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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 20:40:55 GMT
It looked amazing, the attention to detail is fantastic, but I thought the story was a bit of a mess. It tried to answer big questions, but didn't really land for me. I was left confused at end. Yep, confused by a kids film. I thought Jamie Fox, Tina Fey and Graham Norton were excellent.
Joe only wants to play Jazz, as inspired by his father, but works in a school music department, where not everyone is interested, but 1 girl is, and is great on the trombone.
Why isn't Joe's spark to be to inspire others in music and Jazz, like his father inspired him.
I thought the 'message' was all a bit Meh...
Edit, i don't know what i've done there... and now don't know how to correct it!
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Dec 28, 2020 1:43:24 GMT
It looked amazing, the attention to detail is fantastic, but I thought the story was a bit of a mess. It tried to answer big questions, but didn't really land for me. I was left confused at end. Yep, confused by a kids film. I thought Jamie Fox, Tina Fey and Graham Norton were excellent.
Joe only wants to play Jazz, as inspired by his father, but works in a school music department, where not everyone is interested, but 1 girl is, and is great on the trombone.
Why isn't Joe's spark to be to inspire others in music and Jazz, like his father inspired him.
I thought the 'message' was all a bit Meh...
Edit, i don't know what i've done there... and now don't know how to correct it!
I think you've misunderstood the film. Although we're led to believe throughout the film that everyone has a singular passion or purpose which is your spark for life and reason for living, this is not the conclusion the film comes to by the end. Joe believes this to be the case but his perception is wrong - our spark is not one singular passion or purpose like his music career or his talent for teaching/inspiring others, our spark is simply our will to live and that can be found in the big things like a music career but also in the little things like eating a good slice of pie alone in a diner at night or spending the evening on a beach with someone you love. It's all living and it's all valuable, maybe to varying degrees for different people but as long as you appreciate it all and are present for it all then you're living life to the fullest. That's what Joe vows to do at the end of the film and we're left to imagine how he'll fulfill that promise to himself. I think it's a beautiful film in both a literal and metaphorical sense and I think it's encouraging to those who feel inadequate or left behind by people with singular goals and incredible drive and an important lesson to those with that goal oriented mindset not to restrict themselves too much because that kind of thinking often leads to burnout and leaves you with a sense of "What now?" once you do achieve your goals as Joe felt after his gig. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 4:41:17 GMT
I got the whole appreciate everything around you bit, and thought it all a bit trite, but why have the whole 'you cant go to earth until you find your spark' bit, if you only have to appreciate everything in life.
And for Joe to play 1 gig and then wonder what to do with the rest of his life, is just silly. This is what he's wanted all his life, why not continue to do it.
Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention enough, but for me it didn't land, like it obviously did for you, and that was disappointing. I usually cry at a Pixar film and this just has me rolling my eyes.
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Post by Mark on Dec 28, 2020 6:32:59 GMT
I also wasn’t 100% convinced by this one. Good concept but poorly executed.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 28, 2020 10:05:40 GMT
I loved it. My parents were a bit ‘meh’.
I think the ‘spark’ they’re meant to find is simply the thing that ‘sparks joy’ (Marie Kondo-like), so it doesn’t matter what it is. And they need it, because let’s face it life is tough enough that you need to be able to find joy in something to get through it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:12:41 GMT
I have been reading a few things about the making of Soul today. Apparently in early screentests, the Spark was called the Why, as in, Why are we here, but younger audiences didnt take to it, so it was changed. Also, there is an excellent article about the ending of Soul here, from Den Of Geek. Originally the ending wasn't so ambiguous and at 1 stage Joe did become a teacher. www.denofgeek.com/movies/soul-ending-explained-what-happens-to-joe/#disqus_thread |
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jan 4, 2021 11:56:16 GMT
Didn't enjoy it, mostly because I don't care about Jazz at all, but knew that before. Felt the whole netaphysical story was just there to allow for an hour of body-swap silliness and didn't really explain much. Compared to that 'Inside Out' was genius and the 'do what you love' and 'love of music' was much better expressed in 'Coco' imo. But just my opinion, everyone else seems to love it. Loved Graham Norton and Tina Fey though.  |
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Post by robertb213 on Jan 4, 2021 12:39:46 GMT
It only half-landed for me as well. Loved the initial concept of what makes us 'us' and the many mentors of 22, but then I started to zone out from the body-swap onwards, and they seemed to change their minds on what they were trying to say by the end. Inside Out I absolutely loved, but this didn't hit the mark nearly so well for me.
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