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Post by basdfg on Jul 18, 2020 11:05:26 GMT
I bet we go back to hospital only with care homes only reported via ONS figures.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 18, 2020 11:26:24 GMT
It all comes down to excess deaths that Political posturing will not make go away.
If the COVID deaths proportion reduces then we have an increase in the deaths from other routine treatable diseases that were impacted by the reduction in hospital and GP services.
All the Government are doing is moving the deck chairs but the ONS excess deaths above 5yr average will not go away.
There are already murmurings that the COVID strategy has increased treatable deaths and may be better for the Government if the numbers remain hidden in the COVID figures.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 18, 2020 11:30:23 GMT
It all comes down to excess deaths that Political posturing will not make go away. If the COVID deaths proportion reduces then we have an increase in the deaths from other routine treatable diseases that were impacted by the reduction in hospital and GP services. All the Government are doing is moving the deck chairs but the ONS excess deaths above 5yr average will not go away. There are already murmurings that the COVID strategy has increased treatable deaths and may be better for the Government if the numbers remain hidden in the COVID figures. Through if excess deaths go to monthly or quarterly announcing it might be a long time to notice. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 18, 2020 11:42:41 GMT
basdfg time is what there is as there won’t be a General Election for 4yrs and by that time the full extent of the strategy will be known. The first barometer of public feeling will be the local elections next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 12:13:04 GMT
There are already murmurings that the COVID strategy has increased treatable deaths and may be better for the Government if the numbers remain hidden in the COVID figures. That’s the line the far right ‘keep Britain free’ types are screaming about. The impact of lockdown on excess deaths would have seen numbers stable and rising but they did the opposite, excess deaths tracking acknowledged COVID deaths. As for the long term treatments that were delayed, they wouldn’t be showing up for a while now, even if they did have an effect. Unsurprising the gaslighting is going on now, just when they want to get people into the shops and workplaces. Why the excess? We already know, through the care home crisis, that lack of testing leading to undercounting was routine, our wider pathetic testing effort and its unreliability is therefore likely similar. Now why would Hancock want to deflect from that? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 18, 2020 16:33:40 GMT
It all comes down to excess deaths that Political posturing will not make go away. If the COVID deaths proportion reduces then we have an increase in the deaths from other routine treatable diseases that were impacted by the reduction in hospital and GP services. All the Government are doing is moving the deck chairs but the ONS excess deaths above 5yr average will not go away. There are already murmurings that the COVID strategy has increased treatable deaths and may be better for the Government if the numbers remain hidden in the COVID figures. Through if excess deaths go to monthly or quarterly announcing it might be a long time to notice. Regularly reporting negative excess deaths rates now. Really hard to work out isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 18:19:57 GMT
Does anyone know of a site that has a map of recent cases only? (linked from here), but if anything it's far too detailed. It shows cases down to a very local level and suppresses very low values (2 or lower new cases per week) so most of the map is blank. I'd have preferred to see grouping by larger areas, but it's still interesting and valuable for revealing the remaining hotspots. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 18:44:12 GMT
Does anyone know of a site that has a map of recent cases only? (linked from here), but if anything it's far too detailed. It shows cases down to a very local level and suppresses very low values (2 or lower new cases per week) so most of the map is blank. I'd have preferred to see grouping by larger areas, but it's still interesting and valuable for revealing the remaining hotspots. Another way of looking at it is via the Zoe app where people signed up to report symptoms. Over time it’s proved to be an accurate guide to where case rise and fall. As my local paper helpfully proclaimed this week, ‘in the top twenty!’. A couple of weeks ago the numbers on there were doubling week on week, so that was no surprise to me. covid.joinzoe.com/data |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 18, 2020 20:39:43 GMT
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 18, 2020 20:52:19 GMT
I managed to find one (linked from here), but if anything it's far too detailed. It shows cases down to a very local level and suppresses very low values (2 or lower new cases per week) so most of the map is blank. I'd have preferred to see grouping by larger areas, but it's still interesting and valuable for revealing the remaining hotspots. Another way of looking at it is via the Zoe app where people signed up to report symptoms. Over time it’s proved to be an accurate guide to where case rise and fall. As my local paper helpfully proclaimed this week, ‘in the top twenty!’. A couple of weeks ago the numbers on there were doubling week on week, so that was no surprise to me. covid.joinzoe.com/dataThanks both for those. Quite reassuring for where I live, not too bad for London, & I certainly won't be going north! |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 18, 2020 23:21:12 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 19, 2020 0:09:43 GMT
Libraries gave us power
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 19, 2020 9:18:19 GMT
On Friday I flew to Barcelona. BA decided to feed the entire plane mid-flight so all our masks came off. Eh?
I am now in Sitges having a gay old time. Everyone here wears a mask and when you take it off at a bar, restaurant or the beach you generally wear it on your arm like an armband. If you don't wear a mask a €600 fine
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Post by basdfg on Jul 19, 2020 9:44:19 GMT
TFL are outright lying by showing footage of buses full of mask wearing knowing full well usage on a bus is usually around 50%.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 19, 2020 21:32:27 GMT
I think it's quite possible the movement to ban Tik Tok will be a serious political isue - obviously the virus is only one of several reasons China is seen to deserve to be sanctioned but it's probably the one which resonates with the public the most - and to try and ban something popular with the non political it will get very dirty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 13:57:49 GMT
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Post by basdfg on Jul 20, 2020 14:13:43 GMT
Now on to the second stage where testing is expanded to the USA and Brazil - our cases are now too low for the next stage (Where they wiil test to see if prevents infection when the person comes into contact with the virus.) to held entirely here. I am not sure exactly how long they need but I imagine at least a couple of months as the BBC mentions they also need to check stuff regarding how long the vaccine lasts for. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 20, 2020 14:20:20 GMT
I assume while a vaccine is the best shot for normality, more treatment will be discovered that will help in the interim. |
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Post by sf on Jul 20, 2020 14:23:40 GMT
I assume while a vaccine is the best shot for normality, more treatment will be discovered that will help in the interim. Promising news on that front today as well: "The treatment from Southampton-based biotech Synairgen uses a protein called interferon beta which the body produces when it gets a viral infection.
The protein is inhaled directly into the lungs of patients with coronavirus, using a nebuliser, in the hope that it will stimulate an immune response.
The initial findings suggest the treatment cut the odds of a Covid-19 patient in hospital developing severe disease - such as requiring ventilation - by 79%."
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Post by basdfg on Jul 20, 2020 14:58:54 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 20, 2020 15:01:27 GMT
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 20, 2020 15:08:39 GMT
There are already murmurings that the COVID strategy has increased treatable deaths and may be better for the Government if the numbers remain hidden in the COVID figures. That’s the line the far right ‘keep Britain free’ types are screaming about. The impact of lockdown on excess deaths would have seen numbers stable and rising but they did the opposite, excess deaths tracking acknowledged COVID deaths. As for the long term treatments that were delayed, they wouldn’t be showing up for a while now, even if they did have an effect. Unsurprising the gaslighting is going on now, just when they want to get people into the shops and workplaces. Why the excess? We already know, through the care home crisis, that lack of testing leading to undercounting was routine, our wider pathetic testing effort and its unreliability is therefore likely similar. Now why would Hancock want to deflect from that? Woah, sweeping generalisation there.
You are very much mistaken if you think all "Keep Britain Free" or End Lockdown advocates are far right!!!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 20, 2020 20:34:13 GMT
That’s the line the far right ‘keep Britain free’ types are screaming about. The impact of lockdown on excess deaths would have seen numbers stable and rising but they did the opposite, excess deaths tracking acknowledged COVID deaths. As for the long term treatments that were delayed, they wouldn’t be showing up for a while now, even if they did have an effect. Unsurprising the gaslighting is going on now, just when they want to get people into the shops and workplaces. Why the excess? We already know, through the care home crisis, that lack of testing leading to undercounting was routine, our wider pathetic testing effort and its unreliability is therefore likely similar. Now why would Hancock want to deflect from that? Woah, sweeping generalisation there.
You are very much mistaken if you think all "Keep Britain Free" or End Lockdown advocates are far right!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 2:04:39 GMT
That’s the line the far right ‘keep Britain free’ types are screaming about. The impact of lockdown on excess deaths would have seen numbers stable and rising but they did the opposite, excess deaths tracking acknowledged COVID deaths. As for the long term treatments that were delayed, they wouldn’t be showing up for a while now, even if they did have an effect. Unsurprising the gaslighting is going on now, just when they want to get people into the shops and workplaces. Why the excess? We already know, through the care home crisis, that lack of testing leading to undercounting was routine, our wider pathetic testing effort and its unreliability is therefore likely similar. Now why would Hancock want to deflect from that? Woah, sweeping generalisation there.
You are very much mistaken if you think all "Keep Britain Free" or End Lockdown advocates are far right!!!
It’s a large proportion but, for the former, joined by the all purpose anti-vaxxer idiots and sundry anti-state cranks. Click on their profiles to see what they post and retweet and you get the drift. I was accused of being part of the 77th brigade, which was news to me. I had to google it but it’s boilerplate conspiracy theorist nonsense. As for anti lockdown there’s a whole age thing going on plus as a big difference in terms of approach to risk, meaning a lot of younger people with social motives and people who want things, so it’s less politically motivated at the grassroots level. |
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