Manchester for 6 months. However the 2 parts work in London as the weekdays tourists can see go, where others are at work. I wouldn’t say the tourist market would be there in U.K cities so would make sense to do in one part 6 nights a week. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 14, 2024 21:06:41 GMT
I imagine when Harry Potter and the Cursed Child eventually does the UK tour, it'll be the one part version. I’m surprised this hasn’t toured already, could easily tour the UK for 2 years. I reckon this could sit down in Manchester for 6 months. However the 2 parts work in London as the weekdays tourists can see go, where others are at work. I wouldn’t say the tourist market would be there in U.K cities so would make sense to do in one part 6 nights a week. My guess is that they'll launch the tour in 2026, 10 years after the London production seems about right. |
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Post by fansylvanians on Nov 15, 2024 15:51:32 GMT
The Olympia is next to a London Overground station and only a short walk or bus from Hammersmith station. Not much of a hassle. also, Olympia is a tube station, a branch on the District Line next to Earls Court.
It's not as if the developers and local authority won't have considered the internets "nightmare".
But the tube only runs to Olympia station at weekends/bank holidays. |
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Post by aspieandy on Nov 15, 2024 16:29:07 GMT
Yes, that is now, it is not then. All of that work would have been done 5-7 years ago. Also, the market research, the impact assessments, the project partnerships, the £billion investments. At some point the local authority would begin to act on its various duties of care (to the public), the police and TfL would have been included, and on and on it goes .. London has been doing these projects of this scale since at least the first Canary Wharf tower was proposed. Everything has to work, or nothing is built. There will be a regular and peak service.
Might not be even be that hard to get to/from Old Oak Common (new Overground station/s > Elizabeth Line/eventually HS2), which would be significant.
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