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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 13:47:11 GMT
Only in this particular case, almost half the country voted for the people they're going after. I'm in a hurry to class so I'm reading quickly and maybe I don't fully understand- but I thought your point was not to ruin an audience member's evening? and I gave a counter point to show it;s not the theatre's job to satysfy everyone once the actors took their bows..? And you never said anything about how much people outside of the theatre would be against what was said? And by that logic, wouldn't more than half the country have voted against everything that guy (Pence )stands for? therefor would be behind Ham 100%? maybe I don't understand, sorry... Don't drag the audience into a political mess is my point. Even though yes, there is a hint of politics to a gay proposal or fundraising for AIDS research, they don't drag the audience back into that poisonous political atmosphere that has been surrounding the US lately. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 20, 2016 13:51:12 GMT
I know, we have to decide, is this a 1 way street or a 2 way street. We can't be hypocrites about this. The cast started crossing the line, so they can expect that reaction back. In my opinion, there shouldn't be a street at all. I agree, but the cast seems to disagree. So I gues next week we can all stand up during curtain call and call out an actor of choice and start a public speech about his beliefs and how much you hope that actor enjoyed our attendance and thank him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 13:52:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 13:55:02 GMT
Only in this particular case, almost half the country voted for the people they're going after. No. Less than half of the people who voted, in an election with a low turn-out of eligible voters, in a country which also has a lot of residents who are ineligible to vote. The actual number is closer to 19% of the country voting for the people they're going after. The vile, inexperienced, bigoted people who are indirectly through their policies going to hurt and kill a LOT of people over the next four years. I have NO sympathy for Trump or Pence being made to feel uncomfortable for a couple of hours, and I'm frankly astonished that people genuinely consider this polite, considered, thoroughly civil statement to be an act of *bullying*. JFC. The statement itself is clearly not bullying. But the situation in which it was delivered could certainly be called that. |
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Post by ShoesForRent on Nov 20, 2016 13:57:41 GMT
I'm in a hurry to class so I'm reading quickly and maybe I don't fully understand- but I thought your point was not to ruin an audience member's evening? and I gave a counter point to show it;s not the theatre's job to satysfy everyone once the actors took their bows..? And you never said anything about how much people outside of the theatre would be against what was said? And by that logic, wouldn't more than half the country have voted against everything that guy (Pence )stands for? therefor would be behind Ham 100%? maybe I don't understand, sorry... Don't drag the audience into a political mess is my point. Even though yes, there is a hint of politics to a gay proposal or fundraising for AIDS research, they don't drag the audience back into that poisonous political atmosphere that has been surrounding the US lately. Then we're living in different realities because a homophobic/ trouble getting HIV medication/ sexist/ racist world is a reality that surrounds me and others constantly, we LIVE in a poisenous pollitical wirld 24/7, and some just get to forget this now and again- the people on that stage dont get to forget this political reality. And Trumps kind of politics have been around since forever- they're just now in reign, and people are scared. All I saw was a group of people pleading with a public individual (who has time and again belittled their kind) to rule the country on behalf of them too and to look out for their interest as well. They did this with grace and respect. I cant think of another place they would have gotten the opportunity to do that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 13:58:57 GMT
Well I think anyone who boos during a show (whether it's at an audience member or the cast) is disrespectful to everyone in the room and if that did happen, I'm not surprised the cast called them out. I just think the time for rules and regulations in regards to speaking out against bigotry has gone now. He has been elected, people are going to see consequences and they need to do everything they can, wherever they can. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 14:09:31 GMT
Well I think anyone who boos during a show (whether it's at an audience member or the cast) is disrespectful to everyone in the room and if that did happen, I'm not surprised the cast called them out. I just think the time for rules and regulations in regards to speaking out against bigotry has gone now. He has been elected, people are going to see consequences and they need to do everything they can, wherever they can. Absolutely fair enough. I too think bigotry should be challenged. I just think those doing the challenging have to get smarter about how they do it, so that their verbal blows actually land - rather than leaving them open to attack themselves and thus diluting the message. And now I have exams to study for, so I must gracefully bow out. Nice debating you all though - if only right and left in the wider world were as accommodating! :-) |
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Post by vdcni on Nov 20, 2016 14:12:39 GMT
In my opinion, there shouldn't be a street at all. I agree, but the cast seems to disagree. So I gues next week we can all stand up during curtain call and call out an actor of choice and start a public speech about his beliefs and how much you hope that actor enjoyed our attendance and thank him. Why not. As long as it's done in a respectful way. They might not hang around to hear it but I doubt anyone will be traumatised or have their night ruined despite what some people on this thread might try to claim Maybe you can speak against the Trump administrations plans to pass a law that might lead to Muslims having to go on a register or one that turns gay and lesbian Americans into second class citizens but clearly the potential hurt feelings of a New York theatre audience are much more important to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 14:58:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 15:30:32 GMT
I agree, but the cast seems to disagree. So I gues next week we can all stand up during curtain call and call out an actor of choice and start a public speech about his beliefs and how much you hope that actor enjoyed our attendance and thank him. Why not. As long as it's done in a respectful way. Because that's not why many people go to the theatre. We don't need politics in every single aspect of our lives. |
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Post by vdcni on Nov 20, 2016 15:46:51 GMT
Why not. As long as it's done in a respectful way. Because that's not why many people go to the theatre. We don't need politics in every single aspect of our lives. Good thing I wasn't the one threatening to then. I'm also not the one massively overreacting to a polite and respectful statement at a time when white nationalists are being appointed to the future presidents staff. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 16:25:41 GMT
Abraham Lincoln got shot dead at the theatre.
Not a safe place. Never was.
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 16:32:47 GMT
Yes because a drunk objecting to a positive lyric about immigrants in the middle of the show and not even involving the same cast is the same as a dignified plea for acceptance at the end of the show. False equivalence in action once again. Maybe you should try and empathise with the people who have experienced physical violence at the hands of Trumps supporters or those gay teens who went through electro shock therapy rather than people hearing a few words they may or may not have liked. Right. Also... please remember that in Hamilton, 95% of the cast is non-white or of mixed background. Many of them are not straight. Also remember that the current King George on Broadway is a co-founder of Broadway Impact, a non-profit advocating marriage equality. I won't say that what's going on is affecting them MORE, but considering the high profile nature of the show, the makeup of its cast, and current events, it wasn't like nothing was going to happen. What's going on is very much affecting all of them. What's it like to not think every day that you could be a victim of a hate crime and then, with the looming new administration, you suddenly think about it every day? Even if you live and work in an open-minded, diverse area? It sucks. Let me tell you, as someone in that position, IT SUCKS.
The drunk asshole who had to be removed from the production in Chicago yesterday likely bought his tickets months and months ago... and then had this whole debacle stewing in his mind for the 30 or so hours before he was going to attend a performance he was looking forward to (or being dragged to by whoever he was going with). Maybe he knew about that line. Maybe he didn't. I knew someone was going to do the "well Hamilton deserved it"/"well what did Hamilton THINK would happen." I was just hoping it wouldn't be someone here. I thought maybe you were all a little better than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 16:37:04 GMT
Camelot defined JFK's term - 'one brief shining moment', looks like Hamilton may well define Trump's.
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 16:42:58 GMT
For levity... If you've never heard of Mo Rocca, he's a TV personality who does those sort of quirky/smart news segments; he's also an actor (I saw him in Spelling Bee on Broadway), and sometimes appears on an NPR quiz show Wait Wait Don't Tell Me. Edited to add: More useful link www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pence-idUSKBN13F0Q2? |
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 17:11:51 GMT
Oh, look! A fun series of tweets that's a Venn diagram of fun stuff covered in this thread!
(I'm only linking to the first one; click through for the rest.)
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Post by dan on Nov 20, 2016 17:23:32 GMT
What scares me is people referring to what was said as political views. To want to be safe and tolerated in your own country is apparently a political view? 😔
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 17:48:13 GMT
What scares me is people referring to what was said as political views. To want to be safe and tolerated in your own country is apparently a political view? 😔 No kidding. Please think of it this way when you're saying you don't want politics in your theatre when in this particular instance, not only is it the biggest show on Broadway, is about American politics, has a great deal of non-straight, non-white people in it, but whose current star is an HIV-positive gay man and let's just say Pence has had a crappy track record with that demographic. |
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Post by foxa on Nov 20, 2016 17:58:48 GMT
I think the cast felt they couldn't throw away their shot.
This was a chance to say something and they did - respectfully (and to give Pence his due his interview back was fairly respectful too:
To people in the audience who didn't like it - that's a shame, but theatre often throws up things you don't like (coughers, drunks, slurpers) - the beauty of theatre is the unexpected. Me, I would have loved to have been there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:02:30 GMT
Because that's not why many people go to the theatre. We don't need politics in every single aspect of our lives. Good thing I wasn't the one threatening to then. I'm also not the one massively overreacting to a polite and respectful statement at a time when white nationalists are being appointed to the future presidents staff. Let's find out who is then |
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Post by lynette on Nov 20, 2016 18:21:08 GMT
Not quite the raised black gloved salute at the Olympics but a moment that might be remembered.
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 18:24:02 GMT
From Kim Exum, who is currently playing Nabulungi in The Book of Mormon on Broadway, addressing the nature of entertainment: |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 18:31:05 GMT
And honestly I could buy the 'the audience wants escapism from politics' narrative if they went to see The Lion King or Matilda. But saying you want escapism from politics when you go and see Hamilton is like saying 'I'm going to see Wicked because I want escapism from the colour green.'
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 18:43:31 GMT
And honestly I could buy the 'the audience wants escapism from politics' narrative if they went to see The Lion King or Matilda. But saying you want escapism from politics when you go and see Hamilton is like saying 'I'm going to see Wicked because I want escapism from the colour green.' This is the hardest I have laughed ALL DAY. (Granted, it's only 1:43 p.m. here.) Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 20:11:22 GMT
I don't trust Pence an inch, but his response is much classier than Trump's, and many of ours if we're being strictly honest.  |
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