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Post by theatreian on Feb 2, 2021 17:31:39 GMT
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Post by alece10 on Feb 2, 2021 17:36:22 GMT
And fulfilled one of his bucket list wishes to go to Barbados for Christmas So sad but he did so much good in such a short time.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 2, 2021 17:53:06 GMT
So sad, such a treasure.
I only wish he had the vaccine before he flew to Barbados. :-(
RIP, what a legacy he will leave.
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Post by peggs on Feb 2, 2021 18:05:21 GMT
Oh that's crap, I mean at his age not surprising but rubbish never the less.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 3, 2021 13:28:30 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 3, 2021 14:48:06 GMT
I feel angry every time I see Captain Tom or clap for carers/the NHS or any of that stuff as it has just come to symbolise this country's unending appetite for Tory propaganda! Its so infuriating! It's all hollow gestures, lip service and virtue signalling when their actions and policies prove the exact opposite. And yet the public lap it up. They can and do get away with everything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 15:47:00 GMT
I'm not angry, as his fundraising idea was good and any money raised for the NHS is well-deserved, but I do think that he was rather over-lauded when so many people fundraise for good causes just because they want to help and don't get anywhere near that kind of publicity.
My reason for not clapping tonight is because I learned from this thread that he went on holiday to Barbados over Christmas. In the current circumstances that was both irresponsible and disrespectful to those he was raising money for, and putting others at risk. The fact it was always probably going to be his last holiday and a bucket list trip is irrelevant. So many people haven't had that option, so the fact he (or his family) chose to do it is galling and has lost my respect.
I will be sitting inside at 6pm quietly remembering all those who have died in this pandemic without having fancy holidays or loved ones with them at the end instead.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 3, 2021 16:15:19 GMT
I guess everyone has their own view on this. The outpouring of tributes from such a wide range of people from all over the world , including the Queen shows how well thought of he was. I expect this clap was just to give everyone who wishes to an opportunity to give their own tribute. The fact his family are taking part shows they are happy for it to take place.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 17:52:33 GMT
I'm not angry, as his fundraising idea was good and any money raised for the NHS is well-deserved, but I do think that he was rather over-lauded when so many people fundraise for good causes just because they want to help and don't get anywhere near that kind of publicity. My reason for not clapping tonight is because I learned from this thread that he went on holiday to Barbados over Christmas. In the current circumstances that was both irresponsible and disrespectful to those he was raising money for, and putting others at risk. The fact it was always probably going to be his last holiday and a bucket list trip is irrelevant. So many people haven't had that option, so the fact he (or his family) chose to do it is galling and has lost my respect. I will be sitting inside at 6pm quietly remembering all those who have died in this pandemic without having fancy holidays or loved ones with them at the end instead. Oh thank God...someone finally said it. I mean who takes a 100 year old man on a 9 hour flight to a country where the temperature is 30 degrees different to the one they are used to in the middle of a global pandemic and doesn't think it is a complete recipe for disaster. I don't know who to be angrier at, the family or British Airways who apparently offered them the trip in the first place no doubt as some kind of promo stunt. The only time I'll start clapping is when people regain their senses and call this what it is, gross negligence on behalf of ALL the people involved.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 18:11:47 GMT
I feel angry every time I see Captain Tom or clap for carers/the NHS or any of that stuff as it has just come to symbolise this country's unending appetite for Tory propaganda! Its so infuriating! It's all hollow gestures, lip service and virtue signalling when their actions and policies prove the exact opposite. And yet the public lap it up. They can and do get away with everything. Seconded, couldn't articulate it better myself. I've lit a candle instead - it's not just Sir Captain Tom. It's everyone.
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 3, 2021 19:25:51 GMT
It is very British to like their spirits lifted with a good news story in times of desperation and Captain Sir Tom Moore was the perfect conduit for this.
I thought it was dreadful he got a knighthood when there were a lot more people more deserving. I mean for walking up and down the garden a hundred times.
I also agree it is very selfish he went to Barbados, in the current circumstances. No different to that hideous Rita Ora.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 20:05:12 GMT
I honestly can’t believe I’m reading such a series of deeply unpleasant, vindictive posts on a thread called ‘RIP Captain Sir Tom Moore’.
Particularly baffled that one vitriolic comment was liked by someone who told me in another thread “Why insult, it is just plain rude, bitter and comes across so negative?” and “It's a place to champion theatre and performers, not personally attack“.
What on earth is wrong with you all?!
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 20:23:51 GMT
It is very British to like their spirits lifted with a good news story in times of desperation and Captain Sir Tom Moore was the perfect conduit for this. I thought it was dreadful he got a knighthood when there were a lot more people more deserving. I mean for walking up and down the garden a hundred times. I also agree it is very selfish he went to Barbados, in the current circumstances. No different to that hideous Rita Ora. Rita Ora. Do. Not. Get. Me. Started.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 20:26:39 GMT
I honestly can’t believe I’m reading such a series of deeply unpleasant, vindictive posts on a thread called ‘RIP Captain Sir Tom Moore’. Particularly baffled that one vitriolic comment was liked by someone who told me in another thread “Why insult, it is just plain rude, bitter and comes across so negative?” and “It's a place to champion theatre and performers, not personally attack“. What on earth is wrong with you all?! That would be me, Jean. It's OK, you can just say, '...one vitriolic comment was liked by burgundy.' There you go, fixed. You were being very rude I thought towards a performer in the other thread about Lauren Drew. I stand by what I've said previously, and also it seems like a few others agree with me. His family have been selfish in taking him abroad. I appreciate it was a bucket list, but we're in a pandemic. I've never at any point disrespected Sir Captain Tom. He has left an incredible legacy. I take offence at the Tory government using this again as a PR opportunity for the NHS they have failed; others have raised VERY VALID points. As explained previously, I have chosen to remember Sir Captain Tom Moore by lighting a candle. Please don't assume when I clearly written that in black and white.
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Post by stevemar on Feb 3, 2021 20:37:51 GMT
I am very saddened to read some of the comments on this thread about Captain Sir Tom Moore and his family:
1/ He and his family didn’t openly court publicity, but of course the Radio 2 and BBC Breakfast appearances started the ball rolling, and things took over from there. As far as I can see, they only used the publicity for good things – to thank the NHS staff and raise monies through interviews, then the book and single.
2/ Of course, putting themselves in the public arena means that some people think they have the right to comment on them, and some of the comments here are grossly unfair and disrespectful.
3/ I genuinely belief that the clap this evening was out of respect for him. We can all mark our respect for him and others our own way also. But I am no supporter of Boris, and it is a shame that his life and death may have become politicised to the cynical amongst us. If you want to have a go at the government (and I’d happily join in), there are other threads to do that.
4/ The Barbados trip was courtesy of British Airways and Barbados Tourism as a thank you to him. It was taken before the travel restrictions were imposed. So entirely legal and not comparable to Rita Ora or others who have actually broken the rules. (Sure, Rita Ora can probably sing better than him).
5/ I am sure the family thought carefully about it, and no doubt they had many other offers which they may have turned down. They have never sought to benefit themselves.
6/ He certainly did not merely walk up and down 100 times. He understood what it was to be an inspiration to others, tackle loneliness and use his voice to give hope. Of course many people have done great work and not been knighted.
He was the right man, at the right time and in the right place, and certainly to me is the epitome of a modern day hero. No, he is not perfect, he’s human but an inspiration to me and many others.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 3, 2021 20:38:50 GMT
RIP Captain Tom.
I’m cynical enough to be sure that we haven’t heard the last about him, since the news coverage that drove the enormous amount of donations was generated by his daughter, who I believe is a professional publicist.
I am quite surprised to see a suggestion that he and his family didn’t court the publicity. They did interviews with every major news organisations, multiple media engagements a day, over multiple days. They achieved blanket media coverage. That doesn’t happen without a lot of work, no matter how feel-good the story is.
There were plenty of other heart-warming fundraisers who didn’t get the same coverage.
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Post by vdcni on Feb 3, 2021 21:20:20 GMT
So surprisingly the government can be bothered to care about someone's death.
One out of 100 thousand plus ain't bad I suppose.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 22:04:49 GMT
I am very saddened to read some of the comments on this thread about Captain Sir Tom Moore and his family: 4/ The Barbados trip was courtesy of British Airways and Barbados Tourism as a thank you to him. It was taken before the travel restrictions were imposed. So entirely legal and not comparable to Rita Ora or others who have actually broken the rules. (Sure, Rita Ora can probably sing better than him). There is a thing called common sense. Anyone following 'Government rules' with this government is a complete idiot, so the fact he wasn't 'breaking rules' is completely moot. As far as SCIENCE goes, no one should be travelling anywhere since March last year, especially international and especially from a country with a new highly contagious strain of the virus. I have nothing but admiration for the man and for his efforts and IMO he deserves all the praise he got. But I'm sorry there is something very wrong here from ALL involved. I am even more shocked that any of his doctors would allow them to take him and I'm pretty sure they did it without/against doctors permission. He was 100 years old for God's sake.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Feb 3, 2021 22:35:18 GMT
I am very saddened to read some of the comments on this thread about Captain Sir Tom Moore and his family: 4/ The Barbados trip was courtesy of British Airways and Barbados Tourism as a thank you to him. It was taken before the travel restrictions were imposed. So entirely legal and not comparable to Rita Ora or others who have actually broken the rules. (Sure, Rita Ora can probably sing better than him). There is a thing called common sense. Anyone following 'Government rules' with this government is a complete idiot, so the fact he wasn't 'breaking rules' is completely moot. As far as SCIENCE goes, no one should be travelling anywhere since March last year, especially international and especially from a country with a new highly contagious strain of the virus. I have nothing but admiration for the man and for his efforts and IMO he deserves all the praise he got. But I'm sorry there is something very wrong here from ALL involved. I am even more shocked that any of his doctors would allow them to take him and I'm pretty sure they did it without/against doctors permission. He was 100 years old for God's sake. He was a sweetheart, but vulnerable. When I say that - I mean his publicist daughter taking advantage of him. So yes. I have more of an issue with his family and it doesn’t sit right with me. I feel like they did it more for them and not with his best interests in mind. If my grandad was still here, I would NEVER, in a million years fly him abroad in a pandemic. It’s selfish and it is double standards. And if you even try to argue with me on this - you’re ignorant. I would never put my family member at risk to jet abroad; I appreciate the rules were different before lockdown 3:0 but my stance is pretty clear. My condolences to them, but also to all those other families who have lost loved ones during this horrible time. That’s all I’m going to say now on this thread, have a nice evening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 23:05:26 GMT
I 4/ The Barbados trip was courtesy of British Airways and Barbados Tourism as a thank you to him. It was taken before the travel restrictions were imposed. So entirely legal and not comparable to Rita Ora or others who have actually broken the rules. (Sure, Rita Ora can probably sing better than him).[ No. Whether it was legal or not is completely irrelevant. We are and were in the middle of a pandemic where travel is a huge risk in any circumstances, and he (or his family, as I doubt it was entirely his decision) took the risk of travelling on a long haul flight they didn't need to take, risking the health of all concerned and in particular a 100 year old man who no doubt due to his age was in the highest risk category. Not to mention putting many others at risk. It was nothing but a slap in the face to the very NHS he was raising money for, as well as everyone who has lost their lives to this disease. It was undoubtedly the wrong thing to do and deserves criticism just as much as idiots like Rita Ora. And no-one could have been surprised he caught pneumonia shortly after returning from a hot country to a freezing cold one. Captain Sir Tom did a great thing in fundraising for the NHS, but so have many others, and his good deed does not entitle him to be treated like a saint or given any more prominence than the 100,000+ others who have died of covid.
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 3, 2021 23:22:24 GMT
It is no coincidence that he travelled 18 - 20 hours at 100 years old and dropped dead. So going on holiday has put an extra burden on the organisation he purported to support.
Maybe he should’ve walked up and down his balcony 100 times.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 3, 2021 23:25:07 GMT
There were plenty of other heart-warming fundraisers who didn’t get the same coverage. Yes there were, but none raised 33 million pounds or were aged 100. As to the clap tonight it was not just for Captain Sir Tom. 'Mr Johnson said the clap would also be for "all those health workers for whom he raised money' Anyway lots did join in the clap and are maybe not so cynical as no one can argue against the effect the man had last year. As to the Barbados holiday , I myself think it was not the best thing to do, but that does not detract from the effect the man had. I did not quite credit that starting this thread, it would have turned out quite so badly.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 23:25:48 GMT
I 4/ The Barbados trip was courtesy of British Airways and Barbados Tourism as a thank you to him. It was taken before the travel restrictions were imposed. So entirely legal and not comparable to Rita Ora or others who have actually broken the rules. (Sure, Rita Ora can probably sing better than him).[ And no-one could have been surprised he caught pneumonia shortly after returning from a hot country to a freezing cold one. This along with the flight itself is what really gets me. I mean do people not know how taxing long haul flying is on the human body, let alone on a 100 year old man? I am 50 and I travel a lot and nearly always get some kind of illness (usually minor) after long flights and temperature changes and I am 110kgs of muscle and very healthy. I am disgusted the most by British Airways as they were obviously using him as promo to say 'see everyone it's safe, just jump on a plane and travel again' and it backfired at the cost of this poor mans life.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 23:26:31 GMT
It is no coincidence that he travelled 18 - 20 hours at 100 years old and dropped dead. So going on holiday has put an extra burden on the organisation he purported to support. Maybe he should’ve walked up and down his balcony 100 times. OMG PMSL!!!
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 3, 2021 23:28:34 GMT
There were plenty of other heart-warming fundraisers who didn’t get the same coverage. Yes there were, but none raised 33 million pounds or were aged 100. As to the clap tonight it was not just for Captain Sir Tom. 'Mr Johnson said the clap would also be for "all those health workers for whom he raised money' Anyway lots did join in the clap and are maybe not so cynical as no one can argue against the effect the man had last year. As to the Barbados holiday , I myself think it was not the best thing to do, but that does not detract from the effect the man had. I did not quite credit that starting this thread, it would have turned out quite so badly. I don't think anyone here is blaming him and I don't think the thread has turned out badly. It's the only factual discussion I have seen on the matter on the entire internet x
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