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Post by foxa on Nov 20, 2016 20:51:32 GMT
I don't trust Pence an inch, but his response is much classier than Trump's, and many of ours if we're being strictly honest.  I agree absolutely, Baemax. But the bar is so low at the moment, I'm just happy to hear something sane. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 22:07:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:12:02 GMT
Ms Exum has one opinion about the value of entertainers. And clearly, Katie Hopkins has another (unsurprisingly): "News flash for the cast of Hamilton: you are not actually part of the Washington elite. You have not been elected. You are paid performers who make people happy for money. Like prostitutes." ;-)
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Post by primitivewallflower on Nov 21, 2016 2:23:42 GMT
The other sad thing in all of this is that a musical that is remarkable in being a political work of art with crossover appeal (at least in the American context) is now being polarized before our very eyes. 'Hamilton' often gets pigeon-holed as a work of the Left but neither the musical nor certainly the man himself fit neatly into that category. That it honed an American myth that both Left and Right could latch onto was one of the many things I liked about it.
That said, it's a natural artistic rebuttal to Trumpism and the rise of nativist movements around the world; prior to Trump's win I thought it would be poised to do well in London as a sort of extended metaphor against Brexit. Now if it's going to be cast as the cultural front line against a Trump administration, it will do even better internationally.
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 21, 2016 5:31:42 GMT
www.vulture.com/2016/11/why-the-hamilton-pence-incident-matters.htmlYou can do two things if you’re on a stage: Show or tell. There are those who feel Hamilton should have stuck with the first; instead, the cast and production team chose, for one night, to do both. While this is going to be a very long and ugly fight, I'd award them a narrow victory-by-decision in Culture Wars, Round One. They saw an extraordinary circumstance looming before them, they stood up, they represented themselves and others with firmness and dignity, and they sparked plenty of meaningful, non-distracting dialogue by doing so. Chances to speak truth directly to power, even when power turns its back and starts walking up the aisle, may be rarer than we would wish in the next four years. When the opportunity comes along, there’s much to be said for not throwing away your shot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 7:33:29 GMT
From Kim Exum, who is currently playing Nabulungi in The Book of Mormon on Broadway, addressing the nature of entertainment: She can't be serious? I agree that they can do a lot more than entertain. But yes, they are there to entertain us. If we pay for tickets, you can't seriously say you're not there to entertain us? "I can make the earth move just by walking into a room. I can make you swoon with a smile." Come on. She thinks to highly of herself, however talented she may be. And I don't know how talented she is because I've never heard of her. But it's gonna take a lot more than a smile to make me swoon. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 21, 2016 8:21:29 GMT
She's "addressed it". So we can all sleep nights now.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 9:03:43 GMT
From Kim Exum, who is currently playing Nabulungi in The Book of Mormon on Broadway, addressing the nature of entertainment: She can't be serious? I agree that they can do a lot more than entertain. But yes, they are there to entertain us. If we pay for tickets, you can't seriously say you're not there to entertain us? "I can make the earth move just by walking into a room. I can make you swoon with a smile." Come on. She thinks to highly of herself, however talented she may be. And I don't know how talented she is because I've never heard of her. But it's gonna take a lot more than a smile to make me swoon. It's hilarious. She didn't go to college to learn how to entertain, and clearly she didn't go to learn diplomacy either. Because I'm pretty sure telling paying punters 'I'm better than you, so shut up and listen' isn't something they'd advise you to do at acting school if you want a career of any longevity! |
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Post by johartuk on Nov 21, 2016 12:24:49 GMT
Kim Exum's post reads like a spoof, which I hope it is (and if you read it as a comedy piece, it's actually pretty funny), because I'd hate to think that anyone could really be that up themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 12:53:10 GMT
Kim Exum's post reads like a spoof, which I hope it is (and if you read it as a comedy piece, it's actually pretty funny), because I'd hate to think that anyone could really be that up themselves. I really thought it was a joke at first, but I was expecting her to acknowledge that it was a joke by the end of the post, but she didn't. So now I think she was being serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 13:14:49 GMT
Kim Exum's post reads like a spoof, which I hope it is (and if you read it as a comedy piece, it's actually pretty funny), because I'd hate to think that anyone could really be that up themselves. Let's hope so! I had to read it about three times to get any sense out of it, I must admit. That last sentence is just plain weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 13:52:39 GMT
Kim Exum's post reads like a spoof, which I hope it is (and if you read it as a comedy piece, it's actually pretty funny), because I'd hate to think that anyone could really be that up themselves. Let's hope so! I had to read it about three times to get any sense out of it, I must admit. That last sentence is just plain weird. I still don't know what that last sentence is supposed to mean. |
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 21, 2016 15:23:26 GMT
From Kim Exum, who is currently playing Nabulungi in The Book of Mormon on Broadway, addressing the nature of entertainment: She can't be serious? I agree that they can do a lot more than entertain. But yes, they are there to entertain us. If we pay for tickets, you can't seriously say you're not there to entertain us? "I can make the earth move just by walking into a room. I can make you swoon with a smile." Come on. She thinks to highly of herself, however talented she may be. And I don't know how talented she is because I've never heard of her. But it's gonna take a lot more than a smile to make me swoon. Entertainment always has an element of surprise. It's not like going to a show means you have your own personal cast of court jesters. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 15:28:13 GMT
She can't be serious? I agree that they can do a lot more than entertain. But yes, they are there to entertain us. If we pay for tickets, you can't seriously say you're not there to entertain us? "I can make the earth move just by walking into a room. I can make you swoon with a smile." Come on. She thinks to highly of herself, however talented she may be. And I don't know how talented she is because I've never heard of her. But it's gonna take a lot more than a smile to make me swoon. Entertainment always has an element of surprise. It's not like going to a show means you have your own personal cast of court jesters. Who said anything about personal court jesters? This lady is almost denying that their performances are meant to be entertaining. She seems to think the whole world revolves around her. |
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 21, 2016 16:19:08 GMT
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Post by ali973 on Nov 21, 2016 16:55:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:13:47 GMT
Lovely! Seems like the theatre community as a whole is rallying around Hamilton. Loved this from Idina at the American Music Awards last night too: |
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Post by ali973 on Nov 21, 2016 17:24:36 GMT
umm..why is Idina presenting best country album lol
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 21, 2016 17:29:49 GMT
About the Chicago incident: www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/hamilton/ct-disruption-at-chicago-hamilton-20161120-column.htmlTribune reporter Jodi Cohen, who was seated in the dress circle at the performance, said that the disruption from the man above lasted for two songs. Cohen also said that the "Hamilton" actors seemed strikingly somber during the bows at the end of the show.
Hayes said that the man appeared to be intoxicated, shouted "We won" among other things, and was resistant after being asked to leave. She said he finally was ushered out by Broadway in Chicago staffers.
Other audience members took to social media to describe the incident; there were reports of hostile exchanges between the patron and other audience members before he was removed. Broadway in Chicago has not commented on what happened at its theater.
John Palmer, 56, of the 100 block of East Illinois Street, was charged with misdemeanor trespass to land after he refused to leave when asked to by staff, according to police.
Palmer had caused a disturbance about 9:30 p.m. at a live theater performance in the first block of West Monroe Street, according to police spokesman Officer Kevin Quaid. When he refused to leave, he was detained by theater staff until police arrived, Quaid said. |
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Post by ali973 on Nov 21, 2016 17:31:51 GMT
Crazy. But I hear the Chicago company is fabulous! Can't wait to see that cast next month!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:00:07 GMT
Why do you call people who have a different opinion delicate souls? Are you trying to make up for something by attempting to insult other people? |
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Post by mallardo on Nov 21, 2016 19:02:15 GMT
pointone, I'm beginning to understand why your so-called collaborators on your so-called musical are keeping their distance from you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 19:31:25 GMT
pointone, I'm beginning to understand why your so-called collaborators on your so-called musical are keeping their distance from you. Haha, you're hilarious. What a strong argument that is so related to this topic. You must be really proud of yourself. But hey, you're still welcome to come see my show. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 19:36:22 GMT
Pointone's response is fair. People should be free to disagree with the prevailing view without being labelled 'delicate'. I let one insult pass yesterday because frankly I didn't need the argument (and I respect that the person posting has personal reasons to be particularly invested in their opinion).
But this is getting rather silly now. I don't think anyone here has said Trump and Pence are great guys. There is a simple disagreement on whether this was the right forum for the speech to be made. That doesn't make anyone a bad person, and posting any number of links to any number of articles will make neither my opinion, nor anyone else's, correct. It's just opinion. Let's try to keep it respectful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 19:41:05 GMT
Pointone's response is fair. People should be free to disagree with the prevailing view without being labelled 'delicate'. I let one insult pass yesterday because frankly I didn't need the argument (and I respect that the person posting has personal reasons to be particularly invested in their opinion). But this is getting rather silly now. I don't think anyone here has said Trump and Pence are great guys. There is a simple disagreement on whether this was the right forum for the speech to be made. That doesn't make anyone a bad person, and posting any number of links to any number of articles will make neither my opinion, nor anyone else's, correct. It's just opinion. Let's try to keep it respectful. That's just the way things go. They get to say whatever they want, but when you respond then you're the bad guy and they start bringing up completely unrelated issues to try and win the argument. |
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