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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 14, 2022 14:05:00 GMT
When she was scanning the room to select journalists for questions it was pure comedy gold.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 14, 2022 14:09:15 GMT
Well, I hope James Graham is taking notes.
Surely it’ll be a farce.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 14:28:01 GMT
When she was scanning the room to select journalists for questions it was pure comedy gold.
Is someone, somewhere, pounding the keyboards and writing U-Turn: The Musical?
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Post by alece10 on Oct 14, 2022 14:30:22 GMT
When she was scanning the room to select journalists for questions it was pure comedy gold. N And she sounded so robotic. No feeling whatsoever.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 14, 2022 14:37:02 GMT
Regardless of one’s political leanings (I consider myself fiscally centre-right, socially liberal) this is an absolute disaster of a government. People love to throw around hyperbole, and I’m no different, so I’m going to say this is the worst government in living memory.
Which is an astonishing “achievement” given the previous government’s war in Iraq.
Not even conservatives could defend this omnishambles.
Save us!!!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2022 14:37:17 GMT
I struggle to see how Truss can remain as PM. If we do get another PM then I can't see it working without a general election. #strongandstable I see she's called a press conference this afternoon. Surely that wouldn't be necessary unless she has something else, like, hypothetically speaking, her own resignation, to announce. Oh, just seen. Then laughed. Then laughed some more. Jeremy Hunt as Chancellor. Going to be Johnson managing till the end of the season
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 14, 2022 14:53:06 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2022 15:13:42 GMT
Regardless of one’s political leanings (I consider myself fiscally centre-right, socially liberal) this is an absolute disaster of a government. People love to throw around hyperbole, and I’m no different, so I’m going to say this is the worst government in living memory. Which is an astonishing “achievement” given the previous government’s war in Iraq. Not even conservatives could defend this omnishambles. Save us!!! You got war in Iraq as worse than Johnson's lies?
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Post by inthenose on Oct 14, 2022 18:06:37 GMT
Regardless of one’s political leanings (I consider myself fiscally centre-right, socially liberal) this is an absolute disaster of a government. People love to throw around hyperbole, and I’m no different, so I’m going to say this is the worst government in living memory. Which is an astonishing “achievement” given the previous government’s war in Iraq. Not even conservatives could defend this omnishambles. Save us!!! You got war in Iraq as worse than Johnson's lies? Nah, I am not partisan, I vote for which party I think is best for the country/constituency. Johnson was horrific, so was our decision to go to war. One doesn’t negate the other.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 14, 2022 18:45:51 GMT
It's time for a National Government. No election. Just two years of politicians working together not fighting.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2022 21:40:41 GMT
It's time for a National Government. No election. Just two years of politicians working together not fighting. She’s only got to call a general election
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2022 21:42:17 GMT
You got war in Iraq as worse than Johnson's lies? Nah, I am not partisan, I vote for which party I think is best for the country/constituency. Johnson was horrific, so was our decision to go to war. One doesn’t negate the other. Just surprised me you would jump passed the Johnson regime and it’s ills really
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 14, 2022 21:44:27 GMT
It's time for a National Government. No election. Just two years of politicians working together not fighting. She’s only got to call a general election That just isn't going to happen. So a national government is the only viable solution
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Post by vdcni on Oct 14, 2022 21:47:25 GMT
There's absolutely no justification for a national goverment.
If the Conservatives can't govern they have to go to the country.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 14, 2022 22:09:10 GMT
No party with their current opinion poll showing is going to call an election unless they are forced to by losing a vote of no confidence in Parliament. And that is not going to happen no matter how much you might wish it.
A national government could be established to see the country through the current global turmoil.
Indeed we probably should have considered it at the start of COVID.
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Post by Jon on Oct 14, 2022 22:29:38 GMT
The chances of a National Government are absolutely zero.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2022 5:54:58 GMT
And no opposition party in their right mind would join a national government with a party who's own policies have significantly contributed to the crisis.
I don't see how you can think it's acceptable for the Conservatives to prioritise the party over the good of the country but expect Labour to do the exact opposite.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 15, 2022 7:30:00 GMT
No party with their current opinion poll showing is going to call an election unless they are forced to by losing a vote of no confidence in Parliament. And that is not going to happen no matter how much you might wish it. A national government could be established to see the country through the current global turmoil. Indeed we probably should have considered it at the start of COVID. More reasons to get Johnson back. He is a skilled winner of elections but it is his mandate so unlike any new leader he won’t have to go to the country.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 15, 2022 7:37:00 GMT
And no opposition party in their right mind would join a national government with a party who's own policies have significantly contributed to the crisis. I don't see how you can think it's acceptable for the Conservatives to prioritise the party over the good of the country but expect Labour to do the exact opposite. Because a National Government isn't the Conservatives putting party first. It would be them saying we need to all put party aside for the good of the nation. 4 to 6 weeks of an election campaign would be an unacceptable delay in getting on with finding real solutions. It would be more fighting and mud slinging. The need now is for collegiate behaviour, for meaningful compromise, for listening not shouting. I know it is an old fashioned solution. But politics on all sides is screwed up. Suspend the rhetoric and focus on finding agreed solutions would be a huge step forward. There is no doubt in my mind that the Tories will lose the next election. So this wouldn't save them. But not getting in with steering the country through these tricky times until January is not an option.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2022 8:42:11 GMT
This isn't a war where all sides would basically agree on the direction of travel. There is a fundamental ideological disagreement on how to handle things.
And after months of pointing out how incompetent this goverment is and with the polls showing they are wildly unpopular it wouldn't make any sense for Labour to then sit beside them in government. The sense of betrayal would be off the scale.
And a quick election would be fine right now, certainly more so than the latest plotting to install Sunak and Mourdant.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2022 9:20:25 GMT
And no opposition party in their right mind would join a national government with a party who's own policies have significantly contributed to the crisis. I don't see how you can think it's acceptable for the Conservatives to prioritise the party over the good of the country but expect Labour to do the exact opposite. Because a National Government isn't the Conservatives putting party first. It would be them saying we need to all put party aside for the good of the nation. 4 to 6 weeks of an election campaign would be an unacceptable delay in getting on with finding real solutions. It would be more fighting and mud slinging. The need now is for collegiate behaviour, for meaningful compromise, for listening not shouting. I know it is an old fashioned solution. But politics on all sides is screwed up. Suspend the rhetoric and focus on finding agreed solutions would be a huge step forward. There is no doubt in my mind that the Tories will lose the next election. So this wouldn't save them. But not getting in with steering the country through these tricky times until January is not an option. They've steered us directly into these times, what makes you think they'll suddenly change tack and steer us out? The country can't take this omnishambles for another two months let alone two years.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 15, 2022 10:13:43 GMT
It's time for a National Government. No election. Just two years of politicians working together not fighting. I've already seen reports of Tory MPs discussing the possibility of a Government of National Unity. Unfortunately when I saw the names being suggested as being in such a government, it was clear what they were thinking of was a Government of Tory Unity.
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Post by jojo on Oct 15, 2022 10:53:57 GMT
This isn't a war where all sides would basically agree on the direction of travel. There is a fundamental ideological disagreement on how to handle things. And after months of pointing out how incompetent this goverment is and with the polls showing they are wildly unpopular it wouldn't make any sense for Labour to then sit beside them in government. The sense of betrayal would be off the scale. And a quick election would be fine right now, certainly more so than the latest plotting to install Sunak and Mourdant. Agreed. There are some issues where mainstream parties overlap enough to be able to work together, on goals if not on tactics. A foreign war and even the general approach to COVID could be ones where it's practical to work together for a limited time. A government of national unity wasn't entirely ridiculous for sorting an approach to Brexit, because there was arguably as much variance within parties as there was between parties. The arithmetic could have worked if Corbyn hadn't been vain enough to insist only he could lead it. But there's no hope now. There Tories have too big a majority and while there is a lot of variance of opinion within parties, there is clear daylight between parties on overall direction and dealing with the economy is a core part of being in government for every government. I'm not sure what to make of Hunt. He's a mediocre intellect, but not totally bonkers, which puts him ahead of some of them. But he's got a mean streak and a reputation for dodging scrutiny and misusing figures. Unfortunately, that's accepted as normal these days. He seems to be the Health Secretary that NHS staff hated the most and unsurprisingly has links to private health care. He's obsessed with finding 'efficiencies' and was the Health Secretary who ignored the recommendations of a pandemic stress test to stock up on PPE and ventilators etc.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2022 12:15:16 GMT
Now Therese Coffey has waded in with the ridiculous, not to mention highly dangerous, notion that pharmacists will be able to give out antibiotics without the patient first going to a GP. She then openly admits to breaking the law by sharing her medication with friends and family. I'm genuinely running out of expletives and exhalations of exasperation for this Government. They've gone so far below the bottom of the barrel I don't know what else they can do. They will, though. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chemists-to-prescribe-antibiotics-under-coffey-health-plan-gjvfnb6q5
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Post by emsworthian on Oct 15, 2022 13:37:51 GMT
Now Therese Coffey has waded in with the ridiculous, not to mention highly dangerous, notion that pharmacists will be able to give out antibiotics without the patient first going to a GP. She then openly admits to breaking the law by sharing her medication with friends and family. I'm genuinely running out of expletives and exhalations of exasperation for this Government. They've gone so far below the bottom of the barrel I don't know what else they can do. They will, though. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chemists-to-prescribe-antibiotics-under-coffey-health-plan-gjvfnb6q5Whenever I've been prescribed antibiotics, the doctor has stressed the need to complete the course and not to stop taking them when I feel better. I am not a medical expert but it seems to me that you can't just take a couple and expect them to work.
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