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Post by anthony on Jun 1, 2022 17:50:54 GMT
I think if Isaac isn't careful, he won't end being cast in other shows by the people who he's criticised who tend to be white, older and middle class. Don't get me wrong, the Letts review was pretty terrible but surely you'd just ignore it rather than stew on it. Courtney in comparison has been diplomatic and brushed it aside. I do feel for Isaac and Courtney. It must be exhausting fighting against this prejudice daily. They have rights to be upset and angry. But yes in comparison Isaac’s response was just as prejudicial. Even though the demographic he was calling out is a privileged group in comparison, you don’t fight prejudice with prejudice. I think it was a very revealing post of his. And while the young are allowed to make their mistakes I do hope a wiser someone has had a quiet word before the ego gets any bigger. Edited to say: *in comparison to Courtney The comments about Courtney were unacceptable, but I don't see why Isaac has a right to be angry. When the show goes out of its way to "cast diversely", it should be open for criticism when sub-par actors get given roles. Sounds harsh, but I don't see why they should be exempt from criticism. In the case of this production, casting in this way has seriously negatively impacted the quality of the show and tbh, people *should* be irritated by that.
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Post by budd on Jun 1, 2022 18:02:55 GMT
I didn't find Isaac's post as one doing any good, but they retracted it, and the outrage on this board and the calls about them not getting any more jobs over it is far louder than that for Quentin Letts, who has a far bigger platform and had belittled people countless times over.
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 1, 2022 18:09:27 GMT
Wasn’t putting any words in your mouth. Merely adding a shot of humour at the end at my expense. I found it amusing that some of us older generation (white old straight fat balding irrelevant - take your pick) who are being accused ELSEWHERE of being out of touch/not worthy of watching a show were using correct pronouns. Try not to be ‘disappointed’ in us. Maybe research the facts yourself next time before trying to shame us. No, you were absolutely suggesting that I was attacking certain members. And, please. No one was shaming. Nor did I make ANY suggestion that a certain group of posters were the ones doing that. And once again, Isaac is non-binary. So, I don't need to "research the facts" by using they/them. I didn't know that Isaac ALSO uses he pronouns. Have a great day. Loving the block button on this board! Shame you won’t see this 😊 I’m happy to be blocked by someone so quick to take offence where none was given. Although it seems an extreme and dramatic way of doing things instead of engaging in healthy debate. Easier to block and ignore. Nowhere in my post was I suggesting an attack on anybody. Maybe ‘shaming’ was a tad strong but patronising is entirely accurate. No need to be ‘disappointed’ in anyone of us who is trying to get pronouns correct and were correct when you assumed ‘non binary’ automatically means they/them without finding out Isaac’s correct pronouns yourself. You can’t find members on this board ‘disappointing’ we can’t get Isaac’s pronouns right when a little basic check on his account by yourself would’ve saved you coming on the board to correct us unnecessarily. Would’ve saved you the ‘disappointment’. Anyway as you were people. Moving along Nothing to see here 😂
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Post by inthenose on Jun 1, 2022 18:09:44 GMT
Isaac should be dismissed.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 1, 2022 18:31:41 GMT
I didn't find Isaac's post as one doing any good, but they retracted it, and the outrage on this board and the calls about them not getting any more jobs over it is far louder than that for Quentin Letts, who has a far bigger platform and had belittled people countless times over. The post about hair transplants was not removed last time I checked. Isaac still has much to learn about how best to express things on social media.
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 1, 2022 20:13:09 GMT
They've posted another trailer and tbh its no better. The vocal sounds really iffy This sounds like a live feed from the sound desk or even just someone's phone. They should have got them all into a studio to record a music bed (or even just stand still in a closed room). They sound out of breath and out of tune. They cant expect to be taken seriously if they put out material of this quality.
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Post by Jon on Jun 1, 2022 20:33:17 GMT
I'm not convinced that Lucy Moss will get further directing gigs from the bigger theatre venues or producers unless she gets a few more shows under her belt. That isn't to say she isn't talented but she's better off with creating original material than tackling existing shows.
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 1, 2022 20:35:33 GMT
I'm not convinced that Lucy Moss will get further directing gigs from the bigger theatre venues or producers unless she gets a few more shows under her belt. That isn't to say she isn't talented but she's better off with creating original material than tackling existing shows. Agree entirely as it seems do the majority on this board. But will the slew of 5 star reviews work their magic and open doors?
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Post by Jon on Jun 1, 2022 20:40:09 GMT
Agree entirely as it seems do the majority on this board. But will the slew of 5 star reviews work their magic and open doors? I imagine her being the co-creator of Six probably did that already but TBH I personally think her talents lie in smaller shows like Six and Hot Gay Time Machine, I fear she's going to have a bigger disaster down the line if she goes straight into a bigger project.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 2, 2022 11:22:03 GMT
Elisabeth is now bullet proof, she has the nice problem that she can do what she wants. Those royalty checks ain’t going to stop anytime soon, as Six is such a monster hit, think there is now or soon going to be 6 producti9ns.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 14:10:37 GMT
The positives: Michael Ahomka-Lindsay (Emmett), Courtney Bowman (Elle) and Eugene McCoy (Callahan) were all great. Particularly McCoy. As mentioned earlier, Emmett being played by a PoC really adds to the character, especially when hearing about his struggles during Chip. Allie Daniel was brilliant too (ensemble). She really sold the hell out of the part and was probably the stand out in an otherwise very weak ensemble. The negatives: I don't even know where to begin, really. Let's start with lyrical changes: I just didn't get a lot of them. In the programme, they make a big fuss about things that have happened that have caused a seismic shift in attitudes - things like the Me Too movement and George Floyd's murder. Most of the lyrical changes in relation to these are very minor and don't really change much. One that really annoyed me though was Callahan says "and he can get you high and laid". This was changed (I can't remember what to...), but surely the whole point of Callahan's character is that he IS a bit shady? There were a lot of other changes too, but the majority I don't remember. However, despite all of these lyrical changes, they didn't change the references to Elle being thin (there are 3-4 throughout) and of course, it seems out of place given that Bowman isn't skinny (and this isn't a dig!) Direction: I don't understand the need to make everything so modern - and a lot of the time it's done super badly. So, for example, during Whipped Into Shape, the lawyers are watching on Zoom... the problem is, is that it isn't obvious at all. There are loads more things like this - the cast have "phones" out constantly throughout the entire thing. It's jarring and weird. The dogs... I don't get it. Pointless change. In fact, it's somewhat ironic that they've went all out to be "woke", and yet, when changing the species of bruiser, they've chosen the most stereotypical breed for a gay dog. The constant sexual references are weird too - ranging from Emmett finding Elle's vibrator, to the dogs humping on stage, to Margot randomly humping other members of DN... Ensemble: Just not good. Isaac, in particular, was genuinely dreadful and flat throughout. The costumes... do I need to comment? Overall, I just don't get what they were trying to accomplish. I Legally Blonde but this was just... not good. I really hope that they don't take some of these creative decisions forward to future productions. To change lyrics of a show would they need the rights holders permissions we hear about certain shows being pretty well locked down to how they can be performed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 14:15:54 GMT
Went to see this with a mate and we had a really good time and it was fun (and I thought Courtney was good), but objectively it wasn’t a great production! It all felt a bit high school to me and the costumes weren’t the best - and just so much pink!! As for the Letts / Isaac drama - Letts was out of order with how he worded his review and people are right to criticise it, but it’s JUST ONE REVIEW …. that hardly anyone read in the first place. Just ignore and move on. I’m so done with the overwrought and over the top outrage you see on social media these days over literally anything. As for Isaac, what’s worrying for me is that he clearly represents a whole swathe of younger theatre performers who live their lives in twitter world and not the real world - and theatre twitter is toxic af and full of people who truly do believe, like Isaac, that “old cis white people” shouldn’t exist or have a voice … completely oblivious to the fact that it’s these people they are criticising who are buying the majority of tickets (at the higher prices); the vast majority of whom DO believe in inclusivity and are liberal minded! How blumming arrogant to act like you’re only performing for YOUR chosen people! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a teen white cis theater fan tweet something ridiculous like “we need to stop casting these old cis white crusty actors” when referring to a legendary theatre performer like Sutton Foster, lol! It’s embarrassing - and I’m ngl, it’s even more embarrassing coming from Isaac when their singing was so below average! I’m all for inclusive and diverse casting, but please make it good! Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant! Is this the snowflake generation they cannot take any criticism and if you are in the performing arts you'll get knockbacks from auditions and shows closing look at the Cinderella fiasco. If a lot of performers of this ilk start venting out then they will soon end up being labelled "trouble" by the big producers who have a talented pool to choose from. Look at these wannabes on the X Factor who have been told they are great by family and friends usually some girl about 16 trying to hold a note like Mariah or Whitney but then get told by Simon and co they aren't as good as they were told and cannot accept it.
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Post by apubleed on Jun 2, 2022 17:06:34 GMT
A bit cringe that the tone from some of those involved with this production makes it seem like they are doing ANGELS IN AMERICA when the production value is more like a drag show at Heaven (although those performers can usually sing on pitch lol).
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 2, 2022 18:44:51 GMT
Went to see this with a mate and we had a really good time and it was fun (and I thought Courtney was good), but objectively it wasn’t a great production! It all felt a bit high school to me and the costumes weren’t the best - and just so much pink!! As for the Letts / Isaac drama - Letts was out of order with how he worded his review and people are right to criticise it, but it’s JUST ONE REVIEW …. that hardly anyone read in the first place. Just ignore and move on. I’m so done with the overwrought and over the top outrage you see on social media these days over literally anything. As for Isaac, what’s worrying for me is that he clearly represents a whole swathe of younger theatre performers who live their lives in twitter world and not the real world - and theatre twitter is toxic af and full of people who truly do believe, like Isaac, that “old cis white people” shouldn’t exist or have a voice … completely oblivious to the fact that it’s these people they are criticising who are buying the majority of tickets (at the higher prices); the vast majority of whom DO believe in inclusivity and are liberal minded! How blumming arrogant to act like you’re only performing for YOUR chosen people! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a teen white cis theater fan tweet something ridiculous like “we need to stop casting these old cis white crusty actors” when referring to a legendary theatre performer like Sutton Foster, lol! It’s embarrassing - and I’m ngl, it’s even more embarrassing coming from Isaac when their singing was so below average! I’m all for inclusive and diverse casting, but please make it good! Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant! Is this the snowflake generation they cannot take any criticism Considering that the last eight pages of this thread consist of middle aged people going into hysterics over Isaac's (distasteful) tweet I think we should really re-consider who the snowflakes are tbh
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Post by inthenose on Jun 2, 2022 18:45:44 GMT
Is this the snowflake generation they cannot take any criticism Considering that the last eight pages of this thread consist of middle aged people going into hysterics over Isaac's (distasteful) tweet I think we should really re-consider who the snowflakes are tbh Cut out the ageism, eh?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 2, 2022 18:46:34 GMT
Considering that the last eight pages of this thread consist of middle aged people going into hysterics over Isaac's (distasteful) tweet I think we should really re-consider who the snowflakes are tbh Cut out the ageism, eh? It's a two way street
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 2, 2022 18:58:38 GMT
The issue is that of hypocrisy.
When you claim to be inclusive and then demonstrate very clear bigotry, you deserve to be called out for it.
Nothing about being a snowflake. Everything about refusing to tolerate intolerance and hypocrisy.
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Post by bethr20 on Jun 2, 2022 21:02:35 GMT
I refrained from reading any Legally Blonde reviews until I actually went to see the show 31/5 (so a few days ago now). This was mainly so that I didn't feel my opinion unintentionally twisted before I had the ability to carve my own thoughts on what I was watching. After all, many of these reviewers are also ticket providers who want a good word for the show that they're trying to advertise for audiences to book for. In fact, I don't think I ever actually checked out this thread since the casting was announced back in March, but today I sat down and caught up with everyone's thoughts on the show. Thankfully (or maybe not), I found that my potentially controversial opinion on the show, after seeing it, were shared with the majority of the people on this thread.
In terms of the casting, I was pretty impressed with the vast majority of it. Stand out performances were definitely Lauren (who I already had high hopes for in her role as Brooke, as I'd seen her in the Six tour on many occasions, so I knew that she had amazing vocals), also Michael (Emmett), and Nadine (Paulette) but other than that, it was nothing discernable.
In all honesty, that's the operative word for this entire show: 48 hours on, and all of my memories of the show wash into one 2½ hour long zone-out. That might sound really harsh, and the show was *good*, but sadly not much better. I'd listened to the cast recordings (mainly the live London one) for many a year before this trip, and in all fairness to the show I'm probably slating it in a snarky manner because I don't believe that this production did it any sort of justice. Maybe I did go in with slightly too-high expectations; the last shows that I've seen were Heathers, Waitress, Six, Hamilton (in the last 3 months), and after them all I've left the theatre instantly yearning to return, but with LB I never got that feeling. Would I see it again? Maybe, if I could be tempted with free tickets. I did utilise the OAT's half price concession under 18 ticket deal, which meant that my £40 seat was only £20, and that was probably one of the main reasons that I went to see the show, as I knew that I'd regret it (considering its short OAC run) if I didn't. Would I rush back to the theatre to rewatch it tommrow? Probably not.
I would never have left during the interval because that would have been a waste of my ticket cost, but I did benchmark a few particularly unenthused audience members and - lo and behold - they didn't return back again. Not half as bad, however, as the family sat in front of me who left the show 3 minutes into the opening number, which I do think crosses the line slightly, if nothing else because it was both distracting and blindly obvious.
Talking about that opening number, that was the point where I had to question their casting of Isaac: a conversation I thought would be controversial, but most people on this thread who have seen this current run do seem to agree (be that a good or a bad thing). My issue stemmed from the fact that they opened Ohmygod You Guys both flat and with a very whiny accent which, when combined, did have to make me question whether it was trying to ironically fit the stereotypical 'girl-who-thinks-she-can-sing-but-actually-cannot'. Maybe I just saw them on an off day, and if so then I retract that entire statement, but I definitely wasn't enthralled by their performance. I don't by any mean slate LB's 'diverse' casting, but I do agree with many others that it was probably a slight oversight from the casting team by the fact that their deeper voice sticks out over the harmonies due to their overcompensated accent. If they made the conscious decision to cast a trans, NB actor simply to trademark themselves as being 'diverse', then in some regards that could be almost worse than picking someone for the role who can sing it, as I'm almost certain that they would have had many suitable candidates. And if they did want to stick with Isaac, then they should have adapted the track slightly to better fit their voice, so that it would sound less strained.
Courtney was great, although maybe that's because I have nobody to compare her to. She had a lovely voice, she added in some fancy riffs at fitting points (mainly in So Much Better, which is probably the only place where they worked in most of the show), and she bought along the stereotypical Elle-ish charisma which you'd expect from the role. However, the chemistry between her and Michael just didn't exist, in my opinion. If it wasn't insinuated very heavily that there was romance there, it would have been quite easy to miss, although maybe that's just me being thick there. However, Michael's performance was great and he was probably one of my favourite cast members.
Lauren, as I had hoped, was amazing as Brooke. Whipped Into Shape was probably the best number in the whole show, and I felt tired just watching that choreography!
Nadine was another stellar performance as Paulette, who I loved in the role!
The dogs were an... interesting addition?
Personally, I didn't find the stage to be much of a problem. It could have been dressed better, but it was clear that the show was going for a pink overload so they definitely delivered on that. As it's only there for a month, I suppose a full cosmetic do-over would be unachievable in their short time at the theatre, as it'd all need to be stripped as soon as the run ends. It did, admittedly, look better as the sun went down and it got darker after the interval, with the purple lights in the trees complimenting the stage lighting nicely. The outdoors does mean that the sound quality is definitely hindered. With such a wide expanse, the sound seems to travel in every direction but toward the audience, which did become quite annoying after a while. In some songs, Courtney was drowned out over the ensemble because their mics overpowered hers. This is hopefully a problem which they can fix for the future, even if it's just by increasing her mic audio levels to counterbalance the harmonies.
The costumes, however, definitely looked cheap and tacky. Not the sophisticated 'rich vogue' look, as Elle is presented as, but instead a 'wannabe rich' vibe. As I didn't see the show in the previews, I can't comment on whether those complaints are directed at the same outfits as they're now using, but they still could have been a lot nicer than they are.
I purposefully waited before writing this review as I wanted to see how much of the performance I could actually retain from memory. As I assumed, it's not a lot. I couldn't recall a step by step narrative of the performance without looking up a Wikipedia synopsis first, and I most certainly couldn't tell you all about the choreography for different songs, as I could do for other musicals that I've seen recently.
All in all, for the pretty decent total cost of £30 for train + tickets + dinner, as I spent, it's not a bad night out. I still give Legally Blonde a solid 3 stars, as I think that most of the issues with the show can be fixed with a little bit of thought. Maybe not in time for the end of this run, but if the show is eyeing up a proper West End transfer then most of their cosmetic issues will go away anyway. And the other stars were lost simply because I don't think that this 'revival' does the show justice for new audiences who are trying to get into it.
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Post by ceebee on Jun 2, 2022 21:05:50 GMT
And breathe.
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Post by WireHangers on Jun 2, 2022 22:00:58 GMT
Is this the snowflake generation they cannot take any criticism Considering that the last eight pages of this thread consist of middle aged people going into hysterics over Isaac's (distasteful) tweet I think we should really re-consider who the snowflakes are tbh Can’t believe people are still talking about it.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 2, 2022 22:17:20 GMT
Considering that the last eight pages of this thread consist of middle aged people going into hysterics over Isaac's (distasteful) tweet I think we should really re-consider who the snowflakes are tbh Can’t believe people are still talking about it. I agree, can't believe all this discussion and anger and no formal apology from the production/performer.
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 2, 2022 22:45:02 GMT
So went to see Carousel at Kilworth Open Air. A bit more of a modern take on the usual offering with its post WW2 setting. Exciting choreo. Beautiful voices breathing fresh life organically into an ‘oldie’ without having to signpost or reinvent the script to accommodate diversity. We had a same sex couple at the clam bake, and a lovely male dance duet in June is Bustin out all over, Julie wasn’t a drip as is sometimes portrayed and the ballet had a bit of bite to it. Sound was superb. Musicians gorgeous. A stunning set which didn’t need the sun to set to look good. No one riffing and sing screaming. Cast in tune.
This is how to do it OPEN AIR THEATRE.
I’m not sure why somewhere like OAT should have ongoing sound issues? Has no one pointed it out?
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Post by fiyero on Jun 2, 2022 23:37:06 GMT
I had a lovely evening at the open air theatre tonight. I could rip the show to shreds but I won’t. The only thing I really didn’t care for was the dogs. Puppets would have been better. My friend who has never seen or heard another production but has seen the film (a long time since) had a great time! He loved the production, the performances and the venue.
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Post by WireHangers on Jun 3, 2022 14:39:45 GMT
Can’t believe people are still talking about it. I agree, can't believe all this discussion and anger and no formal apology from the production/performer. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2022 16:42:46 GMT
Hi all
Lurker who had to post .
So I’m the target for this show bar being old enough to be their parents.
We go to OAT every year full family day out, three generations.
We were very disappointed by what was said.
Growing up Queer in eighties was terrible I don’t know what this generation would have done then.
Anyway emailed to say I was unhappy as I had bought tickets for the whole family and it was clear some of my family who were accepting of me were not welcome. They said it was outside work comments but they would comp tickets for 101 Dalmatians.
That was nice but unnecessary and I didn’t accept.
I know it’s corny but when they go low we go high is a lesson this upcoming generation should learn, it’s what we did growing up at much rougher time for the community.
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