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Post by xanady on May 26, 2020 21:40:02 GMT
Just seen most of the press front pages for tomorrow.Has the DC story moved on? Absolutely not!
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Post by talkingheads on May 26, 2020 21:48:36 GMT
Not a sentence I ever thought I'd write but well done Daily Star, outstanding front page.
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Post by xanady on May 26, 2020 22:06:59 GMT
We now officially have a laughing stock govt...Laura Kuennsberg reckons 4 cabinet ministers want DC out and over 40 Tory MP’s are set against him remaining.All other issues have been buried by this one story.
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Post by talkingheads on May 26, 2020 22:12:02 GMT
I honestly think Boris could go over this. It's obviously selling papers and as long as it is the papers will keep leading with it, keeping it fresh in people's minds. The pressure can only build so high.
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Post by kathryn on May 26, 2020 22:15:05 GMT
Cummings' ego and Boris enslavement to it is the real reason this story, this huge, dangerous distraction in the midst of a pandemic, lumbers on. Indeed, this story is as much about Johnson’s woeful lack of decisive leadership as it is about his advisor’s behaviour. When the advisor becomes the story, when they detract from the ability of their boss to do the job of leading the country, the advisor had to go. Regardless of whether their actual behaviour was justified or not. That Johnson cannot follow this cast-iron rule of politics is a sign of his weakness.
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Post by zahidf on May 26, 2020 22:15:06 GMT
8% of people believe the eyesight excuse for the castle drive:-)
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Post by vdcni on May 26, 2020 22:52:46 GMT
Wow that poll is brutal and clearly the story has cut through if even the Daily Star is leading on it.
So much for the no one cares outside of the Westminster bubble line.
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Post by paddy72 on May 26, 2020 23:27:54 GMT
Good Radio 4 documentary tonight tracing back the origins of coronavirus in the UK. It puts the blame right on the government for not shutting down all the major sporting fixtures much much sooner. At the time the govt and it’s advisors did not consider them a close contact risk. Mad. Have they never been to a match. In particular Mapping now shows the huge impact of Cheltenham Gold Cup which still took place after the WHO declared a global pandemic and the Athletica Liverpool match that still went ahead as Spain went into lockdown and Madrid was even offering travelling supporters refunds on travel costs to the match. Interestingly Boris was also as the Twickenham rugby match along with other MPs the weekend before. The government knew the risks of these events and still didn’t shut them down.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 6:35:23 GMT
Lol if you want to find evidence at all the ‘stupid’ people breaking the rules before DC then you don’t have to look very far from this thread....
I remember when we were allowed an hours exercise a day and the amount of well respected contributors to this forum discussing the hours and hours of cycling they were getting done in the empty streets of London or the several hours of country walks they were doing a day justifying it by saying they got up early so less people around.
Pretty sure you just have to look in thread from a couple of months ago to find all the people that were happy to share when the rules didn’t apply to them.....
However, of course, they ain’t (prob) a moral authority in this country so the hypocrisy doesn’t taste as disgusting as when it’s coming out of ‘their’ mouths
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Post by The Matthew on May 27, 2020 6:43:16 GMT
I remember when we were allowed an hours exercise a day and the amount of well respected contributors to this forum discussing the hours and hours of cycling they were getting done in the empty streets of London or the several hours of country walks they were doing a day justifying it by saying they got up early so less people around. Where do you get the idea we were only allowed an hour of exercise? Some people may have claimed that was a reasonable time, but it's what the law says that matters: Section 6 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 (1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need— ... (b) to take exercise— (i) alone, (ii) with one or more members of their household, or (iii) with one member of another household;
(ba) to visit a public open space for the purposes of open-air recreation to promote their physical or mental health or emotional wellbeing— (i) alone, (ii) with one or more members of their household, or (iii) with one member of another household;
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 27, 2020 6:49:41 GMT
Did you see Gove on LBC yesterday. Started a sentence with 'I have driven before to test eyes...' paused and the presenter said 'I would love to hear how you are going to get out of this one'.
He he
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Post by kathryn on May 27, 2020 9:10:47 GMT
betty you are confusing the general lockdown advice about exercise with the isolation rules. The former were a lot more flexible than the latter, for very good reason. Exercise within your local area was explicitly allowed - the hour limit was a suggestion to try and avoid parks etc becoming crowded. If you could socially distance effectively you could exercise for longer than that. The isolation rules for households where anyone was symptomatic were absolute, and the advice was for non-symptomatic members of the household to socially distance within the house. Sitting in a car together for hours was in itself ignoring the guidelines.
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Post by vdcni on May 27, 2020 9:29:09 GMT
Did you see Gove on LBC yesterday. Started a sentence with 'I have driven before to test eyes...' paused and the presenter said 'I would love to hear how you are going to get out of this one'. He he You see I get that it's funny in an absurdist way but to me that just sums up the real horror of this situation. People have died alone and people have been trapped alone dealing with grief, unable to get even a comforting hug from family and then a cabinet minister is happy to go on the radio and knowingly bullsh*t like this, actually suggest you would go driving to test your eye sight. Even if you accept Cumming's exceptional circumstances line that required him to drive to Durham potentially spreading the virus, and I don't, I don't see how you can accept how the government have chosen to handle this, to lie and rewrite history all to save one government adviser. They've made it so clear how little they think of us, how little our lives matter. And in the middle of the biggest global health crisis in a century where trust and civic duty matter more than ever.
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Post by vickyg on May 27, 2020 9:41:56 GMT
Lol if you want to find evidence at all the ‘stupid’ people breaking the rules before DC then you don’t have to look very far from this thread.... I remember when we were allowed an hours exercise a day and the amount of well respected contributors to this forum discussing the hours and hours of cycling they were getting done in the empty streets of London or the several hours of country walks they were doing a day justifying it by saying they got up early so less people around. Pretty sure you just have to look in thread from a couple of months ago to find all the people that were happy to share when the rules didn’t apply to them..... However, of course, they ain’t (prob) a moral authority in this country so the hypocrisy doesn’t taste as disgusting as when it’s coming out of ‘their’ mouths Wow. As others have said the rules were around one period of outside exercise. The reference to an hour came from Michael Gove saying he 'would have thought' that about an hour would be appropriate depending on a person's fitness level. That was in no way part of the rules, it was clearly a suggestion and reference to it was as a result of repeating what Michael Gove said rather than reiterating it as a rule.
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Post by adolphus on May 27, 2020 11:01:22 GMT
Tobias Ellwood and another MP who called for Cummings to go have been excluded from tonight's meeting of the Liaison Committee, no doubt on Cummings' orders.
More than even Brexit, this government will be defined by and judged on its (mis)handling of the pandemic, and although the Cummings story will fade from the headlines, it will forever be among the controversies surrounding their response
It's not going to go away, and a lot of Tory MPS who are hoping it will may well regret their silence come the next election campaign
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Post by Latecomer on May 27, 2020 11:01:51 GMT
I think it is ironic that Dominic Cummings basically stirred up people during Vote Leave to make it ok for people to voice populist hate against minorities......and now the mob have turned on him he doesn’t like it. He helped make our society a nastier place (in my opinion, I concede not everyone will agree) and now he doesn’t like the nastiness being directed at him.
He should go.
On a side note the Range Rover has automatic tracking (same model helped nail the Crossbow murderer in Anglesey despite the man destroying the car!...google it) so it should be quite easy to check if he’s telling the truth and if he did fill the car with petrol somewhere....It would also be ironic if the big brother data led to his downfall wouldn’t it....
More importantly where is our sensible track trace and isolate system and how do local lockdowns work if you are allowed to travel for childcare?
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Post by londonpostie on May 27, 2020 11:16:28 GMT
Of course he stopped for petrol, of course his wife went in to pay - with cash, of course they turned their phones off (tracking), of course the trip to the Barnard Castle area was a treat on his wife's birthday, of course he was unlucky the old guy recognised him and wrote down the car reg.
We know it's all bollox. What the fuss is about it what it says about 'their' contempt or us per se, and also the lack of respect and regard for the sacrifices everyone made. That is the point.
Fwiw, none of this attitude is new. It's the way of an entire class of people, and unless you have met and experienced that culture you would not believe the callousness. Look at Rees-Mogg's slip about the residents at Grenfell, he just let his guard down for a moment. What we are seeing from Cummings and Johnson is - briefly revealed - the heady cocktail of exposed privilege and entitlement, is all.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 27, 2020 12:35:13 GMT
I think it is ironic that Dominic Cummings basically stirred up people during Vote Leave to make it ok for people to voice populist hate against minorities......and now the mob have turned on him he doesn’t like it. He helped make our society a nastier place (in my opinion, I concede not everyone will agree) and now he doesn’t like the nastiness being directed at him. He should go. On a side note the Range Rover has automatic tracking (same model helped nail the Crossbow murderer in Anglesey despite the man destroying the car!...google it) so it should be quite easy to check if he’s telling the truth and if he did fill the car with petrol somewhere....It would also be ironic if the big brother data led to his downfall wouldn’t it.... More importantly where is our sensible track trace and isolate system and how do local lockdowns work if you are allowed to travel for childcare? You must pass 50 ANPR cameras up the A1 or M1. In my mind Cummings has wiped the cameras like all the nasty people do on those detective films and tv programmes
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Post by xanady on May 27, 2020 13:45:28 GMT
Radio 4’s The World At One reporting that the police are being told by the public that they are ignoring lockdown from now on because of DC’s actions...ten days from now we are facing a second spike unless people follow the rules.
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Post by zahidf on May 27, 2020 13:55:15 GMT
Radio 4’s The World At One reporting that the police are being told by the public that they are ignoring lockdown from now on because of DC’s actions...ten days from now we are facing a second spike unless people follow the rules. Boris feels its a price worth paying to save Dominic Cummings career.
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Post by The Matthew on May 27, 2020 14:15:46 GMT
Boris feels its a price worth paying to save Dominic Cummings career. He must be an incredibly good advisor. Shame he didn't offer advice on what to do when some cretinous dingbat creates a crisis in the government that could easily have been solved with an apology but was escalated into a PR disaster by dissembling and evasion.
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Post by xanady on May 27, 2020 14:24:17 GMT
Well said,The Matthew...a simple heartfelt apology would have helped considerably but instead this story is rumbling on and on
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Post by zahidf on May 27, 2020 14:25:15 GMT
Boris: 'Cummings career is more important than your nan'
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 27, 2020 14:28:28 GMT
Boris feels its a price worth paying to save Dominic Cummings career. He must be an incredibly good advisor. Shame he didn't offer advice on what to do when some cretinous dingbat creates a crisis in the government that could easily have been solved with an apology but was escalated into a PR disaster by dissembling and evasion. Cummings is that great we have the second 'greatest' death rate in the world. Yes. He's really worth hanging onto
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Post by intoanewlife on May 27, 2020 14:44:38 GMT
He must be an incredibly good advisor. Shame he didn't offer advice on what to do when some cretinous dingbat creates a crisis in the government that could easily have been solved with an apology but was escalated into a PR disaster by dissembling and evasion. Cummings is that great we have the second 'greatest' death rate in the world. Yes. He's really worth hanging onto He saved the offshore accounts of every millionaire/billionaire in Britain, that's all they care about.
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Post by lynette on May 27, 2020 14:47:44 GMT
Good Radio 4 documentary tonight tracing back the origins of coronavirus in the UK. It puts the blame right on the government for not shutting down all the major sporting fixtures much much sooner. At the time the govt and it’s advisors did not consider them a close contact risk. Mad. Have they never been to a match. In particular Mapping now shows the huge impact of Cheltenham Gold Cup which still took place after the WHO declared a global pandemic and the Athletica Liverpool match that still went ahead as Spain went into lockdown and Madrid was even offering travelling supporters refunds on travel costs to the match. Interestingly Boris was also as the Twickenham rugby match along with other MPs the weekend before. The government knew the risks of these events and still didn’t shut them down. This certainly annoys me ( amongst other things ) but look at how the racing industry is asking for races to start - all about the money, the betting, the gambling. Not sport. They could easily run some athletics within a closed stadium. Easier than some other sports. But do people bet on them? Not so much. Cheltenham was a massive mistake and probably killed many people, older punters especially. As for the football. Wow, how they have stepped up as an industry to support us...sorry, irony doesn’t work well on t’internet.
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Post by talkingheads on May 27, 2020 15:08:16 GMT
Boris doubling down on his defence, he reckons an independent enquiry wouldn't be a good use of time.
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Post by talkingheads on May 27, 2020 15:25:51 GMT
This Liason Committee is glorious. The PM digging his own grave deeper and deeper with clear, consice questions and his usual blather in response making him.lok weaker by the second.
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Post by intoanewlife on May 27, 2020 15:42:27 GMT
This Liason Committee is glorious. The PM digging his own grave deeper and deeper with clear, consice questions and his usual blather in response making him.lok weaker by the second. Is there a fridge handy he can hide in?
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Post by talkingheads on May 27, 2020 15:46:03 GMT
This Liason Committee is glorious. The PM digging his own grave deeper and deeper with clear, consice questions and his usual blather in response making him.lok weaker by the second. Is there a fridge handy he can hide in? This is the worst performance I've ever seen by a politician on television and that includes when one was replaced by a tub of lard on Have I Got News For You
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