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Post by joem on Aug 20, 2020 20:42:28 GMT
I am so relieved. I thought we'd have to watch an eternity of silent movies.
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Post by poster J on Aug 21, 2020 11:38:05 GMT
I have also booked for Rachel Tucker and John Owen-Jones and am really looking forward to it. I'd be there in a heartbeat if it was feasible. Those two together, such stellar talents 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 It's on a livestream so surely feasible?
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Post by robertb213 on Aug 21, 2020 11:43:01 GMT
I'd be there in a heartbeat if it was feasible. Those two together, such stellar talents 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 It's on a livestream so surely feasible? I meant feasible to be in the room. Livestreams don't have anywhere near the same magic for me I'm afraid.
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Post by talkingheads on Aug 21, 2020 12:23:51 GMT
While it's brilliant that this is the case, it still doesn't answer the central question of how Dowden expects theatres to operate with social distancing.
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Post by robertb213 on Aug 21, 2020 16:52:46 GMT
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 22, 2020 10:49:38 GMT
I hope he’s not basing anything on the headline because it is massively misleading. The study says that talking or singing quietly, as you might in a one on one conversation, is minimal risk. As soon as you project, however, the risk is multiplied massively. In that situation then acting and singing are equal, yes, but equally dangerous. A study out of Boston University has reported their results on this in detail, finding similar results on volume. Both have the limitation that they tested one person at a time though, so scaling up hasn’t been looked at (probably unethical to do so). New guidelines say “However, these studies have indicated that it is the cumulative aerosol transmission from both those performing in and attending events that is likely to create risk. We are continuing to develop more detailed understanding of how to mitigate this potential aggregate risk.“.
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Post by zahidf on Aug 22, 2020 12:25:30 GMT
I hope he’s not basing anything on the headline because it is massively misleading. The study says that talking or singing quietly, as you might in a one on one conversation, is minimal risk. As soon as you project, however, the risk is multiplied massively. In that situation then acting and singing are equal, yes, but equally dangerous. A study out of Boston University has reported their results on this in detail, finding similar results on volume. Both have the limitation that they tested one person at a time though, so scaling up hasn’t been looked at (probably unethical to do so). New guidelines say “However, these studies have indicated that it is the cumulative aerosol transmission from both those performing in and attending events that is likely to create risk. We are continuing to develop more detailed understanding of how to mitigate this potential aggregate risk.“. Its a study the govt did, so I'd hope its not headline based..
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 22, 2020 16:49:18 GMT
I hope he’s not basing anything on the headline because it is massively misleading. The study says that talking or singing quietly, as you might in a one on one conversation, is minimal risk. As soon as you project, however, the risk is multiplied massively. In that situation then acting and singing are equal, yes, but equally dangerous. A study out of Boston University has reported their results on this in detail, finding similar results on volume. Both have the limitation that they tested one person at a time though, so scaling up hasn’t been looked at (probably unethical to do so). New guidelines say “However, these studies have indicated that it is the cumulative aerosol transmission from both those performing in and attending events that is likely to create risk. We are continuing to develop more detailed understanding of how to mitigate this potential aggregate risk.“. Its a study the govt did, so I'd hope its not headline based.. The preprint is here if people want to have a look at it - s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/itempdf74155353254prod/12789221/Comparing_the_Respirable_Aerosol_Concentrations_and_Particle_Size_Distributions_Generated_by_Singing__Speaking_and_Breat_v1.pdfThe following is interesting and. maybe, goes some way to explaining the seemingly random distribution of superspreading events. "We also find that a minority of participants emitted substantially more aerosols than others, sometimes more than an order of magnitude above the median, consistent with the long-tail of a log-normal distribution when viewed in linear-concentration space. This observation is consistent with a previous study. However, the highest emitters were not consistently the highest across all activities, suggesting the magnitude of emission from an individual may be highly activity specific. It is unclear why some participants emit substantially more than others, and further studies are required to better characterise the variability of aerosol emission across the population, as well as the consistency of emission from an individual over time."
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 27, 2020 13:10:41 GMT
My theatre group here in Oxford has just selected two plays to be performed as part of a mini season in November - audience capacity will be capped at 28... not easy to make the finances work but it is worth trying
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Post by zahidf on Aug 28, 2020 12:08:37 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Aug 28, 2020 13:53:36 GMT
I see that we are being encouraged to get back to working in the office, which involves commuting on public transport for most working in London.
I’m really baffled - how come it is apparently safe to spend 10 hours a week on enclosed commuter trains - where you are frequently breathing in each other’s faces - as long as you wear a mask, and yet not safe to sit in a theatre at usual capacity wearing a mask for a couple of hours?
How can it be safe to do my regular rush hour commute and yet not safe to sit in a theatre? I am physically much close to people on my commute for a lot longer and a lot more regularly.
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Post by theatreian on Aug 28, 2020 14:43:40 GMT
For those fans of 80's music The Fizz are performing at Lichfield Garrick in November , afternoon and evening. It's a performance and Q AND A . Have booked for the afternoon as it seems all laid out in socially distanced seating. www.lichfieldgarrick.com/whats-on/music/the-fizz/2546
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Post by talkingheads on Aug 28, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
I see that we are being encouraged to get back to working in the office, which involves commuting on public transport for most working in London. I’m really baffled - how come it is apparently safe to spend 10 hours a week on enclosed commuter trains - where you are frequently breathing in each other’s faces - as long as you wear a mask, and yet not safe to sit in a theatre at usual capacity wearing a mask for a couple of hours? How can it be safe to do my regular rush hour commute and yet not safe to sit in a theatre? I am physically much close to people on my commute for a lot longer and a lot more regularly. This is the turning point. Nobody who is being just as productive working from home will go back to commuting. Why would they?
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Post by londonpostie on Aug 28, 2020 16:51:27 GMT
I think there will be an interestng dynamic soon of new companies offering home working and lower overheads to clients so there will be downward pressure on fees. Huge changes for both retail space and office space.
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Post by zahidf on Aug 28, 2020 17:16:27 GMT
Battersea arts centre has a whole month of comedy
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Post by poster J on Aug 28, 2020 17:46:14 GMT
I see that we are being encouraged to get back to working in the office, which involves commuting on public transport for most working in London. I’m really baffled - how come it is apparently safe to spend 10 hours a week on enclosed commuter trains - where you are frequently breathing in each other’s faces - as long as you wear a mask, and yet not safe to sit in a theatre at usual capacity wearing a mask for a couple of hours? How can it be safe to do my regular rush hour commute and yet not safe to sit in a theatre? I am physically much close to people on my commute for a lot longer and a lot more regularly. This is the turning point. Nobody who is being just as productive working from home will go back to commuting. Why would they? Collaboration, social interaction, face to face meetings with clients...there are a myriad of reasons, particularly for those who have spent lockdown alone.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 28, 2020 19:10:01 GMT
Proms 2020 - First Night has just started
And a felt a little tear in my eye - to see the joy on the face of the conductor as he started the concert.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 28, 2020 19:53:20 GMT
Proms 2020 - First Night has just started And a felt a little tear in my eye - to see the joy on the face of the conductor as he started the concert. My eroica
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Post by talkingheads on Aug 28, 2020 22:55:36 GMT
This is the turning point. Nobody who is being just as productive working from home will go back to commuting. Why would they? Collaboration, social interaction, face to face meetings with clients...there are a myriad of reasons, particularly for those who have spent lockdown alone. True. But why waste so much money, either staff on commuting and businesses with office rent if people are just as productive from home?
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Post by poster J on Aug 29, 2020 12:12:23 GMT
Collaboration, social interaction, face to face meetings with clients...there are a myriad of reasons, particularly for those who have spent lockdown alone. True. But why waste so much money, either staff on commuting and businesses with office rent if people are just as productive from home? Clearly you don't understand, or haven't thought about, the mental health aspects of isolation. I don't think more really needs to be said than that given all it requires is a little bit of empathy and consideration, although to me at least it is rather evident that productivity at home will not remain high for all if some people are struggling mentally. Your mistake seems to be to put everyone in the same box when not everyone will actually be more productive at home or be able to cope. This is not a simple binary distinction.
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Post by talkingheads on Aug 29, 2020 12:30:42 GMT
True. But why waste so much money, either staff on commuting and businesses with office rent if people are just as productive from home? Clearly you don't understand, or haven't thought about, the mental health aspects of isolation. I don't think more really needs to be said than that given all it requires is a little bit of empathy and consideration, although to me at least it is rather evident that productivity at home will not remain high for all if some people are struggling mentally. Your mistake seems to be to put everyone in the same box when not everyone will actually be more productive at home or be able to cope. This is not a simple binary distinction. Oh I agree. What I don't agree with is the Government's insistence on everybody getting back to offices when there is no need. There should be a choice to either work in office or work from home.
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Post by zahidf on Aug 29, 2020 15:28:28 GMT
Clearly you don't understand, or haven't thought about, the mental health aspects of isolation. I don't think more really needs to be said than that given all it requires is a little bit of empathy and consideration, although to me at least it is rather evident that productivity at home will not remain high for all if some people are struggling mentally. Your mistake seems to be to put everyone in the same box when not everyone will actually be more productive at home or be able to cope. This is not a simple binary distinction. Oh I agree. What I don't agree with is the Government's insistence on everybody getting back to offices when there is no need. There should be a choice to either work in office or work from home. They can insist all they want. Companies and employees who want to WFH will tell them to piss off No ones going to spend hundreds of pounds, spend an extra 2 hours travelling and risk getting ill to save a Pret
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 29, 2020 21:59:21 GMT
Unless you job is especially niche, then if you work from home full time 5 days a week, then why can your job not be done in South Africa or India etc?
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Post by zahidf on Aug 29, 2020 23:00:47 GMT
Unless you job is especially niche, then if you work from home full time 5 days a week, then why can your job not be done in South Africa or India etc? Time zones. The middle management jobs also need a form of training and UK based component for the most part.
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 30, 2020 0:54:59 GMT
Not really
If you ring a help desk for Amazon, you are taken through to Philippines.
The organisation I work for, if we had I.T. issues, we used to speak to a desk in either The Canary Islands or Poland, but today it is done by a help desk in Cape Town, South Africa.
Many jobs that are done from home, can be done elsewhere but home.
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Post by The Matthew on Aug 30, 2020 4:42:09 GMT
Unless you job is especially niche, then if you work from home full time 5 days a week, then why can your job not be done in South Africa or India etc? It can be, However, smart managers know that there's nothing to be saved by doing that. You can get cheaper people by outsourcing to lower-paid countries, but you also have to take into account that the best people in those countries will be able to get the best jobs and will be able to move to the companies that pay higher wages. If you employ only lower-paid workers you're picking from a pool of people who aren't good enough to command better pay. About 20 years ago the last company I worked for had a huge project to complete and needed to expand for a while. There was no room in the office to put temporary staff so they used remote working, and because they were using remote working they could get staff from anywhere in the world and eventually engaged a Latvian company to handle it. They found they could get different levels of workers. They could get people for half the UK salary but they were only suited for repetitive, simple work and if they hit a problem they would just stop. To get people who would take ownership of their projects, solve problems, manage themselves and see the work through to completion they had to pay UK wages, and that's what they did. Unfortunately there are some managers who have a higher opinion of their own intelligence than is justified and a distinctly racist attitude that third-world workers aren't smart enough to realise how much they're worth. They think they're being really clever, but the Internet is full of stories of companies failing because they don't realise the low quality of the get-what-you-pay-for work until an immense amount of damage has been done. The good employees have their pick of all the companies in the world that employ remote workers and they're playing the market too, and it takes some managers a while to understand that they can't outsmart the poor ignorant third-worlders into turning in great work for almost nothing.
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Post by jaqs on Aug 30, 2020 8:32:45 GMT
Unless you job is especially niche, then if you work from home full time 5 days a week, then why can your job not be done in South Africa or India etc? Several people from the estate where I live in east London have moved to cheaper parts of the country. As one guy said he’s saving a grand a month on rent and getting a three bed house with garden rather than one bed flat. If I had the guarantee of another 6months to a year at home I’d consider it too.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 31, 2020 10:53:25 GMT
Unless you job is especially niche, then if you work from home full time 5 days a week, then why can your job not be done in South Africa or India etc? We have a whole office in India that works on exactly this principle - but we’ve had them for 10 years. We still need some people in the U.K. and US to work for some clients, though now there are far fewer of us.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 1, 2020 10:21:35 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 1, 2020 10:37:07 GMT
Thanks for sharing. Bubble sounds great
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