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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:37:25 GMT
I still dont get how someone taking a selfie can be stressful for someone with a medical condition. And considering you clearly cant answer that question it makes me doubt its possible. Well I guess some people may have certain anxiety triggers caused by flashes or feeling like they are being photographed or such like. Perhaps a flash taken close by could cause some kind of fit. I imagine there are several reasons why taking selfies can be stressful for someone with a medical condition. How common that is, I wouldn't know but I imagine that it is possible. |
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 19, 2019 16:38:19 GMT
You should have booked a box, @eldermillan. The indignity of having to sit so near to someone with such a ridiculous haircut! And he certainly shouldn't be wearing a shirt like that to the theatre. 🙂
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:40:47 GMT
I still dont get how someone taking a selfie can be stressful for someone with a medical condition. And considering you clearly cant answer that question it makes me doubt its possible. Well I guess some people may have certain anxiety triggers caused by flashes or feeling like they are being photographed or such like. Perhaps a flash taken close by could cause some kind of fit. I imagine there are several reasons why taking selfies can be stressful for someone with a medical condition. How common that is, I wouldn't know but I imagine that it is possible. Ofcourse. But cant imagine that a phone making a selfie needs much flash in a well lit theatre. Regardless whenever I'm somewhere with strangers I always have flash off. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:41:38 GMT
Seriously, why the need to be so dismissive? People are just asking questions. You paint people in a bad light and are being condescending. There is no need for that. I still dont get how someone taking a selfie can be stressful for someone with a medical condition. And considering you clearly cant answer that question it makes me doubt its possible. And no. It has nothing to do with different social standards. Because taking a selfie before a show starts in a venue where that is allowed is normal and totally harmless to others. It’s sad I have to do this for you but space intrusion for one thing can have an impact on those with affective disorders www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4590542/It has to do with different social standards, poster said they would deliberately ruin the experience of someone who asked them to reign it in. That is a very different standard to the way I bhave my life socially. It’s also like the people who refuse to turn off their phone during a show and it vibrates, unless you’re a doctor on call turn off your phone or stay at home if the call is that important. |
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:44:18 GMT
But the idea of a selfie is that someone takes a picture of themselves. Not of others. It just seems a bit far fetched to me tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:44:21 GMT
Maybe it’s a London thing or urban thing, I saw a poor man have a badge the other day which said give me your seat on the tube. In this instance he was physically disabled the indignity of having to label himself because someone wouldn’t get up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:44:38 GMT
Regardless whenever I'm somewhere with strangers I always have flash off. Oh I had a flash off with a stranger once too. Nothing came of it but I did go out with a delightful policeman for several months afterwards as a result. *sigh* I still sometimes miss his dexterity with how he used to handle his truncheon even now. Good times. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:45:35 GMT
But the idea of a selfie is that someone takes a picture of themselves. Not of others. Seems a bit far fetched to me. Your life experience is yours, just because you haven’t experienced something or don’t understand something doesn’t make it less valid. Jeez Louise you would try the patience of a saint |
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:48:56 GMT
But the idea of a selfie is that someone takes a picture of themselves. Not of others. Seems a bit far fetched to me. Your life experience is yours, just because you haven’t experienced something or don’t understand something doesn’t make it less valid. Jeez Louise you would try the patience of a saint My advice for you is that, when you want to teach others, or learn people about certain things, to stop doing it in such a condescending and passive agressive way. I genuinly wanted to learn more about what you were trying to say but the way you say it and the way you comment is really turning me off discussing serious topics with you. You also have no idea about my life experience so stop acting that way. |
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Post by MrsCondomine on Feb 19, 2019 16:51:21 GMT
Maybe it’s a London thing or urban thing, I saw a poor man have a badge the other day which said give me your seat on the tube. In this instance he was physically disabled the indignity of having to label himself because someone wouldn’t get up. I... don't know if you're trolling now, but the guy wouldn't have just had the badge slapped on him. He would have chosen to wear it. Pregnant women can also get similar badges. I don't see how this is remotely connected to Hamilton though, or why people won't attend it because it's full of "a certain type of people". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:52:30 GMT
This will be my last post in this thread for a while cause I'm sick of this.
Yes, if someone asks me to stop taking pictures just cause they're sick of social media and think I'm doing it for attention, yes, I will still take pictures. More pictures actually. That was your initial point and what we were discussing. Social media "addiction". You didn't give any other context. After I said that, then you started talking about medical stuff and making me a horrible person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:52:53 GMT
Soooooooo, back in London's glitzy West End. This 'Hamilton' huh? Is it still running?
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Post by MrsCondomine on Feb 19, 2019 16:53:34 GMT
Soooooooo, back in London's glitzy West End. This 'Hamilton' huh? Is it still running? What's Hamilton? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:56:15 GMT
This will be my last post in this thread for a while cause I'm sick of this. Yes, if someone asks me to stop taking pictures just cause they're sick of social media and think I'm doing it for attention, yes, I will still take pictures. More pictures actually. That was your initial point and what we were discussing. Social media "addiction". You didn't give any other context. After I said that, then you started talking about medical stuff and making me a horrible person. I didn’t realise you were mystic meg! You’re going to look at the person and make a judgement on your limited world view then. You’re actions as you described make you a horrible person. Also no one chooses to wear a badge saying I have a disability it’s because jerks out there assume they don’t or are so wrapped up in their own bubble they ignore them. |
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Post by dip on Feb 19, 2019 17:02:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:07:08 GMT
Honestly? This is a weak argument. Taking a selfie is completely harmless if it happens before the performance starts, or at interval.
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Post by 49thand8th on Feb 19, 2019 17:07:24 GMT
Soooooooo, back in London's glitzy West End. This 'Hamilton' huh? Is it still running? What's Hamilton? Something that attracts a wider audience than just the insiders. Scary! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 19, 2019 17:12:39 GMT
Thread locked.
Shall we all cool off for a bit? ❄️☃️
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Post by Stasia on Feb 20, 2019 8:26:33 GMT
In case someone is genuinely interested, Hamilton is very inclusive for people with certain kinds of disabilities/mental health issues mentioned here. I read about someone's personal experience on facebook recently and happy to share with you.
There was a mum with her teen kid who had this kind of problem, and they used an access line to get into the theatre without queueing. Then there is a designated area for these people to wait before the show starts, where they can escape the crowds (the same during the interval). If they feel overwhelmed, they can leave the audience and watch the show from the foyer on the screen. Also people with that kind of issues usually book tix via access line, so they are getting seats in the boxes or on the sides of the rows to be able to leave easily.
Hope that's useful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 9:44:08 GMT
In case someone is genuinely interested, Hamilton is very inclusive for people with certain kinds of disabilities/mental health issues mentioned here. I read about someone's personal experience on facebook recently and happy to share with you. There was a mum with her teen kid who had this kind of problem, and they used an access line to get into the theatre without queueing. Then there is a designated area for these people to wait before the show starts, where they can escape the crowds (the same during the interval). If they feel overwhelmed, they can leave the audience and watch the show from the foyer on the screen. Also people with that kind of issues usually book tix via access line, so they are getting seats in the boxes or on the sides of the rows to be able to leave easily. Hope that's useful. Thanks Stasia, we often book for the large group access seats sometimes it’s not always feasible. Also, we’re of the philosophy that people born with sensory or mental health conditions shouldn’t have to change when some small behavioural changes on the part of the wider population would make a difference. And people shouldn’t be segregated because someone cannot behave with respect in a confined space with regard to those around them. I see Layton Williams has a thread today about the behaviour of current audiences which all feeds into this. |
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Post by danb on Feb 20, 2019 9:59:38 GMT
In case someone is genuinely interested, Hamilton is very inclusive for people with certain kinds of disabilities/mental health issues mentioned here. I read about someone's personal experience on facebook recently and happy to share with you. There was a mum with her teen kid who had this kind of problem, and they used an access line to get into the theatre without queueing. Then there is a designated area for these people to wait before the show starts, where they can escape the crowds (the same during the interval). If they feel overwhelmed, they can leave the audience and watch the show from the foyer on the screen. Also people with that kind of issues usually book tix via access line, so they are getting seats in the boxes or on the sides of the rows to be able to leave easily. Hope that's useful. Thanks Stasia, we often book for the large group access seats sometimes it’s not always feasible. Also, we’re of the philosophy that people born with sensory or mental health conditions shouldn’t have to change when some small behavioural changes on the part of the wider population would make a difference. And people shouldn’t be segregated because someone cannot behave with respect in a confined space with regard to those around them. I see Layton Williams has a thread today about the behaviour of current audiences which all feeds into this. Whilst totally on board with the individual needs that you’ve described, and the need of others to respect them, are you saying that your group deliberately doesn’t use the areas set aside by the theatre because you think that the other 1200 plus people attending should all be aware that there might just be someone with those needs in attendance? When somewhere has gone to the trouble of setting a safe space aside for you? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:07:41 GMT
Thanks Stasia, we often book for the large group access seats sometimes it’s not always feasible. Also, we’re of the philosophy that people born with sensory or mental health conditions shouldn’t have to change when some small behavioural changes on the part of the wider population would make a difference. And people shouldn’t be segregated because someone cannot behave with respect in a confined space with regard to those around them. I see Layton Williams has a thread today about the behaviour of current audiences which all feeds into this. Whilst totally on board with the individual needs that you’ve described, and the need of others to respect them, are you saying that your group deliberately doesn’t use the areas set aside by the theatre because you think that the other 1200 plus people attending should all be aware that there might just be someone with those needs in attendance? When somewhere has gone to the trouble of setting a safe space aside for you? Yes not everyone in the group is diagnosed as having a medical condtion and others don’t feel they should be segregated! Edit: Accessible Seats may also be more expensive than other seats in the auditorium. People shouldn’t be penalised either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:10:52 GMT
Whilst totally on board with the individual needs that you’ve described, and the need of others to respect them, are you saying that your group deliberately doesn’t use the areas set aside by the theatre because you think that the other 1200 plus people attending should all be aware that there might just be someone with those needs in attendance? When somewhere has gone to the trouble of setting a safe space aside for you? Yes not everyone in the group is diagnosed as having a medical condtion and others don’t feel they should be segregated! It's accommodation, not segregation. It's a bit hypocritical to complain about lack of accommodation then deliberately choose not to take advantage of special measures that are being put in place to ensure every single person going to the theatre has an experience appropriate to their individual needs! You're making a rod for your own back really, but that is your choice I suppose. |
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Post by Rukaya on Feb 20, 2019 10:17:08 GMT
In case someone is genuinely interested, Hamilton is very inclusive for people with certain kinds of disabilities/mental health issues mentioned here. I read about someone's personal experience on facebook recently and happy to share with you. There was a mum with her teen kid who had this kind of problem, and they used an access line to get into the theatre without queueing. Then there is a designated area for these people to wait before the show starts, where they can escape the crowds (the same during the interval). If they feel overwhelmed, they can leave the audience and watch the show from the foyer on the screen. Also people with that kind of issues usually book tix via access line, so they are getting seats in the boxes or on the sides of the rows to be able to leave easily. Hope that's useful. To tag onto this, the FOH team at the VP are brilliant with access patrons, going above and beyond to make sure they have everything they need and that they're OK. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:17:27 GMT
Yes not everyone in the group is diagnosed as having a medical condtion and others don’t feel they should be segregated! It's accommodation, not segregation. It's a bit hypocritical to complain about lack of accommodation then deliberately choose not to take advantage of special measures that are being put in place to ensure every single person going to the theatre has an experience appropriate to their individual needs! You're making a rod for your own back really, but that is your choice I suppose. I don’t think the mods want this discussion to continue in this thread but I will answer you. It is segregation. I think the wider point has been lost on the thread regarding audience behavior and the impact it has on all people disregarding people medical conditions. I’ll leave it there on this thread if someone wants to start a thread I’d be happy to answer any questions. But remember asylums shut years ago people with mental health conditions live in the real world if your solution is to segregate them then there is no discussion to be had I won’t engage with that level of ‘Trumpian Build the Wall’ discourse. |
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