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Post by undeuxtrois on Jun 26, 2022 13:40:16 GMT
Granted, totally get your point and share your opinion, however just to flag Isaac’s pronouns are they/them, so, respectfully, maybe edit your post to reflect that. Issac’s Instagram bio says their pronouns are they/she/he
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Post by trapdoor on Jun 26, 2022 13:40:45 GMT
Granted, totally get your point and share your opinion, however just to flag Isaac’s pronouns are they/them, so, respectfully, maybe edit your post to reflect that. Isaac goes by all pronouns (they/he/she) as per the programme and Twitter. Ah my mistake 🤣
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 26, 2022 13:59:33 GMT
Isaac goes by all pronouns (they/he/she) as per the programme and Twitter. Ah my mistake 🤣 Twitter says They/She/He…. so blame them/her/him for any confusion.
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Post by viserys on Jun 26, 2022 14:06:58 GMT
That was so all-around awful, I'm going to dig out the Broadway pro-shot now as a palate cleanser.
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Post by danb on Jun 26, 2022 14:52:34 GMT
That was so all-around awful, I'm going to dig out the Broadway pro-shot now as a palate cleanser. A perfect record of the show at its best (other than the breath at the end of So Much Better).
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Post by inthenose on Jun 26, 2022 15:37:26 GMT
When I reviewed this early in the thread, I had WEL in mind as providing "proof" of what I described - they definitely delivered.
Also, the praise for Courtney Bowman is misplaced. Being the best in this cast is like being the tallest Hobbit, or the strongest ant.
She's not great either but is elevated by the absolute dross around her.
Aside from the dreadful singing from Isaac, the dancing is absolutely dire. To their credit though, that was somehow better than when I saw it in previews.
Truly a production 'for the ages' and I hope lessons have been learnt.
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Post by Dr Tom on Jun 26, 2022 15:58:01 GMT
So, do we think this will transfer?
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Post by chadexx on Jun 26, 2022 16:12:57 GMT
It seems strange than in spite of the totally misconceived direction, the dreadful set and the appalling costumes, the production has sold out at virtuously every performance. Can anybody explain??? i do accept that some of the performers gave their all in hugely difficult circumstances so i applaud their gritty professionalism.....
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 26, 2022 16:18:31 GMT
They do but both sets are just PINK PINK PINK with the odd missing sleeve or leg or something, unless you were really paying attention you'd have no idea it was meant to differentiate!
I did notice a missing trouser leg at one point but just put it down to the general weirdness of the costumes, which look very much like costumes rather than anything most real people would wear. As for the pinkness, does it work in the context of the full show? Because fom the clips, it doesn't seem to work in the way pink did in the original production. In the original production, Elle wearing pink made sense both in-universe - it was her signature colour - and practically as it made it easy for the audience to pick her out in group scenes. When everyone on stage is in pink Elle doesn't stand out in the same way & it can't be her signature colour if all her friends wear nothing but pink too.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 26, 2022 16:18:41 GMT
It seems strange than in spite of the totally misconceived direction, the dreadful set and the appalling costumes, the production has sold out at virtuously every performance. Can anybody explain??? i do accept that some of the performers gave their all in hugely difficult circumstances so i applaud their gritty professionalism..... There is no easy way of answering that without breaking a forum rule. I think some very positive reviews won't have hurt, and obviously the name recognition of the IP / memories of the original production/am dram productions they may have seen will have helped shift tickets. When I saw it, people around me (several left at the interval, a few others left before that) spoke very unfavourably in comparison the original London production. Most regular punters who go to see "a show" book for the name; "oh, Oklahoma! is on, I love that movie" etc. It's only when they actually watch the show they realise it's a reimagining etc. I don't know anyone in real life who actually enjoyed this trash, which could mean either I live in an echo chamber of taste, or the show is absolutely dire.
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Post by danb on Jun 26, 2022 17:05:05 GMT
It seems strange than in spite of the totally misconceived direction, the dreadful set and the appalling costumes, the production has sold out at virtuously every performance. Can anybody explain??? i do accept that some of the performers gave their all in hugely difficult circumstances so i applaud their gritty professionalism..... I will take one for the team and suggest that any ‘gaps’ in the audience have been ‘filled’ prior to the performance.
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Post by cezbear on Jun 26, 2022 17:41:32 GMT
It seems strange than in spite of the totally misconceived direction, the dreadful set and the appalling costumes, the production has sold out at virtuously every performance. Can anybody explain??? i do accept that some of the performers gave their all in hugely difficult circumstances so i applaud their gritty professionalism..... I will take one for the team and suggest that any ‘gaps’ in the audience have been ‘filled’ prior to the performance. I would believe that, except... Looking at the rest of the run its completely sold out for every date. They're not taking it off sale with gaps, surely. (Also, what are the hugely difficult circumstances? Did I miss something?)
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 26, 2022 17:42:14 GMT
That would certainly match reports that have reached my ears
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 26, 2022 18:24:10 GMT
When I reviewed this early in the thread, I had WEL in mind as providing "proof" of what I described - they definitely delivered. Also, the praise for Courtney Bowman is misplaced. Being the best in this cast is like being the tallest Hobbit, or the strongest ant. She's not great either but is elevated by the absolute dross around her. Aside from the dreadful singing from Isaac, the dancing is absolutely dire. To their credit though, that was somehow better than when I saw it in previews. Truly a production 'for the ages' and I hope lessons have been learnt. But will they? This production got 4 and 5 star reviews? I’m beginning to think this production is very much a case of ‘the emperors new clothes’
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 26, 2022 18:31:16 GMT
The reviewers were largely persuaded by the power of the diversity and inclusivity card to suspend the normal rules of criticism in order to support the so-called progressive agenda of the creative team.
There are, thankfully, some who have seen through that and commented on the poor handling of a cast member and of the use of homophobic tropes in addition to the flaws in the set and costume design.
So there are many reviewers who have been wilfully blind to very obvious flaws. And they should be ashamed of their lack of honesty.
It is perfectly possible to support the push towards a more inclusive theatre whilst also being constructively critical where necessary.
The fact that it did not receive honest reviews says much about the state of theatre criticism at present.
And the production team have got away with creating a cheap and exploitative piece of work.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Jun 26, 2022 22:28:34 GMT
Having watching the Bend and Snap clip I’m reminded that in certain songs the choreography is stellar, and Paulette is amazing. Purists will get cross it’s not the traditional ‘bend and snap’ move, but my only issues with this number is how nerdy and un-sexy they made Kyle. It KIND of works in the show, in that he’s sweet but a bit of a dweeb but Paulette somehow finds him incredibly attractive as if he’s still the hunk from the Broadway version - but it’s not done to that degree that it needs to to be properly funny
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Post by lolalou on Jun 28, 2022 9:13:32 GMT
Just had a browse through the comments for both west end live numbers on YouTube and they pretty much mirror what we’ve been saying on here. They are almost all negative. No respect for critics who have pandered to the total ‘modern’ makeover which has taken away the core essence of the show not to mention overlooking the atrocious singing. It seems none are ‘brave’ enough to stick their heads above the parapets and say Isaac is miscast. Equal rights means equal treatment in reviews? And Bend and Snap? Finger clicks? Just no. Unless you’re drawing attention to your female attributes in the sexiest (while comedic) way is it even Bend and Snap?
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Post by danb on Jun 28, 2022 10:27:27 GMT
I think Paullette would have been a great character to cast with a trans actor. Her songs are mostly solo so there would be no blending issues.
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Post by j85 on Jun 28, 2022 10:51:23 GMT
I went to see the show last night, and having followed this board and watched the WEL clips my expectations were low - which might mean why I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. But having slept on it, I honestly did enjoy and like it.
Issac was much better than they were at WEL. I didn’t enjoy the exaggerated accent/voice they put on throughout, and there seemed to be some showboating to stand out more at times, but overall they weren’t the trainwreck the board suggested they would be. Maybe they would have been better as one of the other Delta Nus, but overall not bad. However, the recent tweeting trying to manifest themself into the role of Jamie need to stop!
The ensemble were great. They’re all having fun and the multiple roles they play all seem to be individual and different to one another. I especially enjoyed Joe Foster and the multitude of roles they played throughout as well as Allie Daniel (even if the Delta Greek chorus costume was causing a few issues by the looks of it). I can also totally understand the love and support Billy Nevers has been getting - he stood out throughout and I look forward to seeing where his career goes.
The dogs… This was what I was least looking forward to - BUT - in this ‘version’ of the show they work. I get how easy it is to bash it and criticise it, but Liam McEvoy made Brusier a character that brought humour with his reactions to the events and then the added sub plot of Bruiser and Paulette’s dog was a cute addition. The costumes are as camp as the show - and the only criticism of the show I heard on the walk back to the underground were two girls talking about how the dogs were not ‘part of the real world’…
Eugene McCoy as Callahan was fantastic - he has the worst song in the show, but for the first time after a few times of seeing different productions of Legally Blonde, this was a stand out song for me. Nadine Higgin was just brilliant as Paulette, sets a new standard for her and Vanessa Fisher is a great Vivienne giving the bitchiness to supportive vibe effortlessly. But for me the stand out was Michael Ahomka-Lindsay as Emmett - he was just amazing and transformed the character from a boring geek to someone who has really pushed for where he wants to be making ‘Chip on my shoulder’ into a much more meaningful song.
I have a massive soft spot for Courtney Bowman after seeing her in Jamie as one of the classmates and finding myself watching her more than anyone else on the stage. Her Elle is very different from previous Elles and probably wouldn’t work in the original staging, but in this version this Elle is just right. Elle isn’t thick, she is clever in her areas of knowledge and with a push is willing to work hard which comes across well in this characterisation. Courtney did a great job of leading the show.
Now the design… I’m not against the colour code adopted for the costumes. The pink isn’t as garish as I thought it’d be and it works OK. The Harvard colour pallet I liked, and would happily adopt for myself and if I could pull of the Warner/Emmet jackets I so would! But the Elle costumes looked cheap - the navy suit just didn’t work sadly which is such a shame. It would have been great if a little bit more effort had been put into her costumes. The set, the levels etc work well but the print all over it is disgusting. Not sure what it’s meant to be - I was on row B and it looked like a firework background you get on Canva repeated over and over which I doubt it’s meant to be. And the string curtain thing all around the stage - whoever cleared it didn’t think how it would look after so many weeks in an outside setting. It’s just tatty. The only good thing is that it hides entrances and exits.
I also enjoyed the new arrangements for some of the songs, especially Serious and how Warner has been brought up to date. However I think some of the choreography needs to calm down a bit - do we really need a different head movement for every word in Gay or European? I could see a variation of this production having a future. It needs work in the design area, maybe the costumes could evolve over time, and the set needs a rethink. It isn’t perfect, but it’s not the car crash that many have made it out to be. Maybe it’s because it’s the first show I’ve managed to see in years (I’m seeing lots this week to make up for it) or that I was expecting worse so anything would be good, but I genuinely do think it’s a good show. What it’s done is place it in a contemporary setting rather than the early naughties of the film which I think was a good move to make. It’s easy to bash it based on the WEL and other things online, but I’m very glad I saw it and even more glad that it was better than it was made out to be!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 28, 2022 11:23:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 15:46:52 GMT
Isaac was talking about auditioning for a role in Jamie on his twitter, that would be a perfect show for him to be in as thre would be so many personal feelings to draw on.
Courtney I'd be interested to see what she'll do next. Would she be too young for Sister Act?
I did think Hairspray but then you cannot really have a black person playing a white role when the underlying story is of segregation and equality.
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Post by pomegranate on Jun 28, 2022 20:00:30 GMT
Courtney I'd be interested to see what she'll do next. Would she be too young for Sister Act? Not sure if it’s right for her vocally, but I think she’d be a great non-traditional casting choice and bring a lot of heart to Glinda!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 28, 2022 21:24:32 GMT
Courtney I'd be interested to see what she'll do next. Would she be too young for Sister Act? Not sure if it’s right for her vocally, but I think she’d be a great non-traditional casting choice and bring a lot of heart to Glinda! Oh please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2022 10:24:44 GMT
Courtney I'd be interested to see what she'll do next. Would she be too young for Sister Act? Not sure if it’s right for her vocally, but I think she’d be a great non-traditional casting choice and bring a lot of heart to Glinda! As far as Wicked I'd see Courtney much more as Elphaba as that is a quirky/outsider role plus she'd get the better songs. Glinda always seems a slightly fluffy role and Courtney in the huge ballgown type dress wouldn't seem ideal casting IMO.
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Post by matty on Jul 2, 2022 18:13:09 GMT
Saw the final matinee this afternoon and good lord what a complete misfire for the OAT. Me and my friends left at the interval and went and chilled in the park.
Isaac was clearly miscast, even their speaking voice was annoying and did not fit in with the rest. The guy playing Emmett could only just sing the part, but his acting seemed so wooden, at no point did I feel any sparks between him and Courtney.
Courtney's voice was great, especially during So Much Better, which was a highlight of what we saw. But those costumes, someone needs to get a stern talking to for that absolute bin bag they dressed her in during the opening number.
What annoyed me most of all, was that for a show screaming about diversity and inclusion, they sure did push some awful stereotypes. I mean did those dogs need to mince quite as much as they did? And why did the snippy Harvard professor reviewing her application have to be a bitchy gay?
I really hope the OAT can redeem itself with its 2023 musical.
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