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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 21:23:55 GMT
Sorry, I strongly disagree. And you're entitled to - that is your opinion. Doesn't mean you or anyone else is right or wrong, it's all just opinion.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 15, 2022 22:21:36 GMT
Sorry, I strongly disagree. And you're entitled to - that is your opinion. Doesn't mean you or anyone else is right or wrong, it's all just opinion. Absolutely. So I love Evita, right? I have seen several dozens of live Eva's, all over the world. Varying from Broadway, to West End to tours (domestic and abroad), to international foreign language productions to am-dram. My personal favourite Evita was an actress called Abigail Jaye who was something like the third or fourth cast change in Kenwright's "latest" tour. You probably haven't heard of her - few would have. She was way after Louise Dearman, for example, who was adored because she was in "definitive" in Wicked. Then she wasn't. And those "fans" evaporated. But to me Jaye was absolutely definitive in how I want that part sung, acted and interpreted. I'm sure Dearman was too (especially in Wicked). I'm sure she was "special" and the next big thing, too. I am also seasoned enough to know the likes of Abigail Jaye isn't a superstar, no matter how perfect I thought personally she was in the role. There were brilliant performances before, and since, playing the part. I thought she was special, though. Now - I saw Cabaret, and I've seen it elsewhere many, many times with other interpretations of who and what Sally is, the quality of the singing, the quality of the acting and the general stage presence. It all comes down to opinions and taste, as you rightly remind us, but I am not coming on here suggesting Abigail Jaye is "special" just because I thought she was exceptional. It was the right role at the right time. Being a "once in a generation talent" is subjective enough as it is, without inevitably everyone else saying "well, why isn't my favourite musical performer special?". Ramin is special. Carrie is special. Boggess is special. Donnelly is special. They are leading hit shows,so they must be, right? Standards are desperately low right now, in my opinion, because everyone and anyone can take leads now, with the right exposure. The days of learning your craft are gone, nowadays if you're famous enough you learn on the job. Quality is secondary to sales. I really can't think of any generational talents. Even performers I hugely admire and were incredibly influential in their roles at the time (eg Idina in Wicked) have fluctuations in output. I don't think she's "special". She has done extremely well and I am a huge fan, but she isn't a "generational talent" despite Let it Go abd Wicked. Jessie Buckley, when assessed coming from someone who actually quite likes her, is absolutely great as an actress - and a joy to watch. But she's at her level right now - in fact, with her failure to perform so often (I'm not getting into that again for why and how etc) if anything it's showing that perhaps doing West End musicals isn't for her.
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Post by filendile on Mar 15, 2022 22:34:31 GMT
Sounds like vocal issues to me in those youtube clips. She held the last note of Cabaret for 3 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 22:36:45 GMT
Being a "once in a generation talent" is objective enough as it is Not in the slightest, there is nothing objective about it beyond the objective question of whether someone is on pitch or not, as that can be measured and there is a right or wrong answer. Everything else is wholly subjective and what constitutes "once in a generation" talent to one person will be entirely different to someone else's viewpoint on it.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 15, 2022 22:40:19 GMT
Being a "once in a generation talent" is objective enough as it is Not in the slightest, there is nothing objective about it beyond the objective question of whether someone is on pitch or not, as that can be measured and there is a right or wrong answer. Everything else is wholly subjective and what constitutes "once in a generation" talent to one person will be entirely different to someone else's viewpoint on it. Do you know what, sorry you're absolutely right - it's my birthday, I've had a few shandies and I've gone and confused objective and subjective 🤣 I meant subjective!
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Post by andrew on Mar 15, 2022 22:41:16 GMT
Sounds like vocal issues to me in those youtube clips. She held the last note of Cabaret for 3 seconds. This is an acting choice - if you actually watched the show instead of judging from a YouTube audio you'd understand. Yes, vocal issues is why she's missing shows but she has been singing the ending like that since the first preview (sometimes she holds the note for a long time but mostly she doesn't). The ending note on Mein Herr is higher than the Cabaret one and she does sustain that for a while, and quite impressively.
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Post by NorthernAlien on Mar 15, 2022 23:21:54 GMT
I too have found the bootlegs, and that version of 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me' might be both the most haunting and the creepiest thing I have ever heard - which I'm going to guess is what they're going for. I do wish I could see this with Redmayne in it, but I'd be coming in from Scotland, and both the logistics of that, and the cost of the tickets have conspired to mean it hasn't happened.
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Post by shambles on Mar 15, 2022 23:50:16 GMT
They were definitely going for both those things. The staging was very creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 23:56:19 GMT
Not in the slightest, there is nothing objective about it beyond the objective question of whether someone is on pitch or not, as that can be measured and there is a right or wrong answer. Everything else is wholly subjective and what constitutes "once in a generation" talent to one person will be entirely different to someone else's viewpoint on it. Do you know what, sorry you're absolutely right - it's my birthday, I've had a few shandies and I've gone and confused objective and subjective 🤣 I meant subjective! No worries, I was a bit confused as the rest of your post didnt seem as if you were saying everything was objective! Happy birthday!
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Post by lonlad on Mar 16, 2022 0:17:30 GMT
Is Buckley doing ANY shows during this, her final week .... She looked fine at the Baftas !
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Post by zephyrus on Mar 16, 2022 9:55:38 GMT
Is Buckley doing ANY shows during this, her final week .... She looked fine at the Baftas ! She was on last night!
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Post by theatrefan77 on Mar 16, 2022 11:31:26 GMT
Is Buckley doing ANY shows during this, her final week .... She looked fine at the Baftas ! She was on last night! Surprise!
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Post by shadypines on Mar 16, 2022 14:01:24 GMT
There are £70 tickets in the stalls in April available right now. They have great leg room and a shelf for drinks as I've on seat plan. What dates and what specific seats please? If I can’t go I’m sure people would like to know this. The 2 I saw were in row J of the stalls but they seem to be snapped up now. There's a single £70 in the dress circle on 1 April. Row G
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 16, 2022 17:40:56 GMT
Cast at a pre-Oliviers nominees lunch today. I assume they all made it in time for the matinee?
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Post by jaggy on Mar 16, 2022 17:47:07 GMT
Cast at a pre-Oliviers nominees lunch today. I assume they all made it in time for the matinee?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 17:49:56 GMT
Because attending lunch really makes a difference to a vocal problem...
Really what is the point in going round in circles here again? It's certainly not entertaining.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 16, 2022 18:22:48 GMT
I think some people on this thread believe the only kind of ill is the kind of ill where you feel so poorly you are unable to leave your bed
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Post by craig on Mar 16, 2022 18:49:15 GMT
I think some people on this thread believe the only kind of ill is the kind of ill where you feel so poorly you are unable to leave your bed Oh, come on! It is not a good look! I could be fired for being pictured out and about whilst off work sick. If you’re sick, you rest as much as possible to get back to work as soon as possible.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 16, 2022 19:19:02 GMT
She didn't just turn up and crash the event. The production team will have told her to go.
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Post by craig on Mar 16, 2022 19:40:04 GMT
She didn't just turn up and crash the event. The production team will have told her to go. Sure. I’m not necessarily criticising her. I just think it’s a terrible look, whoever is responsible.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 16, 2022 20:05:41 GMT
At this point I’ll be glad when she’s gone. I was lucky to have actually caught the Lesser Seen Buckley- but nearly everyone I know who’s been recently has had the understudy (who they almost all roundly disliked)
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Post by budd on Mar 16, 2022 20:42:08 GMT
At this point I’ll be glad when she’s gone. I was lucky to have actually caught the Lesser Seen Buckley- but nearly everyone I know who’s been recently has had the understudy (who they almost all roundly disliked) I'm sorry but why must you always adopt such a nasty tone? More often than not, it's deeply unpleasant encountering one of your posts, also with what you posted on the Legally Blonde thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 20:57:12 GMT
I think some people on this thread believe the only kind of ill is the kind of ill where you feel so poorly you are unable to leave your bed Oh, come on! It is not a good look! I could be fired for being pictured out and about whilst off work sick. If you’re sick, you rest as much as possible to get back to work as soon as possible. She was working this morning! And she isn't off sick in the sense of being confined to her bed, she seems to be on an agreed reduced schedule to deal with a specific ailment that affects specific parts of her body she needs to do this job. Your argument effectively means that anyone with any kind of condition that limits their ability to do their job full time shouldn't be allowed out, which I'm sure isnt what you meant!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 21:05:50 GMT
It's a terrible look. On producers, and on her. It's a terrible look.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 22:30:34 GMT
Just asking for a friend-be kind If Cabaret went to Broadway with the current leads, how would the Broadway audience feel if Jessie Buckley missed a lot of performances The audience may want to see an Oscar nominated actress ( May also be a winner),but instead she is regularly absent Just asking L Asking for a friend? Really??
Probably exactly the same way they did when Emma Stone was in Cabaret and missed alot of performances.
Or when Bernadette Peters did Gypsy, or any other numerous times this has happened. A big name missing shows isnt anything new.
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