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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 15:38:18 GMT
Great. I’ll be sure to discredit all the peer reviewed journals who deal with this and I’ll cite your comprehensive hypothesis. It's fine if you don't want to sit in a theatre near people who make selfies, but you will, for no reason at all, miss out on a lot of great shows. Hamilton for example. Which is great. Not all people with Smartphones and social media are anti social just because they like to take a selfie with a playbill in the theatre. Whenever I see someone take a selfie with their playbill it makes me happy. It's fun seeing people enjoying themselves. The idea that using social media makes anti social is just wrong. Well said. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:43:51 GMT
I disagree, they are intrinsically linked. Look at the phenomenon of selfie deaths. Social media (addiction) and anti-social behaviour are linked you’ll find studies online. Also it’s not an audiences job to police fellow members of the audience, I paid my dues as a teenager as an usher and audiences were nothing like they are now. I do place some blame on venues. Of course they are linked in some cases, but not all or even the majority. It's completely wrong to tar all Instagram users, for example, with the same brush, which is what you are doing. That really does come across as snobbery even if you might not intend it that way. You are effectively admitting to being prejudiced against people who take Instagram shots of their theatre tickets because you automatically assume they will be disruptive audience members and seem to think they should not be entitled to be there. Can you not see how preposterous that notion is? And in terms of the policing the audience, then obviously it isn't any audience member's job, but if someone is disturbing you that much then it is your prerogative to tell them to stop - there is no law that says you just have to sit there and take it, that's entirely your choice... I can’t believe I have to say this but here goes, not all social media users. I often ask people to keep it down or to sit back. I think the venues should do more to discourage bad behaviour for audience and performers alike. |
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 15:50:30 GMT
In your opinion, in what regards where audiences more well behaved back in the days compared to now?
Maybe I am lucky but I dont have any or much experience with people using their phones during a performance. Never saw someone made a selfie or picture during a show. Etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:51:09 GMT
Of course they are linked in some cases, but not all or even the majority. It's completely wrong to tar all Instagram users, for example, with the same brush, which is what you are doing. That really does come across as snobbery even if you might not intend it that way. You are effectively admitting to being prejudiced against people who take Instagram shots of their theatre tickets because you automatically assume they will be disruptive audience members and seem to think they should not be entitled to be there. Can you not see how preposterous that notion is? And in terms of the policing the audience, then obviously it isn't any audience member's job, but if someone is disturbing you that much then it is your prerogative to tell them to stop - there is no law that says you just have to sit there and take it, that's entirely your choice... I can’t believe I have to say this but here goes, not all social media users. I often ask people to keep it down or to sit back. I think the venues should do more to discourage bad behaviour for audience and performers alike. Well if I'm taking a pic or a selfie and the person next to me asks me to stop and sit down, again assuming this is happening before the show or during the interval, I'd think that person is crazy and I would actually take more pics just to annoy them. There is nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:57:32 GMT
My favourite theatre for that is the Sam Wanamaker Playhouse, it's very common for one usher to make sure you know that your phone MUST be off for the duration of the performance so you SHOULD turn it off NOW, even though there are still twenty minutes until it starts, and another usher to tell you that not only are you allowed to take photos before the show starts, you absolutely MUST take photos of this BEAUTIFUL theatre. If the ushers are that confused, no wonder some of the punters aren't 100%.
The thing I really hated about James Graham's Privacy at the Donmar Warehouse was that we were actively encouraged to participate in the show by doing particular things with our smartphones, and then once we were told that the interactive portion of the show was over and we should absolutely not have our phones out anymore, one woman in the front row of the stalls just carried on using her phone right up until the end of the show. Talking about being given an inch and taking a mile...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:57:45 GMT
I can’t believe I have to say this but here goes, not all social media users. I often ask people to keep it down or to sit back. I think the venues should do more to discourage bad behaviour for audience and performers alike. Well if I'm taking a pic or a selfie and the person next to me asks me to stop and sit down, again assuming this is happening before the show or during the interval, I'd think that person is crazy and I would actually take more pics just to annoy them. There is nothing wrong with that. Many auditoriums have a no photo policy why would you think you are entitled to ignore that? And here is the crux of the issue, it’s the entitlement, to take photos l, to talk to have access to actors at stage door. And if you disturbed someone with a medical condition and they asked you to stop your immature reaction would actually make their experience worse. This is exactly the problem thanks for proving my point. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:01:19 GMT
I know some theatres have a strict no photo policy and I respect that. That's not the case at the Victoria Palace though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:01:49 GMT
I must say the way people speak about people living with mental health conditions and how they would treat them in this forum is disgusting. You should all be ashamed and hope you never have a condition that impacts your interaction with life visit your door.
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:02:37 GMT
I seriously dont see how someone taking a selfie before showtime can have a negative effect on someone elses medical condition. As long as its a selfie no one else is in the picture. If someone randomly starts taking pictures of other audience members I agree. If there is a reason why it could have a negative effect I would like to learn more about it. I dont want to bother other people but just cant see how a selfie before showtime can do so
The no photo rule is a general rule which states that it isnt allowed to make a picture or film when the show is in progress but there arent many theatres who doesnt allow their visitors to make pictures or selfies before after or during the interval. Why stop a visitor making a picture having a good time before or after the show? Its good publicity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:05:59 GMT
I know some theatres have a strict no photo policy and I respect that. That's not the case at the Victoria Palace though. No what you said was if the person beside you asked not to disrupt their experience and there were rules you’d go out of your way to make the experience horrible for the person who just asked you to consider their experience of the show. |
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:07:20 GMT
I know some theatres have a strict no photo policy and I respect that. That's not the case at the Victoria Palace though. No what you said was if the person beside you asked not to disrupt their experience and there were rules you’d go out of your way to make the experience horrible for the person who just asked you to consider their experience of the show. But how would a selfie or photo of the playball before showtime or after showtime or in the interval disrupt someone elses experience? Genuinly curious. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:10:01 GMT
I know some theatres have a strict no photo policy and I respect that. That's not the case at the Victoria Palace though. No what you said was if the person beside you asked not to disrupt their experience and there were rules you’d go out of your way to make the experience horrible for the person who just asked you to consider their experience of the show. I'm not gonna argue anymore. If pics are allowed before the show, I'll take pics if I want to. If someone asks me to stop, I won't, cause it's allowed. If you have a problem with that wait at the bar. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:13:09 GMT
No what you said was if the person beside you asked not to disrupt their experience and there were rules you’d go out of your way to make the experience horrible for the person who just asked you to consider their experience of the show. I'm not gonna argue anymore. If pics are allowed before the show, I'll take pics if I want to. If someone asks me to stop, I won't, cause it's allowed. If you have a problem with that wait at the bar. And I’m allowed call out your behavior as incredibly selfish and lacking in any regard for people that might have sensory difficulties. I have no problem with you taking a photo if allowed before hand the disgusting part is that if someone asked you to stop because they were distressed or feeling overwhelmed you’d go out of your way to ruin their night. You should reflect on that, that’s problematic behaviour. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:13:39 GMT
To be honest, 'Hamilton' is one of the few shows around where using your phone to do your online shopping, take a few photos, text your friend and Google "Has Tom Bateman split up with Daisy Ridley yet?" during the show is preferable to actually sitting through it and watching it.
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:15:43 GMT
I'm not gonna argue anymore. If pics are allowed before the show, I'll take pics if I want to. If someone asks me to stop, I won't, cause it's allowed. If you have a problem with that wait at the bar. And I’m allowed call out your behavior as incredibly selfish and lacking in any regard for people that might have sensory difficulties. I have no problem with you taking a photo if allowed before hand the disgusting part is that if someone asked you to stop because they were distressed or feeling overwhelmed you’d go out of your way to ruin their night. You should reflect on that, that’s problematic behaviour. You keep saying that but you still havent explained how someone taking a selfie or photo of playbill before, after show or during interval can be stressful to somebody else. And I genuinly want to know how people can experience someone else taking a selfie before a show can be stressful. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:17:58 GMT
I'm not gonna argue anymore. If pics are allowed before the show, I'll take pics if I want to. If someone asks me to stop, I won't, cause it's allowed. If you have a problem with that wait at the bar. And I’m allowed call out your behavior as incredibly selfish and lacking in any regard for people that might have sensory difficulties. I have no problem with you taking a photo if allowed before hand the disgusting part is that if someone asked you to stop because they were distressed or feeling overwhelmed you’d go out of your way to ruin their night. You should reflect on that, that’s problematic behaviour. Ok, I'm quoting both our posts. "I often ask people to keep it down or to sit back. I think the venues should do more to discourage bad behaviour for audience and performers alike." "Well if I'm taking a pic or a selfie and the person next to me asks me to stop and sit down, again assuming this is happening before the show or during the interval, I'd think that person is crazy and I would actually take more pics just to annoy them." There was no context of a person feeling distressed or having difficulties there, so don't make me a horrible person. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:21:58 GMT
And I’m allowed call out your behavior as incredibly selfish and lacking in any regard for people that might have sensory difficulties. I have no problem with you taking a photo if allowed before hand the disgusting part is that if someone asked you to stop because they were distressed or feeling overwhelmed you’d go out of your way to ruin their night. You should reflect on that, that’s problematic behaviour. You keep saying that but you still havent explained how someone taking a selfie or photo of playbill before, after show or during interval can be stressful to somebody else. And I genuinly want to know how people can experience someone else taking a selfie before a show can be stressful. There are a multitude of reasons why a taking photos before during or after a performance can be disruptive. You should be able to use your experience and knowledge to picture those encounters. My experience is people spilling drinks while taking selfies before the show. Also being included without permission in a photo. Someone falling off the back of the seat taking a photo to name a few. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:24:02 GMT
And I’m allowed call out your behavior as incredibly selfish and lacking in any regard for people that might have sensory difficulties. I have no problem with you taking a photo if allowed before hand the disgusting part is that if someone asked you to stop because they were distressed or feeling overwhelmed you’d go out of your way to ruin their night. You should reflect on that, that’s problematic behaviour. Ok, I'm quoting both our posts. "I often ask people to keep it down or to sit back. I think the venues should do more to discourage bad behaviour for audience and performers alike." "Well if I'm taking a pic or a selfie and the person next to me asks me to stop and sit down, again assuming this is happening before the show or during the interval, I'd think that person is crazy and I would actually take more pics just to annoy them." There was no context of a person feeling distressed or having difficulties there, so don't make me a horrible person. You made yourself that, what do you want a Medical Cert. from someone who asks you to reign it in? You specifically said you’d be further annoying. You’re exactly the type of person I was talking about. |
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:25:16 GMT
Eldermillan just said that when someone asks him to stop taking a selfie before Hamilton starts he doesnt listen because taking a selfie before Hamilton starts is allowed. You are trying to paint him as a bad person whilwle he didnt say anything to warrant that. He just responded to something you brought up.
Cant see how you can spill your drink while taking a selfie and no clue how people can fall of the back of their chairs while taking a selfie.
And I dont think that, when that indeed does happen, there need to be a complete selfieban in theatres.
I also think people falling while taking selfies is more hilarious then upsetting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:26:33 GMT
My experience is (A) people spilling drinks while taking selfies before the show. (B) Also being included without permission in a photo. (C) Someone falling off the back of the seat taking a photo to name a few. (A) Oh my days. They should be thrown out. Spilling a drink indeed, there's no need for that. (B) Depends on where they're going to post the photo. On their common Facebook feed? No. On www.hottiesatthetheatre.com? Post away. And thank you. (C) More people should do that. That's tres hilair! I wouldn't be able to stop myself from pointing at them and laughing my way to the bar. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:31:15 GMT
Don't worry, I was very careful when I took this one and no one was hurt (or bathed with a gin&tonic) .  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:31:34 GMT
Elder just said that when someone asks him to stop taking a selfie before Hamilton starts he doesnt listen because taking a selfie before Hamilton starts is allowed. You are trying to paint him as a bad person whilw he didnt say anything to warrant that. He just responded to something you brought up. Cant see how you can spill your drink while taking a selfie and no clue how people can fall of the back of their chairs while taking a selfie. And I dont think that, when that indeed does happen, there need to be a complete selfieban in theatres. Nuance, look it up. I never called for a selfie ban. Just because you’re allowed to do something doesn’t mean you should do it. Marrying your first cousin may be legal in the UK it doesn’t mean you should! People should be more considerate of the impact their behaviour has on those around them especially at the theatre, a confined space. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:32:55 GMT
Don't worry, I was very careful when I took this one and no one was hurt (or bathed with a gin&tonic) . Good for you. We have different social standards, this is life. Consent is a problem for many people across the board it’s seems. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:33:42 GMT
Don't worry, I was very careful when I took this one and no one was hurt. Nice to see mohawks still getting an outing for 'Hamilton'. |
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Post by timothyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:34:08 GMT
Seriously, why the need to be so dismissive? People are just asking questions. You paint people in a bad light and are being condescending. There is no need for that.
I still dont get how someone taking a selfie can be stressful for someone with a medical condition. And considering you clearly cant answer that question it makes me doubt its possible.
And no. It has nothing to do with different social standards. Because taking a selfie before a show starts in a venue where that is allowed is normal and totally harmless to others.
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