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Post by sleepflower on Mar 14, 2021 15:48:28 GMT
Seen these tweets today. I have not seen the lists on the theatres but I really do not want to be supporting predators with my money.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 14, 2021 15:59:51 GMT
I am not sure about this as a way of tackling the issues she is seeking to raise.
Any list of this nature has to be based on incontrovertible facts. Allegations/rumours/beliefs are not enough no matter how well intentioned they are.
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Post by talkingheads on Mar 14, 2021 16:37:58 GMT
It's a double edged sword. Any list must be backed up by incontrovertible evidence or face a lawsuit. Conversely, not sharing the names to warn people of them is equally useless.
I read a similar thread with lots of comments about an abuser in the comedy industry. Not one person named him.
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Post by sleepflower on Mar 14, 2021 17:28:20 GMT
I agree that evidence is needed, however it is hard to have evidence of some of these things. I think corroborating allegations from more than one person is a strong start and should be investigated, and I will always side with the victim. They have very little to gain from making anonymous allegations.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 14, 2021 17:54:24 GMT
But a spreadsheet being shared on twitter is not the place to record allegations.
In recent months I have had to deal with investigations into inappropriate behaviour and the details were not placed in the public domain. But robust action was taken.
Safeguarding is vital but so is the concept of innocent until proven guilty. And I do appreciate that not all of the inappropriate behaviours fall into the realm of the criminal law. But that standard is a useful baseline for how things should be handled.
This is not about sweeping things under the carpet. It is about hearing a complaint, dealing with it sensitively and allowing the alleged perpetrator the opportunity to respond before decisions are taken.
The Royal Court produced fantastic policy statements about safeguarding in the arts. That is the foundation for how I handled matters.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Mar 14, 2021 20:17:31 GMT
I’ve seen photos of the posters. Most of the names do not surprise me.
I’m not sure if people who don’t work in the industry realise how open sexual abuse and harassment is, or how much infamous predators are protected. There are sets and rehearsal rooms where certain men are not allowed to be alone with women, or even in some cases not allowed to be alone with children, because the company knows he is dangerous. If you have enough knowledge to hire people to ensure someone isn’t alone with women, you have enough knowledge not to cast or hire them in the first place.
What Helen is doing which is so valuable is collating hundreds of reports to see which names keep appearing. I’ve had many conversations this week and before with young actors expressing, “I want to report but what happened wasn’t bad enough for the police, and I’ve not heard anyone else complain, maybe I’m the only one who had a problem with him, maybe it’s my fault.” If you know six other women feel the same and are potentially willing to speak up that might change your mind about reporting.
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Post by imstillhere on Mar 14, 2021 21:00:39 GMT
I think if I had to pick a side I think this is for the best. Where can I see a photos of the poster please?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 14, 2021 21:04:08 GMT
Please do not share those images in public. For the sake of the forum, it is important to be careful about such matters.
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Post by lynette on Mar 14, 2021 21:21:40 GMT
Please do not share those images in public. For the sake of the forum, it is important to be careful about such matters. Thank you, oxfordsimon. I expect you can find images on other platforms.but we need to be careful here. |
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Post by joem on Mar 24, 2021 23:33:57 GMT
If you believe accusation without evidence is acceptable you do not believe in justice, fairness or democracy. You cannot simply condemn someone on the basis that you don't like him/her or that he/she looks shifty. Well you can, but it's beyond contemptible.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Mar 25, 2021 11:09:13 GMT
You can certainly privately condemn them on the basis that 20 actors you know have reported being harassed by them, and that is exactly what producers should be doing: due diligence to keep employees and freelancers safe.
Everyone in the industry knows who the abusers are.
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