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Post by ali973 on Oct 11, 2016 6:10:30 GMT
hmm...okay, so by now everyone might know that I'm the race police around here.. but if she just covered it as a standalone song, honestly there's no cause for offense.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Oct 11, 2016 7:14:05 GMT
Hope not to offend anyone, but I agree with her. A white person who sings I know where I've Been is offensive, but I don't think we should impose race to random songs about love/loss/whatever. The character's not expressing something that her experience and life as a poc has shaped, she's just saying that her husband is a bastard... A very universal and relatable thought. "Make Them Hear You" is a song that no white dude should never sing, but "burn"?
Besides, I think she got the rights to sing that song?
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Oct 11, 2016 7:18:29 GMT
Carrie does this once in a while, publicly overreact to some minor criticism so her legions of fans can massage her ego for her. When I looked I only found 2 twitter users reacting negatively to her singing the song, but now she has thousands of twees going "omg we  u Carrie best singer ever you should def play Eliza" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 7:34:12 GMT
I can well imagine some of the youtube audience sending he 'hate' (as the kids say) there's nothing certain internet demographics like more than to be OUTRAGED by something and attack the nearest person, even if said person was either doing nothing wrong or didn't know it was wrong.
Personally I think she was correct originally, that Burn is a song on a universal theme and while it isn't in keeping with the ethos/spirit of Hamilton to have Eliza played by a white person, it's defiantly a song that I don't see a problem with people covering as a stand alone.
I'm not saying there's NOT attention seeking maybe, but actually knowing the tumblr/youtube audience she has, it's likely there was some pretty horrid MORAL OUTRAGE thrown at her for no good reason. Other than these types of internet dwellers need something to be outraged about and someone to direct it at...
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 11, 2016 7:41:13 GMT
Shes an attention seeking madam.
You put yourself out there on twitter to be admired and worshipped- you gotta take the haters giving you a slice of reality too surely?
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Post by ali973 on Oct 11, 2016 8:19:56 GMT
This is not the first time she does something like this. In fact, I was having an offline conversation with a forum member about her and my pal's reaction was "isn't she the girl that normally has outbursts on Twitter?".
Yes, that would be her.
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Post by CG on the loose on Oct 11, 2016 8:55:35 GMT
I can well imagine some of the youtube audience sending he 'hate' (as the kids say) there's nothing certain internet demographics like more than to be OUTRAGED by something and attack the nearest person, even if said person was either doing nothing wrong or didn't know it was wrong. Personally I think she was correct originally, that Burn is a song on a universal theme and while it isn't in keeping with the ethos/spirit of Hamilton to have Eliza played by a white person, it's defiantly a song that I don't see a problem with people covering as a stand alone. I'm not saying there's NOT attention seeking maybe, but actually knowing the tumblr/youtube audience she has, it's likely there was some pretty horrid MORAL OUTRAGE thrown at her for no good reason. Other than these types of internet dwellers need something to be outraged about and someone to direct it at... All of the above, and for the record, I did see some of the YouTube reaction before she de-listed the vid and it was indeed pretty vitriolic. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 9:00:42 GMT
Ah there we go...I didn't watch that video so missed the comments, but I can indeed imagine.
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Post by Dave25 on Oct 11, 2016 10:22:47 GMT
hmm...okay, so by now everyone might know that I'm the race police around here.. but if she just covered it as a standalone song, honestly there's no cause for offense. There should never be offense in a fan singing a song from her favourite show. What these people are doing is extreme ethnic profiling and it goes too far. And that is a pity. Because in my opinion it is the main thing that keeps racism intact. I would never ever judge someone on race. This youtube poster actually is the victim of racism. Just let her be. Stop thinking in race, especially on occasions where it really does not matter. In the last season of "top model" here on tv, there were 10 girls. No one ever mentioned the fact that one of the girls was black. She was a top contender and one of my favourites. Nobody ever mentioned anything about her race. Except, she did it herself all the time. Complaining about how she couldn't do a photoshoot with lions and giraffes in the zoo because 'i am african american" and people like us don't do that. A week later there was a photoshoot in a forest "i can't do that because I don't want to contribute to the saying "forest n****". In all the interviews, she constantly mentioned it, why are you going to win? Because I'm African American and I want to be an example. Ehm, no other qualities? It is really difficult to see you as a person, when your whole life is just about ethnic profiling. In the end, she was impossible to work with and was sent home. Nobody ever mentioned anything about her race, except she. Of course she found it racist when she was sent home, but I think she is the true racist. She judges herself and others on race. We should definitely be aware of this. Ethnic profiling is harmful. We are people. |
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Post by Dave25 on Oct 11, 2016 10:27:56 GMT
All of the above, and for the record, I did see some of the YouTube reaction before she de-listed the vid and it was indeed pretty vitriolic. That is just horrible. I don't know this woman, but this is wrong per definition. |
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Post by ShoesForRent on Oct 11, 2016 10:45:14 GMT
I saw no comments directed at her or the cover (other than it being lifeless lol), only her fans commenting "omg i hope you play Eliza/ you should be cast in ldn Hamilton" and people correcting them (quite politely) saying its not a role Carrie should play as it's written for POC. Nothing aimed at her covering the song...
She just loves the attention she's getting from these kind of twitter rants- look at the dozens of tweets shes favorited since- all praising her to the high heavens.
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Post by CG on the loose on Oct 11, 2016 10:50:29 GMT
Yes, I saw the polite corrections, but some much stronger comments too (on YT not Twitter). But I agree, it seems no attention is bad attention...
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Post by Michael on Oct 11, 2016 10:54:43 GMT
Gosh, I do wonder how I could turn 32 without even having a Twitter account.
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Post by ali973 on Oct 11, 2016 11:00:38 GMT
Dave25, I don't want to delve into the world of Top Model politics and was said and what wasn't. There is no harm in discussing race politics publicly (and in fact, the harm in silencing it). The black model shared her experiences because they are true and unique of POC, that white models, actors, or individuals may not relate to because their color isn't a subject or a struggle. I don't think minorities experiences should be silenced because they make people feel uncomfortable or compromise their fragility.
You say that it's hard to see someone as an individual if all they talk about is ethnic profiling. Clearly her life IS all about being ethnically profiled.
Back to Carrie Hope (AND MUSICALS!)..she's actually going to be playing Eponine in Dubai opposite John Owen-Jones, Hayden Tee and Rachelle Ann Go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 11:10:11 GMT
Agree with everyone, I'm more offended by Carrie's mum butchering Eliza's name.
'The Scheduler Sisters' doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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Post by ali973 on Oct 11, 2016 12:30:05 GMT
Oh. My. God.
Take a seat, Carrie's mom.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Oct 11, 2016 12:44:57 GMT
Here is the unlisted link btw (thanks carries mum)
I honestly cannot find a-n-y offensive/shaming comment directed at her in my brief scroll
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Post by CG on the loose on Oct 11, 2016 13:00:27 GMT
No wish to argue, but I'm really not in the habit of making things up and rarely hallucinate, so maybe some comments have been deleted! Glad the mood is now supportive as I genuinely don't think she anything to be sorry about here.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Oct 11, 2016 13:10:21 GMT
No wish to argue, but I'm really not in the habit of making things up and rarely hallucinate, so maybe some comments have been deleted! Glad the mood is now supportive as I genuinely don't think she anything to be sorry about here. I am in no way saying you're making things up- not at all. All Im saying is she's blowing it out of proportions to gain sympathies on twitter- as she does periodically. Perhaps there were comments that are now deleted. |
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Post by johartuk on Oct 11, 2016 13:29:50 GMT
I agree. It's ridiculous! People need to get a grip - it's just someone singing a song from a popular musical (and being a popular musical, it's no surprise that MT performers will want to perform songs from it, just as they perform songs from Wicked, Phantom, Les Mis, etc). Nothing offensive and no offence meant, as far as I can see.
I do think that it's a good idea to actually read the lyrics when choosing a song, whether it be for a performance, music for a TV drama soundtrack, a TV ad or a youtube vid, because you can easily end up making a mistake. TV ads are particularly bad for using songs chosen by advertising bods who obviously haven't bothered to listen to the whole song or done any research on the song/performer/writer - at the moment there's an ad for some car insurance company using a T-Rex song!
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Post by talkstageytome on Oct 11, 2016 13:42:31 GMT
Of course Carrie isn't right for a role in the show, however I do think some of the youtube/twitter commenters got out of hand. She was only singing a cover of a song she liked, not campaigning for the role. And as has already been said, the song is not specific to race, it's about an untrustworthy husband, a more universal subject.
However, I saw this same discussion on a facebook theatre fanpage and watching people not only defend Carrie but go above and beyond to suggest she should play the role in the show itself was quite frankly mind boggling to watch.
People calling themselves fans of the show and then refuting one of its main messages - that of diversity in casting.
Tens of people saying the same this as the above tweet 'the real Eliza was white though sooo...' etc. etc. As if Eliza Schuyler herself wrote and performed this song first. One hilarious comment went something like 'Elphaba is green, but anyone is aloud to sing her song...' yeah, because real life green witches don't actually exist. Some people were going to the ends of the earth to argue why Carrie should be able to play the role in London, and it was so embarrassing to witness.
In other words, I'm so happy I'm a part of this forum. It's nice to be able to discuss with people who actually have an understanding of context, controversies and other issues.
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Post by Dave25 on Oct 11, 2016 14:45:04 GMT
Dave25, I don't want to delve into the world of Top Model politics and was said and what wasn't. There is no harm in discussing race politics publicly (and in fact, the harm in silencing it). The black model shared her experiences because they are true and unique of POC, that white models, actors, or individuals may not relate to because their color isn't a subject or a struggle. I don't think minorities experiences should be silenced because they make people feel uncomfortable or compromise their fragility. You say that it's hard to see someone as an individual if all they talk about is ethnic profiling. Clearly her life IS all about being ethnically profiled. Back to Carrie Hope (AND MUSICALS!)..she's actually going to be playing Eponine in Dubai opposite John Owen-Jones, Hayden Tee and Rachelle Ann Go. In any case, everyone else was seeing her as a person in the race, except herself. She chose to put herself out of everything because of the reason: race. Now, it could very well be that her life (identity) is only about that, but then some serious changes need to be made in upbringing values and standards. She probably heard nothing else at home since the day she was born. But what kind of reaction can you expect from the world if you behave like that? The key lies in stopping ethnic profiling (starts in upbringing). Teach your children that they are a full person first and foremost. And even if that goes wrong. Ethnic profiling at a later age is always a choice. An action, which will cause a reaction. And I know it's not a 1 way street, but I can name countless of examples where it seems like one. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Oct 11, 2016 15:03:04 GMT
The "I don't see colours, I see people" argument always makes me cringe. It's just another way to deny someone's heritage.
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Post by Dave25 on Oct 11, 2016 15:14:28 GMT
The "I don't see colours, I see people" argument always makes me cringe. It's just another way to deny someone's heritage. Every person has a heritage. There is nothing to deny. The problem lies in denying being more than colour. Which results in bringing it up at the most inappropriate moments and putting yourself outside of a group of people constantly. |
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Post by primitivewallflower on Oct 11, 2016 21:33:41 GMT
Of course Carrie isn't right for a role in the show, however I do think some of the youtube/twitter commenters got out of hand. She was only singing a cover of a song she liked, not campaigning for the role. And as has already been said, the song is not specific to race, it's about an untrustworthy husband, a more universal subject. However, I saw this same discussion on a facebook theatre fanpage and watching people not only defend Carrie but go above and beyond to suggest she should play the role in the show itself was quite frankly mind boggling to watch. People calling themselves fans of the show and then refuting one of its main messages - that of diversity in casting. Tens of people saying the same this as the above tweet 'the real Eliza was white though sooo...' etc. etc. As if Eliza Schuyler herself wrote and performed this song first. One hilarious comment went something like 'Elphaba is green, but anyone is aloud to sing her song...' yeah, because real life green witches don't actually exist. Some people were going to the ends of the earth to argue why Carrie should be able to play the role in London, and it was so embarrassing to witness. In other words, I'm so happy I'm a part of this forum. It's nice to be able to discuss with people who actually have an understanding of context, controversies and other issues. Well said. "Strict on casting, permissive on fandom" seems like the right balance here. |
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u Carrie best singer ever you should def play Eliza"
