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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2021 17:28:55 GMT
Sorry for the fake newsy style thread title but this is the preview from an article in The Stage which I can’t read because of their paywall…
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 23, 2021 17:31:58 GMT
Sorry for the fake newsy style thread title but this is the preview from an article in The Stage which I can’t read because of their paywall… Would there be any buyers at this time?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2021 17:35:27 GMT
I think dear old Andy or whoever operates him and his PR needs to think about the optics of this.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 23, 2021 17:39:45 GMT
I’d give him a fiver for them! Where do I apply?
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Post by Jon on Jul 23, 2021 17:49:53 GMT
Would there be any buyers at this time? Of course there would be buyers, he's got the Palladium and Drury Lane to name but two. Access Entertainment would be my guess if push came to shove as he won't likely sell to ATG or Trafalgar. The problem with him saying that he'll sell his theatres is that he's used it as a threat before and when you've used it as a threat multiple times, the messaging loses its impact. I do get his frustration but some of his rhetoric in recent months has been downright xenophobic at times, things like the Chinese want to buy our theatres panders to the readers of the Telegraph for example but you have to wonder if others are looking at Andrew and face palming at his comments,
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2021 19:04:19 GMT
Someone needs to have a word and reign him in.
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Post by marob on Jul 23, 2021 20:22:24 GMT
What reaction is he expecting to this other than 🤷🏻♂️?
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Post by Jon on Jul 23, 2021 21:23:11 GMT
Someone needs to have a word and reign him in. He was slagging off Government ministers in one publication for not coming to his reopening of Drury Lane. If I was being cynical, I don't think they were ever invited in the first place plus it would be a tad hypocritical of ALW to slag off the Government but invite them to the reopening at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 21:26:32 GMT
Maybe he will haunt one like The Phantom.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 23, 2021 22:22:00 GMT
His temper tantrums are getting ridiculous.
He is a multi millionaire. He can afford to keeps his venues and shows going.
He just sounds more ridiculous the more he goes on.
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Post by Jon on Jul 23, 2021 22:36:24 GMT
His temper tantrums are getting ridiculous. He is a multi millionaire. He can afford to keeps his venues and shows going. He just sounds more ridiculous the more he goes on. ALW is rich but the fact that Sunset Boulevard lost money is evidence he's not good at managing his finances.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 24, 2021 1:19:05 GMT
As much as I adore him as a composer, I would be the first to admit the other thing he thinks about is how to add more zeros.
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Post by NorthernAlien on Jul 27, 2021 9:37:30 GMT
I have a subscription to The Stage, and have read the article. It's nothing new - veiled (and not so veiled) threats to take Cinderella to Broadway *now*, and ensure all the profits from it go/remain overseas. Bizarre rhetoric about 'I'm a composer, I only own the venues to say "thank you" to an industry I adore' (why the high rents then, eh, Andy?), and the usual "I don't want foreigners to end up owning the venues" nonsense. It is, to be frank, not the best written article I have ever read - there seems to have been no challenge to anything he's said, at the very least...
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Post by Jon on Jul 27, 2021 13:43:37 GMT
His whole 'I don't want foreigners owning venues' schtick falls apart when you know that that one of the producers of Cinderella is Len Blavatnik who owns the Haymarket through Access Entertainment not to mention the Nederlander Organisation co-owns the Adelphi with LW Theatres and owns both the Dominion and Aldywch and they're an American company.
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Post by Jan on Jul 27, 2021 14:05:26 GMT
Setting aside the fact he’s said this so often I’m sick of hearing it, it’s not much of a threat is it ? Why should we care who owns the theatres ? If he sells them to some other operator so what ? If he was saying he’d have to close them it would be slightly more effective.
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Post by Jon on Jul 27, 2021 14:30:01 GMT
Setting aside the fact he’s said this so often I’m sick of hearing it, it’s not much of a threat is it ? Why should we care who owns the theatres ? If he sells them to some other operator so what ? If he was saying he’d have to close them it would be slightly more effective. Not to mention him selling his theatres wouldn't be out of the blue, five of the six Nimax theatres were originally owned by him for example.
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Post by jojo on Jul 27, 2021 14:35:57 GMT
If the internet is to be believed, ALW is worth $1.2 billion, and yes, some of that will be tied up in property, such as theatres, but the idea that he's hard done by is not fooling many.
I take the point that it's good that someone is keeping the conversation going about the challenges facing the industry, but by centring himself, he's possibly undermining actual valid arguments.
I remember a few years ago him moaning about how much tax he had to pay and that the tax rates needed to come down because they were cramping creativity. Why should he bother writing stuff that will make him millions if the nasty government wants a share to spend on hospitals or education, or to one day subsidise his own industry when times are hard.
I should perhaps be kinder as I have a relative who works for the vet practice that looks after some of his race horses, and I drank some of the champagne he was given as a festive gift the Christmas before last. I'm sure I had some of his ham once too. However, it reminds me that he owns very expensive race horses, so perhaps sell them to "foreigners" first if he's that concerned about the welfare of people working in theatre.
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Post by Jon on Jul 27, 2021 22:09:28 GMT
I'm surprised that ALW owns race horses given his apparent dislike of sport.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 28, 2021 2:08:19 GMT
Think the race horses is more to do with his wife Madeline and is her passion.
Andrew is all about money, it is his prime driving factor.
Good example of this is: If you go to the Tate National Gallery on the Milbank and to be more precise go into room 3 at the back there is a fine painting by Canaletto which is called ‘London: the New Horse Guards from St James’s Park C. 1752-53. In the bottom corner of the description of the painting says it is on long term loan from Andrew Lloyd Webber. On the face of it, it seems a terrific act of altruism, giving a fine painting by one of Italy’s finest Venetian artist, to be viewed by the public for no charge, surely how very selfless and generous. But wait this painting is no more than part of a investment portfolio, storing this painting on his own property would attract hefty insurance, which would then not make it a shrewd investment.
There are many painting in both the Tate and National on Long Term Loan for this very reason.
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Post by Jan on Jul 28, 2021 12:23:32 GMT
I’m sure I had some of his ham once too. 😀 Quite a boast !
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Post by Jon on Jul 28, 2021 18:45:36 GMT
ALW once said that he'd be a lot wealthier if he just stuck with composing rather than branch out into producing.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 28, 2021 21:25:55 GMT
ALW once said that he'd be a lot wealthier if he just stuck with composing rather than branch out into producing. He did indeed. Every musical he has done, since The Phantom of the Opera apart from School of Rock ended up losing money, even Whistle Down the Wind ultimately if you count the expensive and abortive try out in Washington DC. One of his biggest downfalls is again money and his own insecurities that everyone is swindling him. I wonder if this ultimately led to the parting with Cameroon Mackintosh after Phamtom? After Sunset Boulevard you could write a book on ‘how NOT to produce a musical, for idiots.’ Interestingly I wonder what Sunset Boulevard would have become if it had Cameroon Mackintosh in the wheelhouse?
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Post by scarpia on Jul 28, 2021 21:42:39 GMT
ALW once said that he'd be a lot wealthier if he just stuck with composing rather than branch out into producing. He did indeed. Every musical he has done, since The Phantom of the Opera apart from School of Rock ended up losing money, even Whistle Down the Wind ultimately if you count the expensive and abortive try out in Washington DC. One of his biggest downfalls is again money and his own insecurities that everyone is swindling him. I wonder if this ultimately led to the parting with Cameroon Mackintosh after Phamtom? After Sunset Boulevard you could write a book on ‘how NOT to produce a musical, for idiots.’ Interestingly I wonder what Sunset Boulevard would have become if it had Cameroon Mackintosh in the wheelhouse? One exception to that is the London Aspects (though it bombed on Broadway, London had a respectable run and turned a profit). But that was before Biddy Hayward, who ran a tight ship at RUG, got the unceremonious (and ungrateful) boot from ALW. ALW after Sunset blamed everything on not having enough time to do everything because he was also the co-producer, but then that didn't stop him doing that time and time again (and he used exactly the same excuse with LND). Some of his stories/explanations are, unsurprisingly, wildly inconsistent. He says on the one hand that Sunset was too expensively produced and that it was lunacy to budget it at 85% capacity. But he knew that it was expensive and didn't care. When Billy Wilder saw the original version at the Adelphi, he said to ALW that they needed to have the Isotta Fraschini in the return to Paramount scene. So ALW then goes to his production team and says we need the car and asked the production supervisor to sort it out. The car cost $150,000 and appeared only very briefly! Cameron said he parted ways with co-producing with ALW because he didn't want to work with another corporation (although ultimately he did with Disney, though that was a forced marriage). Frankly I think we know the answer to 'what if Cameron had produced Sunset' - we'd certainly not have got that lush orchestra at the ENO a few years ago. We'd have got this staircase for the 21st century instead of John Napier's creaky, outdated set:
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Post by NorthernAlien on Jul 29, 2021 17:00:27 GMT
Andrew is all about money, it is his prime driving factor. Good example of this is: If you go to the Tate National Gallery on the Milbank and to be more precise go into room 3 at the back there is a fine painting by Canaletto which is called ‘London: the New Horse Guards from St James’s Park C. 1752-53. In the bottom corner of the description of the painting says it is on long term loan from Andrew Lloyd Webber. On the face of it, it seems a terrific act of altruism, giving a fine painting by one of Italy’s finest Venetian artist, to be viewed by the public for no charge, surely how very selfless and generous. This 'display of altruism' also means that, in due course, his estate won't pay Inheritance Tax on the value of that painting, as it will fall under the 'items of National Heritage viewable by the public' exemption....
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2021 17:42:42 GMT
One exception to that is the London Aspects (though it bombed on Broadway, London had a respectable run and turned a profit). But that was before Biddy Hayward, who ran a tight ship at RUG, got the unceremonious (and ungrateful) boot from ALW. ALW after Sunset blamed everything on not having enough time to do everything because he was also the co-producer, but then that didn't stop him doing that time and time again (and he used exactly the same excuse with LND). Some of his stories/explanations are, unsurprisingly, wildly inconsistent. He says on the one hand that Sunset was too expensively produced and that it was lunacy to budget it at 85% capacity. But he knew that it was expensive and didn't care. When Billy Wilder saw the original version at the Adelphi, he said to ALW that they needed to have the Isotta Fraschini in the return to Paramount scene. So ALW then goes to his production team and says we need the car and asked the production supervisor to sort it out. The car cost $150,000 and appeared only very briefly! Didn't ALW blame his cancer diagnosis on why Love Never Dies didn't work out? Did Bombay Dreams ever turn a profit or recouped?
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