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Post by Jon on Oct 3, 2022 18:58:00 GMT
If London couldn't get behind it, what makes ALW think NY will appreciate it. This isn't like School of Rock which had a very strong foundation for a show.
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Post by anthem on Oct 3, 2022 19:45:23 GMT
Carrie Hope Fletcher is already liking tweets being snarky about the show so safe to say she was never going over. Classy. Shame she can't support the new Cinderella, whatever her personal experience was. I think they’re perfectly entitled to like whatever tweets they wish. The cast were treated dreadfully, do you expect them to just smile through it? |
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Post by dinah on Oct 3, 2022 19:56:48 GMT
I would consider this show to be possibly the worst I've ever seen in the West End - the plot and staging (bar the revolve) was a total mess.
Every scene felt like it lasted an eternity and just when I thought the scene would move on, each song would have a reprise.
I also think there are glimmers of a good show within it and some catchy melodies throughout but with less than a year of development work and the same director in place, I cannot see how this show could be so drastically improved that it would be worthy of a Broadway stage.
I do hope they add back in the Prince Charming sea witch song as it's my favourite on the cast album, and the only one I've listened to since seeing the show, but maybe that has something to do with it being performed by Adam Lambert.
Very intrigued to see how this goes.
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Post by cezbear on Oct 3, 2022 20:09:06 GMT
Classy. Shame she can't support the new Cinderella, whatever her personal experience was. I think they’re perfectly entitled to like whatever tweets they wish. The cast were treated dreadfully, do you expect them to just smile through it? Oh I agree she's perfectly entitled to like whatever tweets she wants. And people are perfectly entitled to form their own opinions based on that (and other things). |
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Post by lolalou on Oct 3, 2022 20:10:14 GMT
Classy. Shame she can't support the new Cinderella, whatever her personal experience was. I think they’re perfectly entitled to like whatever tweets they wish. The cast were treated dreadfully, do you expect them to just smile through it? They are completely entitled to do that. Then make themselves look a complete hypocrite on their stories when they ‘wish the Broadway cast huge love and luck and hope they have fun with what they create! ...while simultaneously gleefully hoping ‘Broadway critics are going to eat Cinderella alive’ 🤔 |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 3, 2022 20:26:53 GMT
Is it true they're going to have a 24 piece orchestra?
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Post by Jon on Oct 3, 2022 20:31:48 GMT
Is it true they're going to have a 24 piece orchestra? I think it's a requirement for the Musicians Union on Broadway due to the theatre's size. |
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Post by marob on Oct 3, 2022 20:48:44 GMT
Is it common practice on Broadway to do an announcement on the street outside the theatre like that? He gets drowned out by traffic at one point. Though I guess it’s pretty on-brand for this show’s promo to be a bit cack-handed. Love that he still made a pointed dig at the government, which once again no one laughed at. Just waiting for him to start talking Linedy Genao up as his newest discovery and one of the best he’s ever worked with.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Oct 3, 2022 21:09:20 GMT
Hearing the slightly reworked version of the song Bad Cinderella has reminded me how much that song annoys me. The lyrics are so basic and uninteresting, he doesn’t even try to do anything clever with the rhyme scheme - and the melody sounds like a 5 year old playing a nursery rhyme on the piano with one finger.
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Post by starlight92 on Oct 3, 2022 21:14:59 GMT
Gosh I’m looking forward to this thread 🙂 Me too. If it's anything like the London thread, it's going to be great  Re: All That Dazzles (or Bad All That Dazzles as he’s now changed it to) Isn’t he the guy that goes on about how he doesn’t like posting anything negative? Think ole Dazzles must read here His unswerving, unerring belief that the cast were treated so badly and that is his reason for all his unprecedented negativity is quite something. It’s pretty safe to say none of us know what really happened, him included. While he might be clued in by one of the cast I’m sure he doesn’t have a hot line to production or Andy. From the glimpse we did have from the cast it’s clear few came out smelling of roses. But we *do* know what happened, insofar as we know that the cast lost their jobs with very little notice, on a bank holiday of all days, so some would have found out they'd been fired through Twitter. And that includes cast who were lined up to replace the first group, so would have put aside many weeks to do the show, and then suddenly been completely left on a limb. Saying all that, I do think Dazzles goes a bit far with the ALW hate. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 3, 2022 21:32:00 GMT
Is it common practice on Broadway to do an announcement on the street outside the theatre like that? He gets drowned out by traffic at one point. Though I guess it’s pretty on-brand for this show’s promo to be a bit cack-handed. Love that he still made a pointed dig at the government, which once again no one laughed at. Just waiting for him to start talking Linedy Genao up as his newest discovery and one of the best he’s ever worked with. ALW really need to get over the Government being one of the reasons Cinderella closed. |
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Post by ronnette on Oct 3, 2022 21:42:15 GMT
I am here for this thread.
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Post by vabbian on Oct 3, 2022 21:58:58 GMT
oh gosh that rework of the Bad Cinderella song... no words... how did they manage to make it so much worse? Linedy Genao's interpretation of the song is cringe af  |
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Post by stuartmcd on Oct 3, 2022 22:28:56 GMT
Is it true they're going to have a 24 piece orchestra? If this is true then that’s a win at least. Because one thing I really did not like about the London production was the synth style orchestration where everything sounded like it was played on a keyboard. However the rewrite for the song is dreadful. |
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 3, 2022 23:50:09 GMT
And not a peep from other OG Cinderella cast members including Theatreboard Cinderella thread faves RV and LB. The restraint is admirable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 0:15:46 GMT
I have not seen the show so my suggested title may not fit its tone at all, but for pure marketing potential I wish it could be:
That Bi#ch Cinderella
(hey, if the shoe fits ...)
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Post by chernjam on Oct 4, 2022 0:30:07 GMT
Re: All That Dazzles (or Bad All That Dazzles as he’s now changed it to) Isn’t he the guy that goes on about how he doesn’t like posting anything negative? And why should Carrie be supportive of a Broadway transfer when it’s no secret the show was a nightmare to work on? How do we know it was the show and not Carrie who was the nightmare? There's more than one side to the story/saga and to me I find it hard to deal with CHF and the victim complex. I for one am hopeful that they've had time to revisit things and refocus some things for the show. Thought the score had some nice songs in it and it was enjoyable to listen to. I also found the bad cinderella revisions to be improvements. Just losing the "I am 'Me Cinderella'" was a major upgrade. Always cringed when I heard that. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 4, 2022 7:13:16 GMT
New show title, new hashtag, new socials. Anyone searching @badcinderella will conveniently not see what went down with the old one.
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 4, 2022 8:39:24 GMT
New show title, new hashtag, new socials. Anyone searching @badcinderella will conveniently not see what went down with the old one. And who can blame him. |
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Post by max on Oct 4, 2022 10:39:30 GMT
A really Bad start unfortunately. This was a chance to re-orchestrate that title song, and really make it creative and imaginative, and signal how much better this new version will be. Getting the new lead to just sing to the existing track makes it feel like karaoke to those of us who got used to the original. No insult to the singer, but the original Cinderella album was made during lockdown, with only a short session with full orchestra, its arrangements and instrumentation sound tinny and synthetic (and not in a current compression laden chart hit way).
It's also badly edited. The vocals haven't finished on one line, when a little hurrumph noise (for naturalism) overlaps with the singer's own voice.
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Post by max on Oct 4, 2022 10:51:13 GMT
From a musical theatre song writing angle I really don't get the lyric changes. The original's second verse had Cinderella voicing how others in the community see her and insult her. A really welcome three-dimensional aspect, that stopped it from being a very plain 'this is my character, these are my qualities' song. In any song writing class ypu'd put this 'before' and 'after' the other way around. Let the lyrics do double or triple duty introducing the world of the piece via sideways routes, and get the texture of a character apparently defiant but clearly hurt by what 'they' all say about her.
Girl from the gutter
Unpleasant peasant
No one, a nutter
Unwelcome present
Cruel taunts you mutter
Every insult that you utter makes me strong
In another staging these insults could be taken by community/ensemble voices, but that'll never happen now. Plant your feet and state the obvious, it is.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 4, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
This is going to be hilarious.
How does the whole world know this is going to absolutely tank, but not the investors? How much can any incredibly wealthy person be just happy to lose?
We’re now going to have certain mildly cretinous nobodies from the London ensemble piping up. We’ve already had people liking tweets they shouldn’t. This is going to be - frankly - a ****show with terrible people on every side. A sort of middle class Jerry Springer with tweets and “yaaas Queen”.
8 weeks from press night is still my bet.
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Post by ladidah on Oct 4, 2022 14:54:12 GMT
Can't see who the audience is for this still. Are they trying to cash in on Heathers and Mean Girls fan with the new look?
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Post by christya on Oct 4, 2022 15:19:50 GMT
I'd suspect that's precisely what they're trying to do. It's all feeling a bit try-hard to me, but Webber will not back down.
I'm a tad miffed that after the London production using two 'fuller figured' leading ladies, their Broadway Cinderella is back to being, essentially, conventionally pretty.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 4, 2022 15:36:28 GMT
Let’s hope they’re rethinking that wig.
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