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Post by alece10 on Dec 16, 2020 12:25:31 GMT
Item on BBC news this morning saying that ethnic minorities are less inclined to have the vaccine than white people in England. They then asked people in the street whether they would have one or not and one man said that he had heard on WhatsApp that the vaccine contained a chip that was being injected into you so he didn't want one. Now I know chips are pretty small these days but it would have to be a bloody big needle to be able to inject a chip!
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Post by poster J on Dec 16, 2020 13:20:57 GMT
Item on BBC news this morning saying that ethnic minorities are less inclined to have the vaccine than white people in England. They then asked people in the street whether they would have one or not and one man said that he had heard on WhatsApp that the vaccine contained a chip that was being injected into you so he didn't want one. Now I know chips are pretty small these days but it would have to be a bloody big needle to be able to inject a chip! Just when I think people can't be any more stupid, idiots like that come along! Are they incapable of engaging the single brain cell required to work out that is nonsense? I think anyone who decides not to have the vaccine should be pressed to give a plausible excuse. For 99.9% of people, there isn't one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 14:10:45 GMT
Item on BBC news this morning saying that ethnic minorities are less inclined to have the vaccine than white people in England. They then asked people in the street whether they would have one or not and one man said that he had heard on WhatsApp that the vaccine contained a chip that was being injected into you so he didn't want one. Now I know chips are pretty small these days but it would have to be a bloody big needle to be able to inject a chip! Just when I think people can't be any more stupid, idiots like that come along! Are they incapable of engaging the single brain cell required to work out that is nonsense? I think anyone who decides not to have the vaccine should be pressed to give a plausible excuse. For 99.9% of people, there isn't one. Ha. Think the issue is people have forgotten how to think for themselves. They read any old repost on social media and take it for legitimate fact. The art of thought and careful consideration has disappeared.
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Post by distantcousin on Dec 16, 2020 15:05:31 GMT
My personal theory is that if vaccines all came in tablet form for example, there'd be far less anti-vaxxers. I wouldn't be so sure. It's astonishing how far from rationality people will get in order to cling to a belief.
Hmm, I've said the same thing most of this year, but not for the same reasons as you, I'm sure...
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 16, 2020 16:37:06 GMT
Item on BBC news this morning ... Is the wrong answer.
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Post by zahidf on Dec 16, 2020 23:16:16 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 17, 2020 0:02:16 GMT
Loved Mock the Week a couple of weeks back, which is my go to programme if I need a laugh out loud.
They equated, generally the people who are as anti vaxxers look like the sort of people who would eat Iceland frozen sausages.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 17, 2020 0:05:26 GMT
Item on BBC news this morning saying that ethnic minorities are less inclined to have the vaccine than white people in England. They then asked people in the street whether they would have one or not and one man said that he had heard on WhatsApp that the vaccine contained a chip that was being injected into you so he didn't want one. Now I know chips are pretty small these days but it would have to be a bloody big needle to be able to inject a chip! In that t case it is better to inject them not in the upper arm, but further up. A good case of a chip on your shoulder.
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Post by jojo on Dec 17, 2020 7:33:44 GMT
Just when I think people can't be any more stupid, idiots like that come along! Are they incapable of engaging the single brain cell required to work out that is nonsense? I think anyone who decides not to have the vaccine should be pressed to give a plausible excuse. For 99.9% of people, there isn't one. Ha. Think the issue is people have forgotten how to think for themselves. They read any old repost on social media and take it for legitimate fact. The art of thought and careful consideration has disappeared. There's a school of thought that conspiracy theories are popular because they make stupid people/lazy thinkers feel intelligent without having to put the work in of a proper education. By discovering some 'truth' online, and not falling for the narrative promoted in the evil mainstream media, they are being the smart ones, proving their independent thinking skills. IMO, there is sometimes something in that, and there are definitely some people who think they have got one over on the man, and are vain enough to think they have outsmarted the sheeple, but a lot of the time these are people who don't trust the authorities for whatever reason, or who don't routinely watch the news or whose lives don't involve reading popular science books by responsible authors.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 17, 2020 8:20:29 GMT
jojo I think you are right ... power to the people ...we've had enough of experts ... liberal elite ... Brussels bureaucrats ....
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Post by The Matthew on Dec 17, 2020 10:34:24 GMT
There's a school of thought that conspiracy theories are popular because they make stupid people/lazy thinkers feel intelligent without having to put the work in of a proper education. By discovering some 'truth' online, and not falling for the narrative promoted in the evil mainstream media, they are being the smart ones, proving their independent thinking skills. Scientific matters in particular seem to be a problem, because people tend to think that anything they don't understand must be wrong and an awful lot of science can be hard to get your head around unless you have a thorough knowledge of the concepts behind it. So instead of "Perhaps these people who have had an interest in science all their lives might understand it better than I do" it's "I don't see how vaccines can work so it's clearly a heinous scheme to pump my body full of demons".
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Post by lichtie on Dec 17, 2020 10:41:06 GMT
Which is also why scientists nowdays need to be better communicators (I'll include myself in this just to be clear as that's what I do for a day job). But since this is a theatre board it might also help if more creative types were willing to engage with science too, and help with that communication process as well.
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Post by saral on Dec 23, 2020 16:49:13 GMT
Has anyone seen a plan to include the, say, under 55s in the vaccine jab as default, or is it an assumption. Under that age without pre-existing and the dangers are very minimal, aren't they?
Once us oldies and the vulnerable are done don't we just get on with things ...
The categories I saw were down to 50 year olds, they did say younger people would be done after that, as I think there was some mention at the beginning that under 50's were not being done
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Post by kathryn on Dec 23, 2020 22:01:15 GMT
There's a school of thought that conspiracy theories are popular because they make stupid people/lazy thinkers feel intelligent without having to put the work in of a proper education. By discovering some 'truth' online, and not falling for the narrative promoted in the evil mainstream media, they are being the smart ones, proving their independent thinking skills. Scientific matters in particular seem to be a problem, because people tend to think that anything they don't understand must be wrong and an awful lot of science can be hard to get your head around unless you have a thorough knowledge of the concepts behind it. So instead of "Perhaps these people who have had an interest in science all their lives might understand it better than I do" it's "I don't see how vaccines can work so it's clearly a heinous scheme to pump my body full of demons". People now have access to more information at their literal fingertips than at any time in history. What they don’t have is more ability to understand that information. So we have information overload - people just can’t filter through all the information they get, to make sense of what is significant, what is irrelevant, and what is false or misleading. And what is worse, now that people have access to so much more information than in the past, they no longer trust the authorities who used to filter, curate and contextualise information for wider public consumption. It’s a recipe for disaster.
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Post by anthony40 on Dec 24, 2020 8:30:19 GMT
I have been pondering the decision and will have it.
Currently this new strain of the virus is out of control.
Although I had a scare (a reaction to the flu injection) I have kept to myself and am lucky enough to have not caught the virus but realise that if I want to travel anywhere or even return back home to visit my family, to avoid quarantine they're going to want to see paperwork confirming that you're Covid free.
For me, a 23-hour flight back to Sydney, Australia in a face mask is bad enough and then having to quarantine for two weeks on top of that is unbearable.
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Post by olliebean on Dec 24, 2020 14:37:10 GMT
What concerns me is that this more transmissible variant has increased the threshold for herd immunity, meaning that if as many people don't get the vaccine as the polls suggest, it's flipped from just about enough for herd immunity to almost certainly not enough for herd immunity.
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Post by jojo on Dec 30, 2020 14:27:14 GMT
I'm hoping that they will prioritise distribution of the vaccine to areas where the new strain has become prevalent, in the hope of bringing it under control, but I can see that causing upset.
Not that I'm suggesting no vaccine to the rest of the country until London is saved, but there are parts of the country where the NHS is at severe risk of being overwhelmed, and I think only the most cold hearted Orcadians would demand they get priority.
People in rural areas were understandably angry at possibly diseased Londoners "escaping" to the country with the virus before Christmas, but I saw some comments that gave the impression they thought that the people who live in big houses with big gardens in small villages with one CO-OP, a pub with a substantial beer gardens and no public transport had 'worked harder' to suppress the virus than Londoners with their cramped housing, over-subscribed schools and the tube.
The most deprived, and most densely populated parts of the country have been hit the hardest, so I would be happy for those areas to get extra attention in terms of vaccine provision.
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Post by jojo on Dec 31, 2020 8:18:18 GMT
I hate to reply to myself, but I just read something really interesting about the approach to taking two doses.
If you had two parents in their 80s and two doses of the vaccine now, would you want to give them both to one of them (three weeks apart), so one of them is 'fully protected', or give both one dose, so they are both partially protected from infection, and both 'fully protected' from becoming ill enough to be hospitalised.
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Post by zak97 on Dec 31, 2020 9:47:13 GMT
I hate to reply to myself, but I just read something really interesting about the approach to taking two doses. If you had two parents in their 80s and two doses of the vaccine now, would you want to give them both to one of them (three weeks apart), so one of them is 'fully protected', or give both one dose, so they are both partially protected from infection, and both 'fully protected' from becoming ill enough to be hospitalised. Just my initial reaction, but does that approach not need to assume that anybody of an ‘elderly age’ would shield and not go outside at all - that way the none vaccinated individual remains protected, or otherwise the non vaccinated person remains home indefinitely whilst the vaccinated person goes to do the shopping etc. The more ethical question that did come to mind was how would it be determined which individual of a pair would be vaccinated assuming there is no significant difference in the vulnerability of the two individuals - would it rely on randomness?
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Post by jojo on Dec 31, 2020 14:36:01 GMT
It's an interesting thought experiment, because you go through those permutations, and every option brings a new problem.
As people are more likely to catch COVID from someone they live with than someone at the supermarket, you really need everyone in the household to take extra precautions until high risk people get vaccine protection.
Most of my elderly neighbours insist on going to the shops themselves, despite offers of help. I'm not sure how many older people without specific medical concerns actually did shield, or how many continue to do so.
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Post by vickyg on Jan 8, 2021 11:52:50 GMT
Well... I had the first dose yesterday! I work in a hospital where we have been vaccinating staff for a few weeks. Slots are available to book at a rate of 75% clinical and 25% non clinical but patient/public contact and I managed to get one by fortunately/unfortunately still being in the office at 9:00pm when the slots were released for this week!
I feel great, sore arm which is actually pretty sore but no sign of the headache they said I would most likely have today. I can't wait until everyone who wants one has had one. It's a great feeling.
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Post by jojo on Jan 8, 2021 17:13:11 GMT
Well... I had the first dose yesterday! I work in a hospital where we have been vaccinating staff for a few weeks. Slots are available to book at a rate of 75% clinical and 25% non clinical but patient/public contact and I managed to get one by fortunately/unfortunately still being in the office at 9:00pm when the slots were released for this week! I feel great, sore arm which is actually pretty sore but no sign of the headache they said I would most likely have today. I can't wait until everyone who wants one has had one. It's a great feeling. Great news, and I'm glad side effects were negligible. It must be a strange kind of relief. Because you still have to be careful, but at least the end of extra anxiety is within touching distance.
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Post by kirstylovesmusicals on Jan 8, 2021 20:17:50 GMT
I, too have had my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine today. I feel ok, just sore and a little tired. But I have been working for 4 long days straight as a nurse! Hopi g they roll out the vaccine to everyone soon and then life can start to return to normal!
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Post by lynette on Jan 8, 2021 20:27:58 GMT
Great news that some of our guys here on the board are getting the jab!
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 8, 2021 23:50:14 GMT
Well... I had the first dose yesterday! I work in a hospital where we have been vaccinating staff for a few weeks. Slots are available to book at a rate of 75% clinical and 25% non clinical but patient/public contact and I managed to get one by fortunately/unfortunately still being in the office at 9:00pm when the slots were released for this week! I feel great, sore arm which is actually pretty sore but no sign of the headache they said I would most likely have today. I can't wait until everyone who wants one has had one. It's a great feeling. I, too have had my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine today. I feel ok, just sore and a little tired. But I have been working for 4 long days straight as a nurse! Hopi g they roll out the vaccine to everyone soon and then life can start to return to normal! Great news, NHS staff need to be done ASAP.
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Post by sophie92 on Jan 9, 2021 17:25:07 GMT
Had my first dose yesterday - my trust have started vaccinating all staff. So far, the only side effect I’ve had is a sore arm. Second dose booked in for 10 weeks’ time.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 11, 2021 11:04:25 GMT
24 hrs on and I'm still alive after receiving the vaccine. Colleagues and I have a very slight pain in the arm from the where the needle went in but apart from that all is good although we have noticed money from our bank accounts transferring to Microsoft...
It was refreshing to see so many colleagues all taking the vaccine. Thankfully I only work with a few anti vaxxers
The surgery was very well organised and no waiting time at all. Hats of to them.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 11, 2021 19:56:30 GMT
Have to say how quick we were to authorise this vaccines and how slow the EU were, it is an absolute gift to Brexiters.
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Post by TallPaul on Jan 12, 2021 18:21:20 GMT
When Mater had her jab last week, she couldn't understand why she was given, to take home with her, one of those foil blankets you see being worn by marathon runners. After three days of feeling freezing cold, despite the heating being on full, she now knows why.
Of course my brothers and I are relieved she's had shot number 1...we just wish the vaccine had been defrosted first. It's a wonder they could get it down the needle! 🙂
She should have gone in the very early days of the vaccination programme, on 15 December, but her appointment letter wasn't delivered, by hand, until the 17th.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2021 20:34:22 GMT
David Attenborough has had his jab too, which is why he is trending on Twitter.
Phew!
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