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Post by anthony40 on Jun 22, 2020 8:56:27 GMT
According to a tweet by Baz, Judy Craymer is thinking about a MM!3 Movie.
If there is, I'd be excited. I loved both films (personally I thought the second was better than the first) and having just been to the museum in Stockholm about two weeks before lockdown commenced, I for one can never get enough of ABBA.
I would also be interesting to see where they go in terms of the storylines for each character and what new characters (and actors) they'd introduce.
In fact my current profile pic is of me sitting in the helicopter from the Arrival album at the museum.
***Don't know if that is the title, or indeed a working title. I just made that up****
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 10:27:01 GMT
I’d welcome a 3rd act though I’m not sure where it could go. I suppose they’d need to base it around Sophie and Skye’s wedding because, you know, movie law. In terms of songs it’s an interesting position because ABBA have recorded new music and rumours of a new album persist - opening up a few more possibilities for a third film.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 11:15:20 GMT
I'm intrigued, but for me Lily James was the best part of the second film (which I agree was better than the first), and I'm not sure how they could create a storyline to include her and the rest of the younger cast. It would be a shame if they weren't in it.
I'm less bothered about any further attempt to shoehorn Meryl into the film...
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 22, 2020 11:30:53 GMT
I'm intrigued, but for me Lily James was the best part of the second film (which I agree was better than the first), and I'm not sure how they could create a storyline to include her and the rest of the younger cast. It would be a shame if they weren't in it. I'm less bothered about any further attempt to shoehorn Meryl into the film... it's interesting that you should say that. We know that Donna met both Tanya and Rise at school to form The Dynamos but perhaps this could show how the each individually met, thus the younger girls still remain. Apparently Meryl is known for not doing sequels, yet she did this; and it was a very tender and moving part of the film with a beautiful song- albeit with some changes to the lyrics. Would it focus on Sophie and Sky raising their child? Would Cher return as she has now committed to 'being a Grandmother'. I guess only time would tell. As much of an ABBA fan as I am, I couldn't see this extending beyond a third film whilst maintaining the standard set from the last film. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 11:55:24 GMT
There’s still a gap between Sophie being born and MM1 that could be explored with Lily James I suppose, and even shoehorn Meryl back in by flashing back to a time between MM1 and MM2. Maybe they can explore and explain why Donna thought her mother was dead in MM1 but is very much alive in MM2? You know, other than being a retcon lol.
I suppose it depends when it gets made. Give it another 10 years and there’s no reason why they couldn’t just go further into the future and have Sophie’s son as a 20 year old - Amanda and Dominic will be in their 40s/50s then. Make it a generational story like The Godfather ha.
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Post by Jon on Jun 22, 2020 11:59:33 GMT
I’m not sure we need another Mamma Mia film, I would rather have an ABBA biopic.
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Post by justfran on Jun 22, 2020 12:01:54 GMT
Another big ABBA fan here! I love both Mamma Mia films, they are such feel-good films and I don’t really have a preference as there’s things I love (and dislike) in both. There’s still lots of classic songs that haven’t been used yet including a couple of my favourites - Eagle and Summer Night City. I would rather see Lily James back as Donna than Meryl Streep. The new film could maybe go back and forth between Donna and Sophie each bringing up their young child on the island.
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 22, 2020 12:04:09 GMT
I’m not sure we need another Mamma Mia film, I would rather have an ABBA biopic. It is my understanding that neither Benny or Bjorn have no interest in such a venture. |
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Post by Jon on Jun 22, 2020 12:10:30 GMT
I’m not sure we need another Mamma Mia film, I would rather have an ABBA biopic. It is my understanding that neither Benny or Bjorn have no interest in such a venture. It would be interesting to see who they would cast in a hypothetical biopic, I’m not sure who would play Benny or Frida but I’ve always envisioned Florence Plugh as Agnetha and Bill Skarsgard as Bjorn, |
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Post by justfran on Jun 22, 2020 12:11:19 GMT
I’m not sure we need another Mamma Mia film, I would rather have an ABBA biopic. It is my understanding that neither Benny or Bjorn have no interest in such a venture. As much as I’d be interested to watch this if it was ever made, I can’t see a Biopic as a likely option. ABBA have such a strong image and I can’t think that I’d be able to watch a film and realistically accept that any actors could portray them believably. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 12:39:20 GMT
I think a biop would only work as an origin story, rather than a ‘rise and fall’ story, which would basically be ABBA music set to their marriage breakdowns that frankly, is pretty depressing (especially as they haven’t done a full reunion that would allow such a movie to end on a high).
An origin story taking them to their Eurovision win would work though, as we all know what happened next and is probably more palatable a story for ABBA themselves to get behind.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 22, 2020 17:20:00 GMT
A lot of the Abba catalogue that hasn't been used so far won't really sit comfortably in a musical comedy romance setting. I can't see them agreeing to let their new Abba material be used by anyone else for quite a few years, so Judy Craymer will have a long wait, by which time...Meryl and Cher will be hurtling towards 80
An Abba biopic has always been dismissed by all four members and that won't likely change. If an early years approach were taken, Agnetha's songbook is an unexplored source of material that has never been translated into English and is as strong musically as anything Benny and Bjorn wrote at the time. Don't know how wide its appeal would be though.
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Post by danb on Jun 28, 2020 8:09:25 GMT
The second film just dropped onto Netflix and it’s a lot better than I remembered. It is so honestly emotional, and the ‘My Love, My Life’ scene is a perfect wrapping up of the story arc. Any next film needs to move away from it.
There are so many excellent untouched songs still; especially off the last three albums and their extras. I’d happily write it for them myself, move it off an island and hit the city.
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 28, 2020 10:06:58 GMT
Depending on how the storyline flows I can see no reason why the songs So Long, Under Attack, The Day Before You Came, Eagle, On and On and On and The Visitors cannot be included in the next film. Introduce a new female character and you could include Cassandra or Elaine.
As great as the second film was I just can't help but think there were one or two missed opportunities for songs.
There is a shot where the helicopter carrying Cher is shown flyng to the party. They could have played Arrival.
And when Rosie and Tanya first meet Andy Garcia's character Fernando Cienfuegos, as there is humorous dialogue, they could have underscored Put on your White Sombrero.
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Post by Mark on Jun 28, 2020 10:16:59 GMT
Also watched the second film the other night having watched the first earlier in the week. Really do love it. Wouldn't be against a third but I'm not sure where else the story can go.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 28, 2020 10:29:33 GMT
Which songs would they use? My favourite ABBA song is Intermezzo No 1 but I'm not sure how they'd use it. Also I bet they'll have a character called Helen just so they can use Hey Hey Helen. The thought of the context in which they would use Dum Dum Diddle makes me laugh.
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Post by danb on Jun 28, 2020 10:35:52 GMT
I was thinking more about Summer Night City, I am The City, The Visitors, Lovers, Day Before You Came, If It Wasn’t For The Nights. I’d set it in NYC. Maybe Sophie & Sky have now moved there and are struggling to find a groove.
Great shout about using Arrival over Cher’s helicopter arrival, what a missed opportunity.
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 28, 2020 12:50:12 GMT
Good thinking danb however I find it difficult to believe that they would relocate the main setting away from Greece.
Given that the original stage show (and subsequent film) was set in Greece. The second filmed focused on why Donna went to Greece and so the setting has almost and intricate part of the storyline.
I would like to be proven wrong though.
Depending on when it is set- the past or the present- I could see the ghost of Donna making a return 'Like An Angel Passing Through My Room'
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 28, 2020 17:42:35 GMT
I really wish ABBA would get on and release the new songs. Apart from the fact it would cheer up a lot of people, they've been teasing the tracks for years.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 28, 2020 20:26:21 GMT
Watching MM2 on Netflix (thanks for the heads up above).
Wow. Absolutely dire. No more, please.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 28, 2020 22:24:18 GMT
Watching MM2 on Netflix (thanks for the heads up above). Wow. Absolutely dire. No more, please. I'd say that about the first one, the second is so much better! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 23:21:51 GMT
I really wish ABBA would get on and release the new songs. Apart from the fact it would cheer up a lot of people, they've been teasing the tracks for years. Me too. I get why they were initially delayed (ABBAtars getting delayed then cancelled) but I really hope the rumours of them expanding the project into a full album are true. |
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 29, 2020 10:28:09 GMT
Watching MM2 on Netflix (thanks for the heads up above). Wow. Absolutely dire. No more, please. I'd say that about the first one, the second is so much better! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I agree, the second film is so much better that the first, in every way.
Ok, there is the familiarity with the actors in the roles, but even from a production point of view it's better. Better directed. Better cinematography.
Whereas with the first the combination of Meryl and ABBA, the familiarity with the songs (plus the stage show) was the main attraction, in the second that have created a new storyline that sits comfortable next to the first and seamlessly goes back and forth in time.
They managed to salvage a song featured in the stage show but was not included in the first film- One of Us- and used it as a feature song which shows the strain on the relationship between Sophie and Sky.
The second film also answer a lot of questions left open from the first film;
Donna's mother, who is she and why she's never there. How Donna got to Greece How Donna met each of the (possibly) three fathers Where Sophie and Skye's relationship is What happened to Bill and Tanya's relationship We get to meet Bill's Aunt Sophia, referred to in the first film
To give just a few examples
The second film also tapped into a broad range of back catalogue songs- Andante! Andante! is a good example of that.
And some of the song choices are so well placed and really tug at the heartstrings. Slipping Through My Fingers is a gorgeous song and is perfectly placed within the storyline of the first film where as I've Been Waiting For You and especially My Love, My Life in the second film have more of an impact and, for some people, reduced them to tears.
I personally know of a big bulky rugby playing guy who was left just sobbing.
Also, the attention to detail in terms of costumes, hair, make-up and physical gestures/movement made us as the audience instantly recognise the young Tanya, Rosie, Sam, Harry and Sam. Damn, even he speaks the guy playing the young Sam even sounds like Pierce Brosnan!
Speaking of Pierce Brosnan, he just seems so much more into it in the second film as the first. Especially in the whole Mamma Mia! dance routine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
]The second film also answer a lot of questions left open from the first film; Donna's mother, who is she and why she's never there. That was never a question - she’s dead, and Donna says as much in the first film. Total retcon because... well, Cher. |
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Post by sf on Jun 29, 2020 15:24:05 GMT
My Love, My Life in the second film have more of an impact and, for some people, reduced them to tears. More than once. It reduced me to tears in the cinema - and then more recently, watching it on television, it reduced me to absolute wreckage... which I should have anticptated, because as it happens it's the last film I saw in a cinema with my mother before she died (I did go to the theatre with her a couple of times after that, before she became completely housebound). I can pick all kinds of holes in the film, but that scene in the chapel is a knockout. It's beautifully played by all three women, and I find it very, very moving indeed. |
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